Hey all, i found the following in one of my local papers and i thought i'd share it to see what kind of discussion it arouses...



IN response to Alan Long "George W the worst terrorist of all" (Community, January 14), you have a sadly misinformed view of Islam if

you think it is a coincidence that terrorist attacks worldwide are carried out by Muslims.

Take the time to contact any international counter-terrorism organisation and ask for a list of active terrorist groups they are

following. For reference, try the Terrorism Research Centre, ASIO [Australian Security Intelligence Organisation] or the UN [United

Nations] Security Council -- over 90 per cent of terrorist organisations today are Islamic.

The fact remains that the majority of Muslims are peaceful people but their religion is not one of peace. Their founder Mohammad wed a six-year-old girl (bedding her at age nine), he burned out the eyes of enemies (Hadith; vol. 1:234), and he

stated the majority of people in hell were women (Hadith; vol. 128, 301 vol. 2:161).

We are all targets, for the Koran states: "No Muslim should be killed

for killing a kafir", kafir being infidel, Christian, Jew, Hindu and so on (Hadith; vol.9:50).

You might ask if Islam is so bad, why don't people leave the religion? "Whomever changes his Islamic religion, kill him" (Hadith; vol. 9:57). Throughout the Koran there are too many references to list here on the

use of terrorism and violence against non-Muslims.

The example you give to [read "of"] Northern Ireland or past wrongdoing of people from other religions are of people violating their

spiritual teaching, not fulfilling it. If we were witnessing a resurgence in Naziism, we would quite rightly jump up in protest, yet it appears Islam is a protected species in

Australia.

I hope for more free speech and information on the topic so people can understand the real nature of Islam. This will also help the peaceful majority of Australian Muslims

understand that in our society they cannot be forced to remain part of this religion that has been so damaging around the world.

Does that really matter?

I'm not arguing against the point you make, but I'm arguing the relevance of it. Islam is not a peaceful religion, I agree...most "adherents" to the faith follow it loosely enough that violence is not something they will carry out. Just as most adherents to Christianity will break the laws of their faith and think naught of it, so will the Jews, the Muslims, the Hindus, the Buddhists...humans are not the most loyal creature, and we will often carry out our own desires with a higher priority than a faith...especially if we were raised with the faith rather than having found it during a search for the truth.

The lack of zeal in the religous communities makes the teachings of the major religions nearly irrelevant to society.

www.911uncovered.com (http://www.911uncovered.com)

That should solve the whole "Muslims are responsible for 9/11 and all terrorist attacks omg they are teh 3vil!"

Nobody said Muslims were evil, and I don't even think Muslims are violent people, nor do I give a shit about 9/11 and who did it...Islam is a violent faith, most followers just severely lack in zeal.

The roots of Christianity are from a violent ones. Because they're world was violent. Just because the book doesn't preach it, and I belive that the OT does... doesn't realy matter. It's often strange to see our leaders in church one day, and rallying for war the next.

Joan of Arc lead a fullon assult on the English, she's a saint by the way.

I'd imagine that they're are more Christian "military personelle" than they're are Muslim terrorists.

Freedom fighters are always seen as heros, when they're on our side of course.

Jesus didn't have a wife at all.... or did he?

This guy could walk on water... but couldn't stand to see a fig tree not baring fruit, went nuts.

Up until even the 50's I think, in my country, I saw this man marrying a 12 year old girl.

If Jesus wanted us to belive him, why didn't he just coronicle our future... like a real Nostrodamus, so we could all see, better yet, why isn't he still here with us, showing us the way? People will agrue because he did all that was nessecary, faith, ect. but the truth is, what is the truth? Seems like they're is big flaws in every doctorine.

Your just not going to understand this because it comes from an alien culture, you might be able to have explained to you why some tribes would eat they're own youth in ritual. But you wouldn't understand it, you couldn't see it from they're piont of view. But then what is communion?

The Jews wanted they're Messiah to be war-ike. Burn out a few eye balls... I guess we just have to wait until the last days for that one, when all the sinners burn.

peace

both religions have bloody on thier hands. im pretty sure that christianity has a higher body count. (muslims are isolated geographically, so unless they go walkabout there isn't too many people to kill, christians are explorers and will kill people all over the place). every country has shitloads of deaths at the hands of christians, few have muslim.

quote:Originally posted by RAOVQ:

both religions have bloody on thier hands. im pretty sure that christianity has a higher body count. (muslims are isolated geographically, so unless they go walkabout there isn't too many people to kill, christians are explorers and will kill people all over the place). every country has shitloads of deaths at the hands of christians, few have muslim.

Really ? Name them !

I hope we are not, ONCE AGAIN, confusing Christians with Catholics.

personally i don't assign myself to either religion as i'd prefer to live my own experience instead of basing my beliefs on those who came before me.

i'd agree when you say that christianity has more blood on its hands especially when you hear about all the crusades in history class and stuff.

but in saying that to date its been fine because muslims are geographically isolated might not be the case in present days.

please try and not think of this as a anti islam post, because i dislike all religions that i've come to learn about.

thanks for the discussion so far.

I thought Catholics were Christians

quote:Originally posted by evolove:

I thought Catholics were Christians

That's what I thought, too, but apparently, somehow, being Catholic has canceled out my being a Christian...

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

That's what I thought, too, but apparently, somehow, being Catholic has canceled out my being a Christian...

Haven't you heard? Since Catholics "worship" (Jack Chick's words, not mine) the Virgin Mary, Catholics got kicked out of the Christianity club. Sorry.

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quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Really ? Name them ![QUOTE]

America. That is, the original inhabitants of North America.

[QUOTE]I hope we are not, ONCE AGAIN, confusing Christians with Catholics.

Christianity basically has two branches: Catholicism and Protestantism. (The Mormon Church could possibly be considered a third branch, since they don't consider themselves a part of the other two.) My students tell me all the time, "I'm not Christian; I'm Catholic" and I have to patiently explain to them that, yes, Catholics are Christians, too. (I teach religion to undergraduates.)



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For the record, you can find surahs in the Qur'an that advocate violence, just as you can find verses in the Bible that advocate violence.

Similarly, you can find surahs in the Qur'an that advocate peace, just as you can find verses in the Bible that advocate peace.

quote:



Islam not a peaceful religion



No fucking shit.

But really, half the problem is that they haven't "matured" yet.

Their religion isnt as old as a lot of others, so their still in the "lets kill all the heathens/infidels/other dudes" phase.

Thing is, I don't feel like waiting another 300 years for them to grow out of it.

^

The above post is more or less pure speculation (or more to the point, bullshit), and I will be quite likely to contradict it in the future.

Naziism has little or nothing to do with christianity.

No islam is not a peaceful religion. Nor is christianity or judaism. Feel free to ask me for examples of why christianity (or judaism for that matter) are not peaceful, in ethic and in practice.

and I can assure you there are no buddhist terrorists ore extremisists going around killing people (in response to what someone said up there).

hey shuu, examples would be great... gives me some ammo for the great religon debate that we always seem to have but never have anything constructive to say... apart from making random guesses on what you thought you think you heard..

quote:Originally posted by RAOVQ:

both religions have bloody on thier hands. im pretty sure that christianity has a higher body count. (muslims are isolated geographically, so unless they go walkabout there isn't too many people to kill, christians are explorers and will kill people all over the place). every country has shitloads of deaths at the hands of christians, few have muslim.

Satisfy me about your statictics with a link or some evidence to back you up.

quote:Originally posted by shuu:

and I can assure you there are no buddhist terrorists ore extremisists going around killing people (in response to what someone said up there).

Let me guess, your buddhist yourself?

I've seen Buddhists fight, full on brawls, with other Buddhist, I think it was over who owned or had rights too a piece of land, or temple building or something like that. There have also been 'real' wars between sects before. Perhaps they're arn't any Buddhist terrorists, but that is not nessesarly the piont.

Actually, Buddhist extremists have been killing people for over 20 years in the Civil War in Sri Lanka.

quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

Haven't you heard? Since Catholics "worship" (Jack Chick's words, not mine) the Virgin Mary, Catholics got kicked out of the Christianity club. Sorry.

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Um, sorry, Jack Chick is an idiot. Catholics don't worship Mary. Are you Catholic? Didn't think so.

We are Christians and we don't worship Mary.

Sorry to burst you bubble.

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I'm pretty sure that Social Junker was being sarcastic.

i have a feeling he wasn't

95% of all violence on earth is because of Islam. If you live in an Islamic country you cannot critisize the government or you will be executed for apostacy.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2829059.stm

http://embark.to/AMS

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http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/kafirdomunity/action.htm

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http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/BTaliban/Bangla_Taliban_Photos.html

http://www.topsitelists.com/out.cgi?area=bestsites&user=spoil29&nocheat=1033154536&ID=17&url=http://www.bwoi.cjb.net

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http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

Om Mani Padme Hum.