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Mojo Hojo
2004-08-09, 02:42
3:51 AM, Sunday, August 08, 2004

Written by Mojo Hojo AKA Mojo LaHojo AKA TZ-Builder (Go Battlezone II)

AIM= mojolahojo

Who feels in the mood for a 'ShoveDownTheThroat-a-thon'? I shure do.

I'm watching you kiddies fighting over religion, science, god and I am getting sick and tired of your petty arguements about how the universe was created and where god came from.

*Waves important looking sheet of paper* I have the answer here and I'm willing to share it with you silly folk.

In this episode of "Mojo Hojo Hates You" I will be putting together connections for science and religion so that we can live in frickin harmony. If you do not cooperate I'll burn you at the stake like the witches you are.

Now lets make this into sections; *Mojo Hojo said, "Let there be sections"* How Universe Began, How God Began, How Humans Began, Why He Doesn't Do Anything, Judgement day, Some Paradox Solutions, (and) FAQ. *And there were sections, and they sucked, but they will have to do*

How Universe Began

Lesee, if you visit that Museum of Natural History in NYC around the time I am writing this, you'll see and exhibit about space and the main attraction being how the universe began. The main idea is that you have a void where there is no concept of time or distance and little bubbles of matter pop in and out of the void. One of these bubbles tends to get a little big and explodes in a huge expansion of matter. This is what our scientific folk call *Spooky voice* "The Big Bang" and is the creation of the universe with all the evidence you have being valid. I'm hopeful I pleased the scientific fold in this aspect, I'll please you some more when I support evolution.

How God Began

Now, as we have a giant chaotic bubble developing, we, over time, get the first 'living' entity based on energy that can not die except through an unatural death. Now its creation originated from a freak accident and as chance would have it, won't be happening again for billions of years. Now, when you are aware and floating around in space for a few billion years (with no chance of death except suicide) you tend to get bored, so you take up hobbies and learn stuff like how to control and manipulate the environment around you (we are already doing this with all our studies into genetics and the many other research projects) and how the rules of the universe work (physics). As you gain power over your environment you get imaginative and maybe make a few galaxies there, some stars there, maybe a pretty nebula, but you still follow the rules of physics. As for others, either he got bored and created life for companionship or we had another freak accident but there was already a 'big brother' to limit or teach the new arrival.

How Humans Began

So, we have ourselves a 'god' who tends to like manipulating things and has spent about 13 billions years in space (if scientific calculations of the universe's age are correct anyways). When you get to a certain point you begin to experiment with various things and get more and more complex as you go at which point, he creates his pride and joy; the humans. In his experiments he may have found that life does a lot better with other life if it can reproduce or else we have 1 champion left who lives on forever because there is nobody left to kill him unaturaly. Set some rules for how we live in physical bodies (get old, get diseases, various things to make us not sit on our asses and twindle our thumbs) while our energy and minds go into limbo at death. Give us free will and presto, we have some idiots sitting on a blue rock. As time passes we get get smarter and develop art, culture, love, the concepts of right & wrong, and a whole bunch of other stuff that defines us as humans.

For the sake of pleasing our science folk with evolution; God may made some bacteria and chucked it at a hospitable planet. Whatever happened from there is all Darwin. The human is just what he learned from observing the bacteria develop and gave them the shape he did as to not to disrupt the eco-system *Cute Monkeys* (now imagine if we had deadly claws/teeth as well as our intelligence... We'd have destroyed the world long ago). As well, the need to survive, from our lack of weapons on our bodies, is what forced us to get smarter and finding what we could achieve from getting smarter is what tempted us to learn more... possibly.

Why He Doesn't Do Anything

"Mommy, if god loves us all, why does he allow people to suffer?" Well, when you decide to give people free will on a world that they should be able to survive on quiet confortably, is it not their own fault for causing suffering onto their own species? Yes he love us humans, but he wants us to be independant and learn things for ourselves. Are you going to treat your kid like a child for the rest of his life or are you going to try to push him into the right direction so he/she becomes independant? Bad example but the idea is that he is just observing us and wants us to figure things out for ourselves until we learn to reach out to him. He is omnipresent, doesn't care diddly squat about what you do (same sex marriage, sinning, and all that claptrap) but he does want you to do something (I'm still working out what). And no, he does not want you to run around killing witches and heratics nor does he not want you to do so. He is just watching with an open mind and you will not get any brownie points no matter what you do.

Judgement day

Going to hell? Boolsheet. If you want people to follow guidlines you may give them something to fear as punishment. A mother may lie to her children for their own sakes and when they grow up they can know the truth. Hmm, I'm guessing something along the lines of we developing and him watching until we can directly contact him or the universe collapses. I'm quiet unsure what happens (if it at all happens) when apocalypse arrives and all humans die. Doesn't seem fitting to punish somebody forever (understand what this means) for something they did in a lifespan measuring 50-115 earth revolutions around the sun. I'm still working out what will happen because although Revelations is a nice story, it seems too... humanish with all the fears and emotions that come with it.

Some Paradox Solutions

The only one that currently comes to mind would be "Could god (in all his power) create a rock heavy enough that he couldn't lift it?" Now, unless we are talking a black star material, there would not be enough room in the universe for this rock, he can't change the rules of physics so the universe stays the same size, and there is no up or down, so how is he supposed to 'lift' something when the concept of 'lift' doesn't exist in the situation? Not Applied, N/A, is my answer to this one.

FAQ

Q: But didn't god created(shaped) the universe in a few days?

A: He would need lots of energy to do so in the first place. It would be like a baby learns to live life through being taught and teaching itself, though because there is more time and less danger the child can learn for itself through its own experiances.

Q: Is there a chance there are other bubbles that have exploded and made other universes?

A: Chance there is, but when you consider that we only see time from our perspective in this universe and not in the void outside of our universe, it should be realized that until our universe collapses and time becomes non-existant once again then we may have another universe popup.

Q: How do you know all this?

A: I don't know it 100% though I believe it until something better comes along. As to the how, I am a silly and bored 14 year old sitting in a hotel bathroom on my laptop at 4 AM recalling my discussions with some friends and the connections I have made.

Q: What do you believe?

A: Raised Christian, became scientific athiest around 10, began studying topics most people ignore around 13, made the connections a day ago. Though I'm still against a lot of what the bible says, and I still do not practice anything specifically within the Christian religion as I am just an observer.

And that, is "The Universe in a Nutshell" [TM]. Thank you for watching "Mojo Hojo Hates You" and we hope you'll come back for our next episode. If not, just give us your money as you exit the door. Thank you very much.

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aTribeCalledSean
2004-08-09, 08:01
Awwww that story was cute. BUT THOU SHALT BURN IN AN ETERNITY OF SUFFERING AND HELLFIRES!!!!!

(^^^obvious sarcasm^^^)

Good thought process, however your not at all original. Though, hopefully, it is nice to see you came up with it on your own.

Uncus
2004-08-09, 15:29
quote:Originally posted by Mojo Hojo:

The main idea is that you have a void where there is no concept of time or distance and little bubbles of matter pop in and out of the void.

Where did this void come from ? Where do these bubbles of matter from from ?

What IS this void ?

[This message has been edited by Uncus (edited 08-09-2004).]

icantthinkofaname
2004-08-09, 18:46
quote:Originally posted by Mojo Hojo:

Some Paradox Solutions

The only one that currently comes to mind would be "Could god (in all his power) create a rock heavy enough that he couldn't lift it?" Now, unless we are talking a black star material, there would not be enough room in the universe for this rock, he can't change the rules of physics so the universe stays the same size, and there is no up or down, so how is he supposed to 'lift' something when the concept of 'lift' doesn't exist in the situation? Not Applied, N/A, is my answer to this one.



Surely God not being able to alter the laws of the universe would contradict God's omnipotance.

To lift is an action asociated with applying force upon an object as to raise it above one's head or above its initial position. In relativity an observer (in an inertial frame) can say, quite correctly (whether someone else in another frame says not), that they are at rest. This is due to the symmetry of uniform velocity along a geodesic (straight line). Also due to the symmetry of rotation and translation through space, relative to some origin. Now as God considers him self to be correct (both by relativity and by the definition of a god being omnipotent and hence infalible) up is the direction in which God percieves it to be.

There can be enough room because if a body where to have a finite mass but were to collapse into an infinitesimal space it would have an infinite density (as density=mass/volume and, in this case, density=m/0=infinity). By General Relativity density is also a cause of a gravitational field and according to these rules infinite density yields infinite field strength. As being heavy is a gravitational phenomenon dependant upon the attraction between bodies and not the size of the bodys, an infinitely heavy object, with finite mass, can fit into a finite universe.

[This message has been edited by icantthinkofaname (edited 08-10-2004).]

Optimus Prime
2004-08-09, 18:54
I don't think they claimed god was omnipotent.

Mojo Hojo
2004-08-09, 22:28
quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

Where did this void come from ? Where do these bubbles of matter from from ?

What IS this void ?

[This message has been edited by Uncus (edited 08-09-2004).]

This void always existed and will continue to exist. This void is a lack of energy. Ask the people at the sciency folk over at the Museum of Natural History; they're the ones who claimed it was bubbles, I'm the one who made the connections.

As for omnipotence; From our (silly) views and limitations we see god and we believe him to be omnipotent so we write it down. In fact anything and everything can be broken down into its smaller components so god can die and he is no omni-anything. He is only omnipresent in the scale we view him as. Like putting a person into a box, he will know what is inside the box (being so large) but he is limited to the box and will not be able to see infinitly (even if the box was transparent).

Better explanations required?

Sniper
2004-08-09, 22:37
quote:Q: But didn't god created(shaped) the universe in a few days?

If there was nothing, how the hell could anyone tell when it was day or night..?

We have sun and the Earth is spinning round, due to this we have day and night, and our time count is based on the movement of our planet.

But if there was nothing..? How then..?

Mojo Hojo
2004-08-10, 04:46
quote:Originally posted by Sniper:

If there was nothing, how the hell could anyone tell when it was day or night..?

We have sun and the Earth is spinning round, due to this we have day and night, and our time count is based on the movement of our planet.

But if there was nothing..? How then..?



What? **Confused face**

I am not the one who made the claim that the earth was created in 7 days. I did not make claims (in number) about the earth's creation. Why do you challenge what I have not claimed?

AngryFemme
2004-08-10, 05:02
My head hurts.

*binary glow overload*

[This message has been edited by AngryFemme (edited 08-10-2004).]

Sniper
2004-08-10, 22:10
quote:Originally posted by Mojo Hojo:



What? **Confused face**

I am not the one who made the claim that the earth was created in 7 days. I did not make claims (in number) about the earth's creation. Why do you challenge what I have not claimed?

Mojo Hojo, I did not intend to attack you, I was just thinking...

Mojo Hojo
2004-08-11, 21:16
quote:Originally posted by Sniper:

Mojo Hojo, I did not intend to attack you, I was just thinking...

Oopsy, okies then, sorry.

As for that; I have some ideas. Possibly 7 days is a metaphor, or that somehow, the time it took him to create the earth (or earth as we know it) was converted into days.

I've no true idea on the details, I'm best with the basic concepts put forth.

micho
2004-08-13, 03:15
God was never created.

He was.

He is.

And He is to come.

Mad_Dog
2004-08-13, 03:49
im not raeding all that shit goodbye!