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Metalligod
2004-07-20, 04:25
Ok, skeptics and 'The Faithful'...
Let's just say that God does exist. He did indeed make the universe, both physical and ethereal things.
Let's not question His existance, but let's question the 'why'. Why do you believe that God made this...thing, the physical world, us? What's the point, for what reason would He create us?(Be logical)
Is there really a heaven and/or hell? Or rather is there a heaven and hell the way we percieve it to be? Why ever would He make a place that 'bad' people go? If He doesn't want to have 'bad' people in His presence, couldn't He just have made it so that 'bad' people aren't concieved?
(I have a lot more to add, I just didn't want to make this so long that no one will read it)
KikoSanchez
2004-07-20, 08:37
Hmm, I wont answer the question at this time, but I'll just say this: what is good or bad are relative to a standard way of acting. Good/bad exists because we create it.
Also: can we start referring to 'god' as 'it'? If it does exist, I have a hard time imagining why it would need a reproductive organ.
[This message has been edited by KikoSanchez (edited 07-20-2004).]
The_Rabbi
2004-07-20, 08:44
Science experiment.
Optimus Prime
2004-07-20, 09:40
quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:
Ok, skeptics and 'The Faithful'...
Let's just say that God does exist. He did indeed make the universe, both physical and ethereal things.
Let's not question His existance, but let's question the 'why'. Why do you believe that God made this...thing, the physical world, us? What's the point, for what reason would He create us?(Be logical)
Is there really a heaven and/or hell? Or rather is there a heaven and hell the way we percieve it to be? Why ever would He make a place that 'bad' people go? If He doesn't want to have 'bad' people in His presence, couldn't He just have made it so that 'bad' people aren't concieved?
(I have a lot more to add, I just didn't want to make this so long that no one will read it)
I'm really drunk right now, so forgive the complete lack of eloquence in this post:
The answer, as simple as I can put it, is that dogma is complete bullshit. Heaven and Hell are percieved the way they are because deductive logic leads people to believe that bad needs to be punished, good needs to be rewarded. If more people were inductive thinkers, Heaven and Hell would be percieved as a place of rest, and a place of learning, respectively (Heaven would be death and anything it might entail, Hell would be life, where we learn and experience both joy and sorrow). I'll come back when I'm sober and explain myself.
---Beany---
2004-07-20, 10:50
Oo, I love a chance to share my ideas.
quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:
Why do you believe that God made this...thing, the physical world, us? What's the point, for what reason would He create us?(Be logical)
I believe that gods mind is all that really exists, and the universe is an artistic expression of hiself, created as a way for him to know hiself.
Some people could say "Then God can't know everything if he needs something to know himself.", but the universe is the process of him knowing hiself.
The universe is gods art. You draw a picture or write a story. This came from your mind and from it you can see a part of yourself in front of you. Your art shows you about you.
And I believe that we are a part of God. We are the same as God but we have been made to forget who we are so that we can experience God (Ourselves) from a completely fresh perspective.
quote:
Is there really a heaven and/or hell? Or rather is there a heaven and hell the way we percieve it to be? Why ever would He make a place that 'bad' people go? If He doesn't want to have 'bad' people in His presence, couldn't He just have made it so that 'bad' people aren't concieved?
Since (As I said before) the universe is an expressions of god, the more we live and learn about the universe, the more we learn about god, and since we are a part of god we also learn about ourselves, and our relation to God IE: one and the same.
Heaven comes from learning completely about ourselves, and from knowing ourselves we can know what makes us as happy as possible. This is heaven.
Hell, if it exists, is probably not knowing anything about ourselves and being completely confused, afraid and alone.
Hell probably comes from pushing your true nature farther from you and living a complete lie.
If the universe is God or God's mind, then why the fuck is to so empty? Pretty much all of the universe is all vacuum and dust.
And why the hell would he make the universe so big, and stick us in this small dumbshit planet in the middle of,... nowhere?
Digital_Savior
2004-07-20, 18:58
quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:
Ok, skeptics and 'The Faithful'...
Let's just say that God does exist. He did indeed make the universe, both physical and ethereal things.
Let's not question His existance, but let's question the 'why'. Why do you believe that God made this...thing, the physical world, us? What's the point, for what reason would He create us?(Be logical)
Is there really a heaven and/or hell? Or rather is there a heaven and hell the way we percieve it to be? Why ever would He make a place that 'bad' people go? If He doesn't want to have 'bad' people in His presence, couldn't He just have made it so that 'bad' people aren't concieved?
(I have a lot more to add, I just didn't want to make this so long that no one will read it)
We're all bad...from birth. God says we are born into sin. What we do with our lives determines where we go. (no, I am not talking about 'works'...actions that get you into heaven. I am referring to whether or not you become saved, meaning accept Jesus Christ as your savior)
I believe there is an actual heaven/hell, because God says that these places exist. They are described to the best of man's ability. The vision that were given to the writer's of the Bible could only be relayed in the best possible way, according to their experience, knowledge, and perception.
For instance, in Revelation, a 'metal bird' is mentioned, flying through the sky, and this can only be translated into 'airplane', in our modern tongue.
The hell that is described in the Bible is a word picture for an existence that is unbearable in pain and suffering. This suffering does not stem from the physical exposure to 'fire', as so many misunderstand. (Lake of Fire is a word picture...analogous to the way a soul will 'feel', per se) It is a burning of the soul, being separated from God. There will be an infinite nothingness in hell...solitary confinement often drives man insane after only one month, let alone eternity. When a soul finds itself in hell, it comes to the realization that God is real, and that it will be separated from it's creator for eternity. That profound aloneness is truly what 'hell' is all about.
Heaven is described as having pearly gates, and streets of gold, with massive castle-like building structures. There will be no need to eat, drink, or procreate. This is the interpretation of the visions God inspired the writer's of the Bible with...so, take from that what you will. Based on their language, experience, and perception, it is reasonable to believe that God has something slightly different in mind, though the general idea is relayed.
The reason God made us ? He does not reveal that to us in the Bible, but I like to think that God sought companionship, of sorts. This is putting a human label on an omnipotent being, so it is most likely inaccurate, but He does say that His purpose for us is for good, and not evil, so I would assume that the sole purpose was fellowship.
He wants a loving, meaningful relationship with His creation, and not in a human sense. Soul is something I cannot explain, and again, God does not give His 'why'. The Bible says we will know the mysteries of this life upon death.
I hope this answers your questions.
Well, i would hope we can eat and drink and procreate in heaven. We of course won't have kids, but still.
But, here's my theory. God is love. There is a trinity. The three parts of the Trinity have the most perfect relationship. That's where they got the idea to have more of relationship. So they created us.
Which brings about a problem with Islam. There is no Trinity in Islam. So where did Allah get the idea of a relationship? Plus, in Arabic the part of the verse in the Koran that says no trinity is not there. In English it is, therefore the Koran is corrupted, which proves other parts of the koran wrong mostly the part about it being Allah-inspired and protected.
Optimus Prime
2004-07-20, 20:16
If you're going to use mistranslations to prove a book corrupt...goodbye Talmud, good bye Torah, goodbye Quran, goodbye Bible...goodbye every single book that has ever been translated.
I gave this a lot of thought before I became an atheist, and came to the conclusion that we are "things" in gods eye/s, and we are treated as such because we are to unimportant in his grand scheme of things. In other words, we are just prasing machines to soothe his ego. I explored this possability for a while, realized that humanities beleif that perfection is unreachable came from religion, started countering my weaknesses, and realized that vanity on the scale of gods was a major flaw and most christians were probabily worshipping satan instead of god. Then I became an atheist because it made more sense.
[This message has been edited by Duck (edited 07-20-2004).]
I realize we only question heaven and hell because we were taught of it. Maybe not god, cause the question of where did it all begin? Would've surely lead to a supreme being, I think. Though its really just an idea for the un-explainable.
If you ask me about death, I think things are going to get harder before they get better. We can't even wrap our minds around infinity. We only live in the third dimension. If there is a god, wouldn't it be infinite? Of course such thing as infinite is an idea. So maybe it created us to learn from us as beany said, to question its self. Or maybe for us to learn so that possible we might join it.
If heaven and hell exist, I can't really judge who would go there. Because people are thier expirences. If you have had a hard life then wouldn't it kind,ve explain bad behavior? Its easy to be nice to people who are nice to you.
Metalligod
2004-07-22, 00:50
quote:Originally posted by KikoSanchez:
[B]...what is good or bad are relative to a standard way of acting. Good/bad exists because we create it....
Well put, thought I believe that you're leaving one thing out... Evil is a point of view. Evil is what we make in our minds of the things we're witnessed to. Whether we've become witnesses through sight, sounding, or 'grape vining'(Heresay, gossip, what's reported to us).
From most American POV's, those dumbass Al Quida(or however the hell it's spelled) bitches are evil. But in the works or their minds, they honestly believe what they do is 'good', for many inane reasons, mostly pious religious bullshit.
quote:Also: can we start referring to 'god' as 'it'? If it does exist, I have a hard time imagining why it would need a reproductive organ.
I'd rather not. Years ago I was metaphorically stoned to death by other fello Totseers, for making a thread that asked 'why in the hell would God need a sex organ?'. Though I never recieved an answer. I think it's a great thing to ponder, at least I thought that was a great thing to ponder.
I've come to find out that when it comes to God and His angels, sex is not spoken of in the physical sense. I've grown intellectually and I realize that sex organs do not necessarrily denote ones essence. Meaning having a dick does not make you a man, and the same is to be said about the other sex.
In essence God is a man, in essence His angels are men(most of them). However, angels DO NOT have sexes in their angelic form. But they are in the 'shape' of being male(also female). The Watcher, or Bene Ba Elohim, are the Sons of God. Though it was not until they sheathed themselves in flesh that they gained sex organs.
(Though, again, none of the so-called bright people who responded had the mental 'apt' to say anything close to what I've come to know)
Metalligod
2004-07-22, 01:04
quote:I'm really drunk right now, so forgive the complete lack of eloquence in this post:
The answer, as simple as I can put it, is that dogma is complete bullshit. Heaven and Hell are percieved the way they are because deductive logic leads people to believe that bad needs to be punished, good needs to be rewarded. If more people were inductive thinkers, Heaven and Hell would be percieved as a place of rest, and a place of learning, respectively (Heaven would be death and anything it might entail, Hell would be life, where we learn and experience both joy and sorrow). I'll come back when I'm sober and explain myself.
Well...I sort of agree with you. If Heaven and Hell do exist in the ethereal sense, then I believe wholeheartedly that Hell is indeed a place of learning, it all the while our 'freewill' is never taken away. I believe that the traditional beliefs of heaven and hell are inane. KJ added a lot of thins in 'his version' that the original doesn't contain. In the original(Hebrew) EVERYONE went to hell before entering heaven.
All the dead go there. Save for babies, everyone causes someone else pain whether or not they realize it. I believe that when we die, it is completely our choice to go to hell because, again, it's our ticket to heaven. In hell we learn, we come to realizations of our actions in life, and we 'torture' ourselves because we become infinitely more conscious to the harm we've done. We torment ourselves with it until we've forgiven ourselves, we've forgiven God(yes I said GOD!), and we've forgiven those who've wronged us.
Though after all that, we're still tethered to eachother and to hell because those we've wrong has to forgive us before we can 'move on'. And that's what the whole torture is, not being able to move on. Being unchanged and 'subconsciously' tortured forever until all those 'requirements' are met. The 'bad' are pnished, as well as the so-called 'good'.
But then again, I'm just kooky old Metalligod, no one believes that what I say makes any sense.
*BTW: Lack of eloquence excused: Metalligod- '(Raises elbow) **Nudge-Nudge**' J/K
GlitterPunk112358
2004-07-22, 01:14
None of you actually believe the crap you're spouting out, do you? You all have yet to say where you came up with this shit. What do you do, just sit at home and decide that you're going to believe is true? Come up with these huge elaborate theories and convince yourself that they're real? What the hell is wrong with you?
There is no god. The concept doesn't even make sense. There's no reason to believe in something that you have no proof of. I'm still trying to understand how people follow religion, especially Christianity and Islam, which are both filled with contradictions and rewrites.
As for God and his sex organ, I think it's rpetty obvious. He has to be human for people to understand. To be capable of love, it must be human. You never call a human "it", even if you don't know it's sex. One or the other is always chosen to refer to every person. The reason the sex of the Christian god (whose name I don't know how to spell) is male is most likely because the founders of the religion (more accurately, the religions before it that it was based off of) were men. Women weren't really thought of as being capable of doing anything right back then. Though there have been other religions that have the god figure as a female.
Metalligod
2004-07-22, 01:21
quote:I believe that gods mind is all that really exists, and the universe is an artistic expression of hiself, created as a way for him to know hiself.
Well...that's a very...hmmm....lofty way of looking at things. Though I disagree in a way, I do respect your opinion.
quote:Some people could say "Then God can't know everything if he needs something to know himself.", but the universe is the process of him knowing hiself.
The universe is gods art. You draw a picture or write a story. This came from your mind and from it you can see a part of yourself in front of you. Your art shows you about you.
And I believe that we are a part of God. We are the same as God but we have been made to forget who we are so that we can experience God (Ourselves) from a completely fresh perspective
Well, again, I disagree with you mostly, however, you've strucken a cord in me. You hit on a very intersting point which is a part of my opinion. I do believe that we are a part of God, yes indeed. But I don't believe it in the exact way you do. I also want to respond to this thing on His 'omniscience'. It all comes together, you'll see.
Well I do NOT believe that God is omniscient, if He were there'd be no point in us. I don't believe for a second that He's omniscient, at least not in the human sense. What's the best way to achieve omniscience??? In my opinion it would be to make a creature that knows factually of my existance and instill them with the desire to 'know'. Allow them to have their 'freewill', allow them to intellectually challenge me, use them as satallites.
Everything that they know and everything they'll ever learn will by proxy will become known to me. I'd know and understand everything from infinate points of view, because everyone has their own POV. I believe in God's omniscience as in knowing all there is to know and having the ability to stay around long enough so that you continue to learn everything there is to learn. I take omniscience as knowing all there is that can be known at a certain point and time.
(I appreciate the replies everyone, keep pouring the knowledge into my head)
Metalligod
2004-07-22, 01:48
[quote]The reason God made us ? He does not reveal that to us in the Bible...His purpose for us is for good, and not evil, so I would assume that the sole purpose was fellowship...He wants a loving, meaningful relationship with His creation, and not in a human sense. Soul is something I cannot explain, and again, God does not give His 'why'. The Bible says we will know the mysteries of this life upon death...I hope this answers your questions.[quote]
Ok, you may find this rude, but, I'm going to skip over a lot of what you've said.
The reason I subtitled the tread, 'If you've got a brain use it', is because I want to hear from ppl who've thought logically and have not been sucked into every idiotic belief in the bible. THE BIBLE MAKES NO SENSE, IT CONSTANTLY LOGICALLY AND PRINCIPALLY CONTRADICTS ITSELF.
I don't by into the 'hell bad, heaven good' bullshit. GOOD AND EVIL ARE NOTHING MORE THE POINTS OF VIEW. SO HOW IN THE BLOODY HAY-HA COULD SOMETHING BE CONCRETELY DEEMED ONE OR THE OTHER?!?!?!
Yeah, so what 'GOD doesn't reveal to YOU in the bible why He made us'. Why the hell would anyone construct their thoughts from a freakin book that was wrongly edited and inconclusively authorised by an inconclusively existing diety? Are you mad?
Secondly, you completely left out any logic to everything you've said. You response was/is completely void of intel from a 'FREE-THINKER', of one whom posesses 'FREEWIL'. Why in the hell would God make us for companionship AND NOT COMMUNICATE WITH USE?!?!?! Why would God create US for companionship when He's already made angels, whom which He communes with, a previllage of which we're depreived?
I hope you don't take what I say as though I'm trying to provoke agressive behavior, because I'm simply not. You response DID NOT answer my question(s) simply because it was not YOUR THOUGHTS. It was devout and totally based on what you know of the bible.
When I read you post, the only thought that came to mind was, 'Freewill has sooooo left the building'.
Metalligod
2004-07-22, 01:51
quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:
If the universe is God or God's mind, then why the fuck is to so empty? Pretty much all of the universe is all vacuum and dust.
And why the hell would he make the universe so big, and stick us in this small dumbshit planet in the middle of,... nowhere?
^^I really hate this guy, but what he's said makes sense.
(The hate thing just goes to show that I don't let personal feeling get in the way of simple logic, respect, my thought process and my opinions. No biases here.)
Metalligod
2004-07-22, 01:53
quote:Originally posted by Optimus Prime:
If you're going to use mistranslations to prove a book corrupt...goodbye Talmud, good bye Torah, goodbye Quran, goodbye Bible...goodbye every single book that has ever been translated.
So then you agree to saying, 'Goodbye Bible'? Because that's THEEE worst mistranslation in history.
Metalligod
2004-07-22, 02:06
quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:
BLIBBITY BLIBBITY BLAH BLAH BLAH
If all you're gonna do is bitch, why the hell don't you just save yourself the time and energy by not posting at all?
Conserve Energy!
(This message brought to you by the World Blab-mouth Energy Conservation Program)
It's sad that you believe the bullshit you're blowing out of the wrong end! You don't fuckin know whether or not God exists, just shut the fuck up. If you're so damned certain of your bullshit beliefs then why in the bloody fuckin hell are you even posting here?!
Why in the hell are you even on this site, in this forum? Your very being here indicates uncertainty in your beliefs, go shit out of the wrong end to some brainless twit who acutally gives a damn what you say.
Don't bother responding because Metalligod implores no messages from brainless attention whores such as yourself. There's only a one time observancy and you've just wasted yours.
(Don't bother flaming, I've given you undeserved attention and that is never granted twice, now go play!)
Eat shit and die slowly!
Sincerely,
-Metalligod
Metalligod
2004-07-22, 02:34
Thread Opening Post Continued:
...Why the seperation? What's the purpose of it? Do you really believe that makes a lick of sense? Why is it that the religions surrounding God omit or contain very little info on His Adversary, Satanial?
What I'm saying is this, why not make us the way He wants us to be rather than allowing the prolonged creation of unworthy ones? Who by their very nature's are doomed to suffer forever from the time they're conceived? What the hell's the point?
And also why is it that the Foreveer Faithful believe in the ludacris idea that God is 'Perfect'? How so when it is that He created an angel, whom supposedly purposely tries continually tries/tried to mess-up His 'plan(s)'?
Angels which, BTW, are supposed to be innocent, obidient and 'pure'? The very existance of this creature would be proof of His imperfection. So does the idea of 'bad' people. Existnace of bad people would prove there's flaw in something He made, thefore it proves that He Himself can mess-up, making a flawed thing.
The idea of bad people proves that something He made did not turn out the way He wanted, therefore, He made a mistake therby displaying an imperfection of what He's alleged to be.
Optimus Prime
2004-07-22, 02:56
quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:
So then you agree to saying, 'Goodbye Bible'? Because that's THEEE worst mistranslation in history.
I'm an atheist...I said, "Goodbye religion."
Metalligod
2004-07-23, 03:14
quote:Originally posted by Optimus Prime:
I'm an atheist...I said, "Goodbye religion."
LOL.
Well could you post YOUR thoughts on what our perpose might be? Because everything you 'thought' came from what the bible says. What do YOU think, post YOUR ideas if you have any on the matter.
GlitterPunk112358
2004-07-23, 08:10
quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:
Don't bother responding because Metalligod implores no messages from brainless attention whores such as yourself.
You're dumb, and it's fun to piss off dumb people, so I will respond. I'm not a brainless attention whore. Clearly I've got more brains than you, seeing as how you're getting pissed off at something you think you read on a message board. I fail to see how I am in any way an attention whore. How did I try to get attention? By creating a dumb thread that claims to want to hear people's ideas, then replying to it a thousand times getting angry at people whose opinions differ from mine? Wait no, ...that was you. My bad.
Of course I'm not sure that there is no God. I'm not sure that you, totse, my computer, my desk, the United States, the planet Earth, or even the universe exists. All I know is that I reason, therefore I exist. I have to use this reason that I've been granted to make logical conclusions about the world around me based on evidence. I see the computer, therefore I assume it is there. I don't see Mars, but I assume it is there because others have seen it and there are many accounts of its existance. Whether or not Mars is there is not a widely debated topic. There is general agreement about what it looks like and what it is. I don't believe that faeries exist. I haven't seen them. I've never heard of anyone seeing them. As far as I've ever seen or heard, faeries are fictional. If I see a faerie tomorrow, my opinion will change. I will then believe in them. It is the same with God. I have no reason to believe he is there, so I don't believe it. But if I witness him, I will draw the logical conclusion that the thing I see/hear/feel is actually there.
So I am certain of nothing. I never claimed to be certain about anything. All I did was question why you all believe the shit you do (which I thought was the intent of this thread) and I got flamed. You're not a very nice guy.
Optimus Prime
2004-07-23, 11:08
quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:
LOL.
Well could you post YOUR thoughts on what our perpose might be? Because everything you 'thought' came from what the bible says. What do YOU think, post YOUR ideas if you have any on the matter.
What I believe is that we have no metaphysical purpose. We're designed to fuck, and that's about it. Any meaning we want is assigned by ourselves, and that is justification enough to live in my opinion. Life is a valuable thing...it's extremely rare, and you get no second chance nor afterlife to make up for your shortcomings and failures here. It is up to you to assign a meaning and enjoy your life while you have it...or you could always rot away or kill yourself if you are too weak to handle living without a 'higher' purpose.
Metalligod
2004-07-24, 06:51
quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:
None of you actually believe the CRAP you're spouting out, do you? You all have yet to say where you came up with this SHIT.
Who in their right mind wouls RESPECT such OPINIONS???
quote:What do you do, just sit at home and decide that you're going to believe is true?
Not only was it meant derogatorily, the shit makes no sense.
quote:Come up with these huge elaborate theories and convince yourself that they're real? What the hell is wrong with you?
Again, more childish, defamatory comments...Whatta BITCH.
quote:There is no god. The concept doesn't even make sense. There's no reason to believe in something that you have no proof of. I'm still trying to understand how people follow religion, especially Christianity and Islam, which are both filled with contradictions and rewrites.
Again, more non-sense. WORDSS WORDS WORDS! All of it being mad ramblings of a babbling drunk. You make CONCRETE statements that aren't baaaacked with ANY reasoning and/orlogical explainations. You're in the big leagus now, that shit don't fly here.
quote:As for God and his sex organ, I think it's rpetty obvious.
I'm dumb? Ha-fuckin-ha bitch. Before even entertaining the idea of having the idea to call me stupid, learn to spell you fuckin cixelsyd cunt!
quote:He has to be human for people to understand. To be capable of love, it must be human. You never call a human "it", even if you don't know it's sex.
BULLSHIT, it stinks, it stinks, it really fuckin stinks. All of that shit(^) stinks. It's, again, not backed with any logical explaination, it makes NO SENSE, it's completely void of intelligence. And also it's FALSE! Babies are called, 'it', all the time. People who look like both genders are called it, people in transit of sexual gender are called, 'it'. You mother is called, it(sorry couldn't resist.)
quote:One or the other is always chosen to refer to every person. The reason the sex of the Christian god (whose name I don't know how to spell) is male is most likely because the founders of the religion (more accurately, the religions before it that it was based off of) were men. Women weren't really thought of as being capable of doing anything right back then. Though there have been other religions that have the god figure as a female.
None of this BULL has anything to do with the fuckin topic. Bitch, learn to fuckin read. None of this has anything to do with the questions, none of this matters. It's simply bullshit. It would help your arguments a lot to be truthful when making them. And, you should have the 'room' to back-up what you say.
You're full of shit and I won't even allow you to be acknowledged by my hate. Yeah I don't even hate you, you're not worthy. I can't believe I let you make me into a liar, I freakin repsonded, I simply couldn't resist. And BTW...
-Eat shit and die slowly
Sincerely,
Metalligod, out.
AngryFemme
2004-07-24, 21:37
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Optimus Prime:
[B] What I believe is that we have no metaphysical purpose. We're designed to fuck, and that's about it. Any meaning we want is assigned by ourselves, and that is justification enough to live in my opinion.
True, that.
Feeding, Fighting, Fecundicy and Fucking.
That truly is our only purpose. Everything else(including our arts, ideas, religions and vehement opinions posted on totse.com) is just filler stuff, taking up the time we have left between practing the four F's above.
LostCause
2004-07-25, 23:09
If we were created by a god, I imagine he either created us out of simple boredom or because of a psychological thing, like why it was inevitable that Adam and Eve would eat from the tree of knowledge. Essentially, they had no choice, because to have free will in a perfect existance is pointless, so eventually they'd have to make the wrong choice.
If god is omnipotent then he wouldn't be able to survive in a perfect environment, such as heaven or any state of being where it's just him and the angels. He'd have to create "drama" for himself, which is why he would've created people.
Cheers,
Lost
GlitterPunk112358
2004-07-26, 08:59
Metalligod, I'm sorry for wasting your time. Clearly you're just too fucking smart for me. I can't believe I didn't even know how to spell rpetty (...wait... how the fuck is it spelled?)! You're soooo right about everything, even though you never provide any evidence or logic to back anything you say. I suppose the burden of proof is on me because I'm the negative... that's how it works, right???
Bowing to your almighty motherfucking greatness
~The Truly Unworthy GlitterPunk
LostCause
2004-07-26, 21:45
quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:
Metalligod, I'm sorry for wasting your time. Clearly you're just too fucking smart for me. I can't believe I didn't even know how to spell rpetty (...wait... how the fuck is it spelled?)! You're soooo right about everything, even though you never provide any evidence or logic to back anything you say. I suppose the burden of proof is on me because I'm the negative... that's how it works, right???
Bowing to your almighty motherfucking greatness
~The Truly Unworthy GlitterPunk
Uh... drama...
Cheers,
Lost
Metalligod
2004-07-27, 01:02
quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:
Metalligod, I'm sorry for wasting your time. Clearly you're just too fucking smart for me. I can't believe I didn't even know how to spell rpetty (...wait... how the fuck is it spelled?)! You're soooo right about everything, even though you never provide any evidence or logic to back anything you say. I suppose the burden of proof is on me because I'm the negative... that's how it works, right???
Bowing to your almighty motherfucking greatness
~The Truly Unworthy GlitterPunk
Precisely.