Iv heard a lot about this symbol. Personaly i belive it doesnt have the "Satanic" meaning as some do. I have heard that it represents St.Peter being crucified on the upside down cross to show that he wasnt as worth as Jesus. What do you think? Are there any other religions(im not refering to the pro satan religions) that use the upside down cross?

Thanks

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A cross is an occult symbol, it represents the interaction between two elements, the active and the passive, positive and negative, etc.

The vertical line represents the active/positive element. The horizontal - the passive/negative element. If the horizontal line divides the vertical into two equal parts, such cross means balance.

Christians use the cross with horizontal line closer to the top of the vertical line. This cross represents the domination of head over the body and of spirit over the substance.

The upside down cross means domanation of flesh over mind and substance over the spirit.

Satanism is the only religion using the upside down cross as far as I know.

... these symbols existed long before Christ and St. Paul.

St. Paul chose to be crucified in that way for he didn't want to be killed like Jesus.

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damn good answer!

i would only disagree with that satanism is the only religion useing an upside down cross.

there are quite a few who use it when needed

quote:Originally posted by Avril Lavigne:

i would only disagree with that satanism is the only religion useing an upside down cross.

No, you wouldn't, I said Satanism is the only religion I know that uses this cross, and I didn't lie http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

I think we might be over-analyzing the significance of the cross, as far as the Christian perspective is concerned...just a little.

In my opinion, the cross is merely viewed as a reminder to Christians to be thankful for Christ's death. To view it as anything else would be considered idolatry, which Christianity essentially abhors.

It is a probable misconception that it is a symbol that is worshipped, or that represents something more than is intended. (since many who follow Christianity and it's many derivatives, wear the cross on their bodies, and display it in their homes) As I said already, it is merely a reminder to us that we have MUCH to be thankful for...the ultimate price for our sins was paid, in full.

Here is what I found:

http://www.exposingsatanism.org/signsymbols.htm

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/sataniccross.html

It is up to us what symbols mean. Nothing in reality has any meaning, besides what humans apply to it.

Symbolism is a human creation - like God.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

In my opinion, the cross is merely viewed as a reminder to Christians to be thankful for Christ's death. To view it as anything else would be considered idolatry, which Christianity essentially abhors.

I do not get how the symbol can be considered to be idolatry.

This symbol had existed long before Christ was born, to treat it only as Christian symbol would be as wrong as to treat swastika as nazi symbol.

Conversions of Northern pagans was made easier by taking our Hammer of Thor and making a series of subtle changes to turn it into a cross.

I always wanted to take a crucifix statue from a Catholic church or something, turn it upside down, and decapitate the head so that it looks like a Thor's Hammer again.

SST

post some norse symbols tyrant, im interested.

Peter was crucified upside down becuase he felt that he was nowhere close to jesus, so he didn't even wanna die like him.

and yes crosses have been used for centuries before christ, however i doubt they were created just out of thors hammer.

also, it just happened to be the method the romans were using at the time to publicly execute people. If they had been using a guilotine then i think the christian symbol would be a guilotine.

and thanks for acknowledging the swastika as a buddhist, amerindian, norse, and celtic symbol long before the nazis.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I think we might be over-analyzing the significance of the cross, as far as the Christian perspective is concerned...just a little.

In my opinion, the cross is merely viewed as a reminder to Christians to be thankful for Christ's death. To view it as anything else would be considered idolatry, which Christianity essentially abhors.

I agree, Digital_Savior.

In Christianity and to Christians, the cross is not an occult symbol, although it may be one in occultism. I think it is a symbol however of the sacrifice of Christ.

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

Conversions of Northern pagans was made easier by taking our Hammer of Thor and making a series of subtle changes to turn it into a cross.

I always wanted to take a crucifix statue from a Catholic church or something, turn it upside down, and decapitate the head so that it looks like a Thor's Hammer again.

SST



I've heard the same thing about the Holy Trinity. The number three was sacred to pagans, so missionaries created the Holy Trinity to make it easier to convert them. I'm not sure it's true, just heard it somewhere.

that might be semi-true social junker. The triumvirite, the 3 in one. but The father, son, and holy spirit were all in the bible first.

Lucifer is a crafty creature...you must understand his nature in order to comprehend the parallels (of God) he has infiltrated the world with, in order to create the illusion that God is commonplace, or similar to other gods/religions.

God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus were the first trinity, they are the only current trinity, and will be the only trinity in the "end". (here is where I am blessed with the vehemence of the atheists..."There is a trinity in Satanism, you douchebag !" *sighs*)

Be careful to remember that God has been, and always will be. That means, before, and AFTER man. To say that there were other trinity's prior to Christ's birth (which is in no way the beginning of his existence), and that this somehow indicates that Christians "copied" this ideology, is ignorance.

Early in the Old Testament, God refers to Himself as We. Why do you think that is ?

It is not wise to say that He looked around at the concoctions man was creating (idols, graven images, other gods), grasped the concept of a trinity, and exclaimed, "Eureka !".

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:



Early in the Old Testament, God refers to Himself as We. Why do you think that is ?



Honestly? Space aliens. Like in Genesis, where God says, "Let us create man in our image". Yeah, yeah, I know the official Christian answer, He's referring to the Holy Trinity. But that's so bland and uncreative. I asked my pastor that once when I went to chruch, I thought I had him. Is God mentally unstable, does he have multiple personalities? Like I said, space aliens. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

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I've heard the same thing about the Holy Trinity. The number three was sacred to pagans, so missionaries created the Holy Trinity to make it easier to convert them. I'm not sure it's true, just heard it somewhere.

... the number three is important in occultism as well, it is called the law of trinity. According to this one can be divided into three and three.

If we take Christian God, then he is three: God, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus.

However this law can be applied to many things.

Then again it is not only Christianity that has God existing in three forms.