How many of you actually believe the Noah's Ark story?

How could anyone take it seriously - and they actually taught me this nonsense!

Noah's Ark is just another example of how the bible is just a collection of older myths and fairy tails, bundled up for social and political control.

I think that you're half right. The bible is just a big book 'o' lies, though some stories in it have roots in truth, but have been twisted by the disgusting church. Noah, was really a son of lucifer, known as enki or ea to those who worshipped him at that time. The other annunaki/nephilim were not happy with our creation, because satan gave us souls. Every once in a while though, their planet, niburu comes close to earth it's gravitational pull causes the water to move, resulting in a great flood. The hateful annunaki (jehova and his angels) decided to just let us die in the flood. Satan wasn't supposed to tell anyone, so he invited his son, noah to come to him. He pretended to be talking to himself behind a reed curtain, and noah "overheard" and made the ark, that contained not animals, but DNA so that the creatures could be recreated when it was all over.

And from where are you getting this notably flawed story of our world's history ?

Please, point out to me these "notable" flaws.

By "planet niburu", you are referring to Planet X -Wormwood-, no ? (James McCanney being the "definitive" source for the actual existence of this planet)

- http://www.detailshere.com/bibleprophesy.htm

- http://www.metatech.org/planet_x_nibiru_earth_changes.html

Where are getting the information that Noah was the son of Lucifer ? Nowhere in the Christian Bible does it say that Noah is Lucifer's descendant, nor that he was born of Nephilim. Do you even know what Nephilim are ?

The ANGELS that fell from heaven with Lucifer procreated with humans, and the race of Nephilim began...the Nephilim did not hate humans...

Genesis 6:4 - "There were giants [nephilim] (Hebrew for 'fallen ones') in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." (KJV)

Numbers 13:33 - "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."

These are the only two references to this particular race in the Bible. Neither of these verses indicates any sort of animosity towards humans...and they were half human, so what sense would that make ?

If the DNA was required to replenish the earth after the flood, what giant-sized petri dish did Noah regenerate these several hundred species of animals in ? Sounds more like a miracle to me, and if so, then he certainly wouldn't need DNA.

Genesis 2:7 - "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Satan did not GIVE men their souls...God is the ultimate creator of souls, as well as angels...Satan can create nothing. God already made everything. Satan merely manipulates God's creation.

I looked...no mention of a reed curtain in the Bible.

It took approximately 120 (Genesis 5:32 - 7:6) years for Noah to build the Ark...you really think God didn't know he was doing it, in that time frame ? *laughs*

Jesus had nothing to do with the flood.

Genesis 6:5-7 - "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them."

Your version of the flood events are so preposterous, that I can't even imagine how someone could believe them..once again, I ask, where are you getting your information ?

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You twit, you actually think I'm following the big book 'o' lies? No. It's just a twisted version of the truth, and there isn't much truth in it to twist anyways. The nephilim hit a block after they were done with us, some, the ones on the side with jehova, wished us to be dead because we had souls, which we weren't supposed to be given. Then the others, on the side of lucifer did NOT want us to be hurt, so it was necissary to save a human family and DNA. and nowhere in my post did I claim that Noah was the one to bring the beings back. Lucifer did when it was over, he was the one who first engineered humans in the first place, so cloning should be no big deal. The bible is a piece of crap.

You still haven't listed a reference for your lucid dream...

Did this come from YOUR mind ?



*scary*

No, it didn't come from my mind, it came from father lucifer. Unlike the bible stories that came from the minds of jewish nomads hoping to tell a good tale.

chaoszero...i love you....anyway, alot of these tales are in egyptian and sumerian, and many other myths, and when you study them and pile them up they make a hell of alot more sense than THE BIG MAN, LIVING IN THE SKY!!!

quote:Originally posted by chaoszero:

No, it didn't come from my mind, it came from father lucifer. Unlike the bible stories that came from the minds of jewish nomads hoping to tell a good tale.



a fellow spiritual satanist?

how was this DNA stored? how was it then implanted back into creatures? these people are pretty fucking advanced for a few thousand years ago.

And Satan is the father of all lies.

Unfortunately, his "truth" has blinded you into believing such idiocy.

Anything but God !

he is called the father of lies by a book thats full of shit to make you turn away from father but we who know that he is the real truth will never turn to a bullshit faith.

How do you know that your "faith" isn't "bullshit" ? How can you be so sure ?

That's why it's called "faith". you xians are always talking about it, even though .001% of answered prayers is phenomenal for you. We have faith in our god, because we KNOW he cares about us. Never have we seen him try and hurt people intentionally, unlike in the bible where in several places people are killed while others were saved. Such as the millions people killed by moses, under the direction of GOD.

And AnubisKnight: yes, I am, Nex is too.

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quote:Originally posted by chaoszero:

That's why it's called "faith". you xians are always talking about it, even though .001% of answered prayers is phenomenal for you. We have faith in our god, because we KNOW he cares about us. Never have we seen him try and hurt people intentionally, unlike in the bible where in several places people are killed while others were saved. Such as the millions people killed by moses, under the direction of GOD.

And AnubisKnight: yes, I am, Nex is too.

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Ok, well if you are going to use the Bible as your reference to show that God is unjust and PUNISHES those that rebel (what good parent doesn't ?), then you should also accept the fact that the Bible teaches that Satan HATES you, and only seeks to have some company in Hell.

Would you like the exact verses ?

How can you so obtusely make the statement that Satan doesn't hurt people ? The death and destruction on this planet is a result of sin...hate, greed, lust...all sins. These sins cause the diseases, wars, and failures that plague mankind. Satan was the reason sin entered into the world, since he saw fit to tempt Adam and Eve in the Garden to disobey God.

How is this the action of an entity that CARES about man ?

If you believe in God and Lucifer, then you know where Satan ends up...you really want to be hanging out with him in Hell, whether he cares about you or not, for eternity ? Do you think it's just going to be some big party ?

As for how many prayers are answered for Christians, you must first look at the origin and reason behind the prayer. Very few people have mastered the art of effective prayer. Many times, they ask for things that they don't need. In other instances, such as when a family member is sick, the prayer is "seemingly" unanswered, because there is a greater purpose ahead. Even if that means death to the family member, it happened for a reason. It is not so much that the prayer was unanswered, but that the person was praying for the wrong thing. To say, "Lord, your will be done." is an appropriate prayer. This way, God's will and the abundance He has planned for you will come to fulfillment. He cannot MAKE us do anything, so to have an open heart in these instances is most beneficial for all involved.

Too many times people see God as their personal gift-giver...wish-granter...magical wand, so to speak. They obviously have no understanding of God, and His purpose in our lives.

God gives everlasting life, and He also ensures that the prophecies in the Bible are fulfilled. In order for that to happen, certain events must take place...and often, people misinterpret or fail to understand the purpose of these events, and thus begin praying for the wrong thing.

I have personally had MANY prayers answered in my lifetime, and some took longer than others.

For example, one was that God would take away my uncontrollable anger. As much as I had wished at the time that He had made this change in me over-night, He had something else in mind. Had He conformed to 'my request', in the time frame 'I' had given Him, I wouldn't be where I am today, married to the man that I am, and mother of the children I have. My life would be a mess...and I wouldn't have learned what I needed to in order to be a more effective disciple for Him, which is my ultimate purpose. The lesson learned was taught in His time, which was perfect. It didn't seem like it when I first started praying about it, but several years later, I see the flawlessness of His plan, and that it worked out for the best, the way it happened.

I am sure this is falling, yet again, on deaf ears, but I have to say that you are completely deceived...and I will pray for you. No one deserves to be this blind. (that was NOT meant to offend, so please save the name calling for someone else. Doesn't bother me in the slightest)

You call me mindless, and in need of direction, but the only difference between Satanists and Christians is that they make different deity's their master. I deny myself the temptations of the flesh, while you embrace them. I choose everlasting life, while you choose eternal condemnation.

Doesn't seem logical to me.

first of all, you need to read more about spiritual satanism if you wanna make a decent informed opinion Digital_Savior and second, this doesnt seem logical to you, this coming from someone who believes we were created out of DIRT?!

Why do I need to read more about it ? No matter what you call it, it's still Satanism, which means against God, which means you're going to Hell. Doesn't matter, the semantics of it.

God's creation of the universe makes perfect sense to me, because He's God. He can do what He wants, in any fashion He chooses. Makes PERFECT sense to me...

Oh, and I made NO assumptions about Spiritual Satanism, or whatever pretty name you want to label this blatant rebellion against your Creator.

I spoke about Satan.

Where did I err ?

See this about the Noah's Ark myth:

http://forum.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?t=483

Fuck it, its useless,like talking to a wall.

Like most christians i'm afraid. While not a satanist myself, I know quite a bit about the religion and I even followed it for a month or so. Interesting to say the least.

Some of the problems with a global deluge from a scientific perspective (http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html)

a fellow spiritual satanist?

And AnubisKnight: yes, I am, Nex is too.

Don't count me out.

For a start Digital_Saviour, the story of the flood/deluge is stolen from mesopatomian mythology, in in the sumerian version of the story ENKI told ZUSUDRIA (Noah) what to do in order to save himself because the enemy Gods were planning to wipe the human race off the earth, humans needed to be created for harvest of Gold, which was needed for the atmosphere of Nibiru to keep the planet warm, firstly they used Annunaki (sumerian for nephilim) but then ENKI started experimenting with creating a more effective slave worker, using animals with homo-erectus was inneffective so he mixed Annunaki DNA (Enki was one, Annunaki were all from Nibiru and are the gods worshipped by ancient peoples) with homo erectus. He then altered them further to be even more like the annunaki, so they would have the ability to think freely for themselves, and the ability to become as Gods. The Enemy Gods cursed humans for this and cast them away from their presence. The NEPHILIM began making offspring with "the daughters of men" and the result were what fits the description of the scientific definition of a super male, but with superior intelligenec and powers of the mind, so basically the most advanced humans could be. The ENEMY gods caused the deluge to whipe away the human race because they feared they were getting too advanced and Enki told zusudria what to do like how chaoszero described, to disguise what he was really doing. ENKI/EA is satan and he is the very reason why homo-sapiens even existed in the first place or why we are even here, other wise we would be dead-shit because of your murderous "God" drowning the whole human race.

Your bullshit book of lies is the biggest fucking catasrophe mankind has ever seen.

The old testament is all stolen from other books, and the male saviour figure is prominent in every pagan religion of the time of the arisal of christianity. Holidays, rituals, ideals, architecture etc of christianity is stolen from other religions and traditions as well. I can prove all of this.

By looking at FACTS, HISTORY, and SCIENCE, your bullshit book of lies is debunked.

The argument speaks for itself anyway, you rave about your filthy nazarene and foul jehova and his angels when one only has to look to the bible to see the true nature of them. Jesus was an abusive drunk who called non-jews gentiles and rabbid dogs, he didn't help any non jews and when they asked him for help he called them dogs and had them chased away. He said himself he was not coming to bring peace but coming to bring a SWORD and to seperate humanity and cause conflict. He told his disciples to buy swords as well. JHVH demands blood sacrifices. People had to slaughter animals to make up for something they did that was normal for huma nature but what JHVH didn't let them do, until he sent a human sacrifice (jesus) and let people use that.

Your bullshit Jehova shows himself to Nobody. There was only ever one guy in the BUYBULL who saw only his ass. What a respectful way of showing yourself for the first and only time?

You christians haven ever seen your "God" or the nazarene or spoken to them directly, save from when you pathetically snivel to them in your cowardly prayers. As spiritual satanists we learn how to grow and advance spiritually, so we can communicate DIRECTLY and PHYSICALLY see satan and his demons. When christians prayer to their "God" they are put on hold. When we ask for help satan himself picks up and answers, we learn how to empower and defend ourselves and we are shown the truth PERSONALLY instead of having to rely off some shithouse book. Christianity, Judaism and Islam have brought nothing but hatred, conflict and massacre to the world.

Oh, and don't you dare fucking pray for us, or WE'LL prayer for YOU sweetcheeks

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

How can you so obtusely make the statement that [GOD] doesn't hurt people ? The death and destruction on this planet is a result of [GOD]...hate, greed, lust...all [CHRISTIANS]. [GOD] cause the diseases, wars, and failures that plague mankind.

How is this the action of an entity that CARES about man ?

chaoszero, can you please tell me how it came that these people were more advanced as we are now? (re- DNA extraction, storage and replication on noahs ark)

I never said that the PEOPLE were more advanced. Obviously enki could clone the animals to bring them back, as he created us. And it's not that hard a thing to imagine that the ancients could have been as advanced as us. We already had a lot, then with the coming of the church we went back several hundred(maybe 1,000) years in our advancement. Several of these transitions could have changed things. A higher being is also very likely. Read the 12th planet by zecharia sitchen. very interesting read....

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:



It took approximately 120 (Genesis 5:32 - 7:6) years for Noah to build the Ark...you really think God didn't know he was doing it, in that time frame ? *laughs*



Just curious, but do you actually believe it took him 120 years to build it, or did the ancients who wrote the Bible use a different unit of measurement for time than us? And if you do believe that, then why do humans today live 120 years at the most, in this day of medical science? Was God sprinkling magic fairy dust on people, causing them to live longer *laughs*, sorry, bad joke.

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How do you know that your "faith" isn't "bullshit" ? How can you be so sure ?



I ask you the same question. And please, don't tell me "The Bible", I'm so sick of that answer. Be creative!

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which means against God, which means you're going to Hell.



One of my greatest pet peeves is this answer, "you don't believe what I believe, you're going to Hell with a capital "H"! Save yourself through Christ, ahhhh!!!". That is a narrow-minded, biased response to someone. I am sick of hearing from people when I tell them I'm a Buddhist, that I'm going to Hell. I might be wrong, but isn't judgment reserved to God alone, so who are you to say who is going to hell and who isn't?



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quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

One of my greatest pet peeves is this answer, "you don't believe what I believe, you're going to Hell with a capital "H"! Save yourself through Christ, ahhhh!!!". That is a narrow-minded, biased response to someone. I am sick of hearing from people when I tell them I'm a Buddhist, that I'm going to Hell. I might be wrong, but isn't judgment reserved to God alone, so who are you to say who is going to hell and who isn't?

You can see why I believe in God on this thread: http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum15/HTML/002780.html (if you are genuinely interested in knowing, then please read it.)

People lived as long as 900 years when Adam was created. Over time, the life span of men decreased. I can show verses supporting this, if you'd like, but if you don't believe in the Bible anyway, it won't matter to you.

I don't have any authority to say who goes to Hell and who doesn't. God does, and I know what the Bible says about who is going to Heaven, and who is not. If you're pissed off about being told you're going to Hell, then you care about going, so I suggest you look a little deeper into the word of God before turning your back on Him. Everyone has the chance to go to Heaven, even you (even me !).

Every day that you live, you have the opportunity to make that decision. It is ultimately up to you.

this is noahs ark... http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id573.html

hail lucifer for he is the true savior

What is he saving you from, neX ?

I am starting to doubt that bush will be re-elected come november 2nd. But if he is ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE proably most of the usa will be destroyed. But I will be a few hundred feet underground w/ all the project gutenburg and wikpedia articles stored on my laptop http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif). And to whoever said that jesus told the drsciples to buy swords was mistaken beacuse when they are going to arrest jesus he tells paul (saul) to put away his sword.

didn't you bother to read it? hes saving us from all the chaos of war and everyone left on earth will die like you

Above all he saved us from lies, though ignorance may be bliss, it can be dangerous. Thus removing us from ignorance, we were saved from it's dangers. Ergo, he is the savior.

Hey ChaosZero, where do your beliefs come from? It's an interesting alternative viewpoint that I'd like to read, if there's documentation.

Certainly sounds more interesting than the bible

www.joyofsatan.com (http://www.joyofsatan.com)

Realize that I do not give this site as a defense for anything, I merely give it as a source of information for those who may wish to learn.

amen brother

Thanks. I'm always open to an alternative idea, especially one that's not rammed down my throat. *looks in the direction of the local Baptist church*

lol. yes the baptists are odd. Let me point you in the direction of this wackadoo site: www.exposingsatanism.org (http://www.exposingsatanism.org)

You still have not clarified what Satan is saving you from.

Lies ? That's it ? How does this 'free' you from your eternal destination ?

If you worship Satan, then do you claim to be going to Hell after death ? If not, what do you think will happen to you ?

You cannot be selective in what you believe. If you believe in Satan, which is obvious since you claim to worship him, then you must accordingly believe in Heaven and Hell. It is then apparent that you must believe that to whom you dedicate your spirit is to whom you will accompany for eternity after physical death.

Sounds like you are just flipping your proverbial finger at God, by 'worshipping' Satan. It also sounds like you are doing this simply because you are pissed off at God, based on your lack of understanding (most likely stemming from a lack of logical explanation) of the Bible, and your own personal distaste for those that claim to be Christian.

It is a delicate thing, your soul, and I wouldn't be risking it's eternal state, based on misconceptions, and human emotion.

Reading one or two chapters in the Bible does neither of two things: clarifies the true meaning of the entire book, nor explains the purpose of God.

It also does not disprove the Bible's validity, or infallibility.

Try reading the WHOLE thing...I'll bet the scales will fall from your eyes.

digital you are an idiot... you see satan from the perspective of your book of lies and thats it. you don't see him the way that we do and you never will which is a pretty sad thing. you keep on talking and talking about the way the bible interpets satan and thats it.

if i worship satan i will go to hell. if i worship god i will go to heaven... is it that easy? how does one know if there is a heaven or a hell? we don't and if there is then how do we know what it looks like? you can't just read a book and know all these things... so yea im going to hell and im going to listen to heavy metal and eat nuns for breakfast!

GET IT STRAIGHT! we do not believe in the shitty bible version of satan.

im going to get a tattoo of the baphomet on the back of my neck with 666 around it on my birthday when i turn 16 it will be so great

I see him the way God tells us to see him, and you see him how (whoever you deem to be worthy of deciding ______________ <---- enter their name here) tells you to see him.

Which you still haven't divulged. I was honestly trying to understand where you are coming from, and it is apparent to me now that it is not even worth it. You don't even know what you believe, which is why you refuse to explain it, while resorting to childish slander.

I believe it is YOU who is ignorant, because the '666' symbol you so gleefully worship was attributed to Satan by the Bible, written by Christians.

I asked the questions I did, in order to get some answers.

You obviously can't handle that, so I hope that someone with some actual knowledge about this belief ("we believe in Satan, but not God's satan, because there actually IS some sort of distinction between the two) can explain it to me.

It is preposterous that you think you can pick and choose which of the aspects of the Bible you choose to adopt for your personal beliefs. The whole thing is the truth, not just the parts you like.

I am not going to argue about whether heaven or hell exists, because you obviously aren't educated enough about your own "religion" to comprehend them.

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actually digital_savior, we have been telling you who teaches us what we know, satan. And if you've even been reading the thread, I have given you a place to learn about this creed. As for heaven and hell, yes we'll go to hell, but it is not the hell you've heard of in the bible, it is located in orion, somewhere around betelguece. IT IS a good place to be where you can enjoy all the things you once did in life. However, with a hell(or satan's domain as I like to call it, even in me hell invokes images of fire.) there must be heaven. Heaven is jehova's domain, when you die your soul will go there and he and the angels will devour it, they have a huge bank of energy, but use it only for themselves. Essentially going to heaven means the end of your existence on ANY plain. Whereas, you can go to hell, where you can stay and eventually be reincarnated to another human form, unless you have ascended(if you have ascended then you will be too powerful and any human fetus you may inhabit will die). yes, we do know about our creed, and I will give you this: what you say is true, we cannot pick and choose which parst of the bible to believe and not to. The point of giving situations where various people/characters in the bible do bad things is the ask the question: Why would you follow someone who did such things?

digital savior... i want to fuck your tight daughters virgin pussy

http://www.enemies.com

See, now I just can't figure out why anyone would want to be a Christian, as opposed to a spiritual Satanist.

They seem so much happier than we do.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

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Is that all you have for us? sarcasm? you were doing so well..... I had expected something more.....in depth? enjoyable? perhaps more interesting to think about.

quote:Originally posted by chaoszero:

actually digital_savior, we have been telling you who teaches us what we know, satan. And if you've even been reading the thread, I have given you a place to learn about this creed. As for heaven and hell, yes we'll go to hell, but it is not the hell you've heard of in the bible, it is located in orion, somewhere around betelguece. IT IS a good place to be where you can enjoy all the things you once did in life. However, with a hell(or satan's domain as I like to call it, even in me hell invokes images of fire.) there must be heaven. Heaven is jehova's domain, when you die your soul will go there and he and the angels will devour it, they have a huge bank of energy, but use it only for themselves. Essentially going to heaven means the end of your existence on ANY plain. Whereas, you can go to hell, where you can stay and eventually be reincarnated to another human form, unless you have ascended(if you have ascended then you will be too powerful and any human fetus you may inhabit will die). yes, we do know about our creed, and I will give you this: what you say is true, we cannot pick and choose which parst of the bible to believe and not to. The point of giving situations where various people/characters in the bible do bad things is the ask the question: Why would you follow someone who did such things?

Thank you for at least citing your beliefs intelligently, free of emotion.

I understood the context of giving those examples, but to truly judge them for what they are in relation to God and His purpose for us, you must completely understand the Bible, and the laws of the land at the time that these horrific events occured.

It is not as though I am too blind to see that the examples you have given make God out to be an entity of wrath. Unjust, and unkind, to His own creation.

However, what is cold without hot ? Dark without light ? Pain without comfort ?

Perhaps it was not for us to say, "Oh, what a horrible God we have ! Look at what He has done to us !", but rather, "We see now the difference between a God of love (current/New Testament) and a God of wrath (past/Old Testament)."

I will look for your link regarding what you believe, and hope I gain some insight.

I know I will not agree with it, but at least I can converse with you in an educated manner, instead of asking legitimate questions, and being attacked for them.

quote:Originally posted by chaoszero:

Is that all you have for us? sarcasm? you were doing so well..... I had expected something more.....in depth? enjoyable? perhaps more interesting to think about.



No, that wasn't all, for YOU. That WAS all for neX, because that is all he/she deserved.

*smiles*

I'm not an xtian and I will not criticize Digital for her views, but I do question the validity of neX's "satanism". You said you are 15. I encourage you to read more of our religion before you come to the hasty conclusion of getting a tattoo just for the purpose of gradifying your ego. Satan wants all people of all ages to come to Him, of course, in order to know them more and to teach them His great ways. This is why I encourage you my friend to read more about Father on a serious level and to seek Him for who he is and not for who Hot Topic makes Him. I am glad that you show interest in Satanism, however, I would like to say that this is a SERIOUS religion for SERIOUS people and there are things that will burn you if you aren't careful in this game of fire.