This is something else I don't get. People who don't get hell because God is supposed to be loving. I just read a bit ago that the opposite to this question is, "If God is so just, how can he let anyone into heaven?" of course we know the answer to this, but it puts a nice perspective on things.

It's the same scenario with pregancy/abortion. People know what happens when you have sex. A chance of creating a life is encountered. An individual knows this before partaking of the act, yet decides to do so anyway. They are responsible for the consequences since they knew the possible reprocussions and accepted them by partaking (I'm beating a dead horse because people don't get this. Someone will still probably say something about it).

Anyway, it's the same with a just God. He give you rules to live by and says to do them. If you don't, we know the consequences.

john 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me"

as much as some of us don't wish to admit, the bible says that if we're his sheep we WILL follow him. if we don't, we aren't his sheep so we don't get the benefits of verse 28. "and to THEM do I give everlasting life"

It's from another thread, and I'm sort of busy at the moment so I'm not going to fix it up yet:

quote:If a consequence does not serve the purpose of being a possible teacher, then it is, in my mind, torture. Atleast in my view, I don't think the All Mighty would be cool with torture, that's why I believe if following Jesus' god is the correct way (I am an atheist though) that Hell would be a place that exists forever, but those who go there could still repent if it's out of a newfound love for that which has been stripped of them, rather than for a fear and hatred of the suffering inflicted upon them.

Perhaps it would be like a movie screening of sorts. You are separated from God, feeling the pain from that, while you watch a reel of every sin you have committed in your life, feeling utmost guilt and sorrow for the horrible things you have done. And loop. That is unless you learn from the experience and accept the love God gives, etc.

Though of course, that isn't scriptural. The Bible goes into very little detail on Hell though, so who knows what it would be like were it to exist. As much as this sounds like a 13 year old child pissed at their parents over something stupid, I kind of would like to go to Hell to see what it is like. Though I guess if Christians are correct, I'll have a first class ticket there.

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This post doesn't necessarily apply to xianity only.

I bet a few religeons could explain this from another perspective.

For example, god and his love can be experienced fully when we are 100% true to our nature. Wisdom is knowing what our hearts truly desire. And so if we put faith in wise teachings and follow the example, we will eventually experience the same happiness.

On the flip side, foolishness is not knowing what brings happiness, and so we attempt to acquire it through quick and easy means, which may work for a small time, but eventually it won't at all.

I'm not too keen on the idea of being "sheep". People who proudly proclaim to be "sheep" are void of any thought of their own and for all purposes "dead". I don't need a lay out of "rules" and "morals" to foresee the consequences of my actions. The punishment/reward scenario being your only reason for living a good life is not reason enough to say you actually did live a good life.

You lived a life in fear, you lived a life with limits, you lived a life with far too much of the world unseen. Worst of all you lived this life not for life itself, but because you feared not only living but you feared what comes after living. You do not deserve to waste life in this way, let alone a heavenly kingdom.

Fear is not the key behind the scriptures, life everlasting is not the reward of obedience. For those who understand they shall not experience death!

I don't think that fear should be the motivating factor not to sin. The laws and rules are just like the laws and rules of any nation. They tell you what you can and can not do. However, we generally obey the laws of the nation because we fear the consequences. With the laws of the bible, we are supposed to follow them because we have a love for God and only want to please him. That is to be the motivation.. not saving yourself from hell or going to heaven. Those are ultimate goals, not motivational points.

Yeah, but at the same time bullshit. What ultimate goal is not a motivational point? If we did everything out of love, and love for God, then why would a heaven be needed? If everything you did through your religion really came about from love and not out of fear of nasty consequences, wouldn't this life be heaven? If you walked around all day every day filled with God's love looking around thankful for God's creation appreciating the beauty of it, then why the hell would you need a heaven you selfish prick?

the greed of some people.

I would need heaven because of people like you lol. seriously dude, you're reverting to thinking that what we need is what we get. Nature follows God's rules and that's why there is a heaven. also, you're overlooking the fact that there ARE people like you and some people (believe it or not) that are even worse. Not the most ideal of situations don't you think? Anyway, I obey God because he tells me to. I don't want to go to hell, but that is not why I do what I do. I am happy (key word there) doing what I do. Unfortunately, until you've experienced this, it may be a little hard for you to understand.

Explain to my ign'ant ass what people like me is mas'a, so that I may finally see my eeeeeevil ways and recieve the gift of shame. hooray!

I honestly don't understand what you mean by "people like you". Do you mean people who think for themselves? People who don't make this life out to be pointless by saving any actual meaning for the after life? Which may very well be this life again or absolutely nothing if you're wrong (hey it could happen, just like I could be wrong.)

I realize I am the ignorant unwashed masses, and this is below your oh holiest of holy work but please do explain to me of "my people" and *gasp* even worse. What could be worse then ME? Someone who said if you appreciated life why would you need a heaven? that's true evil there, how dare I ask you to live life for life's sake?

I also realize this post may seem a bit angry and synical, but it's really not. I just have an odd sense of humor. In all seriousness though I don't understand what you mean by "people like me", therefore I can't imagine the idealness of any situation of more people like me so I'm missing a nice chunk of understanding from your post.

I also don't feel that what we need is what we get, I just feel that life is a beautiful thing that's meant to be lived. The funniest part about that is we're both probably on the same side of the arguement, I have a feeling EVERYBODY might be on the same side of that arguement we just use different words which confuse the same meaning into different meanings then we get into a battle of words. Pointless pointless words, merely because we think we live life while others are not and we want them to live life too. We just use different "stories" to describe what that is.

I guess you missed it. I was assuming by my last post that you would see that I was not selfish. I'm not really a prick either. Just trying to make light of your statement. This is probably not the website for you if you take offense to things easily.

see, you are making a mistake here. I never said that I don't think you live life. You may have a very happy and enjoyable life.. I don't really know(i'm resisting the use of any humor so it's not lost). Anyway, what was said was that people who are christians find joy in living for God. Some, I would question whether they are christians or just 'act' part, live because they don't want to go to hell. That's up to God and them.

Long story short, I was explaing why christians are "supposed" to do what they do. It is out of a love for God and not because we're selfish prics who need to be put up on a pedestal above everyone else to watch them as they suffer in hell.

No offense taken, all just a somewhat twisted sense of humor that I suppose if you didn't know what I really cared about or not would confuse. I try not to take anything too seriously I'll never get out of this bitch alive anyway.

But I'm still not clear on what people like me are.

"selfish pricks" wasn't refering to being raised on a pedestal above while watching the peons suffer in hell. It wasn't supposed to be taken seriously either, it was semi-cocky semi-humor. It was more a reference to taking this life for granted. A somewhat sarcastic "oh this world God created for you isn't good enough, huh? Gotta have COMPLETE bliss, ooohh mister prissy pants can't take the world that's got a few assholes in it. Gotta live up on the clouds with mumsy."

Don't feel bad though, I'm often misunderstood, and with a parental-like figure as your God I can understand how some can get their feather's all ruffled. I'm not saying I'm an athiest, I just find that understanding of God to be very limiting. Spirituality is supposed to be freedom from logocentric thinking, to me at least.

I think one of my favorite scripts is 1 Samuel 12:24 "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" basically what that means is that what you do is your business. But, if what you decide is wrong(you have the bible and prayer to guide you) then there are some huge ramifications. That's how I feel about a lot of stuff that has been said on these threads. Most of the views that christians are seen as having are either misrepresented or the source is the belief of a certain sect/individual.

I apologize, someitmes I can't get away from rambling. what I'm basically trying to say is that being a christian doesn't mean you have to think the way that "christians" think. you have to think(and should want to if you are saved) and act the way that God wants you to think/act. and this is where that scripture comes in. It's up to you to determine how you will act.

Now, that doesn't mean that everyone can do what they 'believe' is correct and they'll be alright. God made the universe(this is obviously assuming you're a christian which you are not. but i'm coming from the point of view that you are) and he made certain rules that we are to follow. Kind of like rules of a program. only difference is that he gave us the ability to choose whether or not to follow them.

I think that's what a lot of the discussions fail to touch on. It's not that God loves punishing fools who can't help themselves. It's that God does not want robots so he made us(i.e. free choice) and provided us with guidelines. We can choose to follow or not but we know the consequences.

I hope I made some sense. If I didn't, I'm sure I'll hear about it. you may have to read it twice or so before you can understand. sometimes i'm a little clutsy with my thoughts lol.

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

People who proudly proclaim to be "sheep" are void of any thought of their own and for all purposes "dead".

Baaaaa ... Haha

Nice generalization from someone that does not know me (a sheep).

quote: The punishment/reward scenario being your only reason for living a good life is not reason enough to say you actually did live a good life.

And now you are claiming to know my motives for the life i lead and the life i try to lead.

quote:You lived a life in fear, you lived a life with limits, you lived a life with far too much of the world unseen. Worst of all you lived this life not for life itself, but because you feared not only living but you feared what comes after living. You do not deserve to waste life in this way, let alone a heavenly kingdom.

Not only do you claim to know me and my motives, but you think you know my whole life and the implications of my actions.

Maybe you do, so lets give this an easy test...

What did i do on 5-7-04 at about 8:00 pm?

What was my motive?

Describe to me, how you think this was done in fear?

If heaven is so great, and christians are so sure of going there on faith, why don't you all want to die? If I was a hardcore OSAS christian, I would be hoping for death at every moment.

This is just where our stories begin to differ, choy. I don't view God as the bearded guy in the sky. There are no official rules to life, just some subtleties to the game. Jesus had the game plan down for these subtleties, but the ides of this church and "sheep" with their holy doctrine to decree who is good and who is evil. Fighting off the heathens, and amongst themselves. It appears they have perverted the ideas.

In the end a life worth living is what we're all after, no? Sure we all have different ways of saying this, such as taking God's path, "he with the most stuff at the end wins", yada yada yada. It's a matter of lip service. But in the end, if you had lived God's path to it's fullest extent, or "had the most stuff at the end", or whatever you were after. You look back on it at death's door and (hopefully) say that was a good life, it wasn't wasted, I'd do it again.

I feel if you can say that with each passing moment then this life, this existance, this current moment is your "heaven". Who could ask for anything more?

On the flip side of that would still be regardless of what you called it "hell". Most sins punish themselves, if you're a glutton you're going to get fat ugly and unhealthy, if you lust too much you're gonna break hearts cheating and get a broken windshield or you'll catch a case of crabs, if you're too greedy you'll step on the wrong peole on the way up and recieve some nasty cumuppance, etc. etc. etc. If you lived a life where without a doubt in the eyes of a christian you'd be going to hell, you wouldn't need hell, your life would be hell.

I hope that makes sense, I also have some views on reincarnation that tie in there but feel my thoughts are too confusing as it is so I'll leave that for another day.

xtreem, it's not a matter of me knowing who you are, it's a matter of logic. "Sheep" doesn't exactly bring to mind someone with innovative thought and action, it's someone who sheepily does what their told thinks what their shepard tells them to think. Through this I....you know what, screw it. Think what your shepard wants you to think.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

If heaven is so great, and christians are so sure of going there on faith, why don't you all want to die? If I was a hardcore OSAS christian, I would be hoping for death at every moment.

You want to know why? Because God wants us to live on this earth as a living testimony. He commands us to serve Him everyday wholeheartedly and to be a lamp in this dark world. Sure, if we die, and we truly believe that Jesus saved us, then we would definently go to Heaven but that does not make us want to die everyday but to live everyday as Jesus would so that on that day of judgement, we can stand in front of God Almighty as clean as we can be, as unblemished as possible. Now, humans sin EVERY single day including the best of all Christians however, God is merciful and he has GRACE which allows us to ask for forgiveness and repent. That is all you have to do, once you ask for forgiveness, you have started over once again. One of my Christian teachers once told that concept to me in this way, "Every time you ask for forgiveness and you are forgiven, God cleans your slate. Say, that you steal something again and you ask God, 'Please forgive me father for stealing again.' God would respond, 'Again? What do you mean again?'"

Woah I just noticed my tangent. Sorry http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

it's not a matter of me knowing who you are, it's a matter of logic. "Sheep" doesn't exactly bring to mind someone with innovative thought and action, it's someone who sheepily does what their told thinks what their shepard tells them to think. Through this I....you know what, screw it. Think what your shepard wants you to think.

it wasnt logic, it was generalizing. It was very similar to someone saying that Blacks are good athletes or that Jews are cheap, etc.

Jesus used the terms "sheep", "flock", "shepherd"; (in part) because that was something that people of that time and culture could relate to.

Christians now-days, use the terms now, to express to others their identity. Basically, to say pridefully, "what team i'm from" and that "i have esprit de corps" And humbly, "i want to be more like my Shepherd, but He still loves me".

Granted, i'm sure most Christians haven't broken this down into thought. But i am also sure that if they really are sheep, they would agree... and it wouldnt just be "lip service".

I am also sure that if you asked them whether they "sheepily does what they're told, thinks what they're shepherd tells them to think" and they replied honestly, they probably would tell you no and they would feel ashamed.

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

I am also sure that if you asked them whether they "sheepily does what they're told, thinks what they're shepherd tells them to think" and they replied honestly, they probably would tell you no and they would feel ashamed.

You see, it's statements like that that back up my statement of those who proudly proclaim to be sheep are void of thought and for all purposes dead, my dear sheep. If you sheep feel ashamed when you're not mindless drones, then by all means shut your brain off, pop out your eyeballs, shove lit q-tips deep into your ear drums, and say "bah bah bah bah bah bah" so you can't hear any new ideas or lines of thinking. So that you may never experience another day for yourself again. Yes, my dear sheep, simply wait to die. GOOD CHOICE!

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quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

This is just where our stories begin to differ, choy. I don't view God as the bearded guy in the sky. There are no official rules to life, just some subtleties to the game. Jesus had the game plan down for these subtleties, but the ides of this church and "sheep" with their holy doctrine to decree who is good and who is evil. Fighting off the heathens, and amongst themselves. It appears they have perverted the ideas.

In the end a life worth living is what we're all after, no? Sure we all have different ways of saying this, such as taking God's path, "he with the most stuff at the end wins", yada yada yada. It's a matter of lip service. But in the end, if you had lived God's path to it's fullest extent, or "had the most stuff at the end", or whatever you were after. You look back on it at death's door and (hopefully) say that was a good life, it wasn't wasted, I'd do it again.

I feel if you can say that with each passing moment then this life, this existance, this current moment is your "heaven". Who could ask for anything more?

On the flip side of that would still be regardless of what you called it "hell". Most sins punish themselves, if you're a glutton you're going to get fat ugly and unhealthy, if you lust too much you're gonna break hearts cheating and get a broken windshield or you'll catch a case of crabs, if you're too greedy you'll step on the wrong peole on the way up and recieve some nasty cumuppance, etc. etc. etc. If you lived a life where without a doubt in the eyes of a christian you'd be going to hell, you wouldn't need hell, your life would be hell.

I hope that makes sense, I also have some views on reincarnation that tie in there but feel my thoughts are too confusing as it is so I'll leave that for another day.

xtreem, it's not a matter of me knowing who you are, it's a matter of logic. "Sheep" doesn't exactly bring to mind someone with innovative thought and action, it's someone who sheepily does what their told thinks what their shepard tells them to think. Through this I....you know what, screw it. Think what your shepard wants you to think.



*tear*

beautifully put my friend. I've always felt that way. Jesus even says that "the kingdom of God is here, within us, now". That supports his idea. But you can't take scripture on the nature of heaven, it condradicts itself many times over.

I digress.

I just wanted to say I loved the analysis.

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

it wasnt logic, it was generalizing. It was very similar to someone saying that Blacks are good athletes or that Jews are cheap, etc.

Jesus used the terms "sheep", "flock", "shepherd"; (in part) because that was something that people of that time and culture could relate to.

Christians now-days, use the terms now, to express to others their identity. Basically, to say pridefully, "what team i'm from" and that "i have esprit de corps" And humbly, "i want to be more like my Shepherd, but He still loves me".

Granted, i'm sure most Christians haven't broken this down into thought. But i am also sure that if they really are sheep, they would agree... and it wouldnt just be "lip service".

I am also sure that if you asked them whether they "sheepily does what they're told, thinks what they're shepherd tells them to think" and they replied honestly, they probably would tell you no and they would feel ashamed.



#1. Blacks are raw as hell at sports.

#2. Jews are the thriftiest motherfuckers around.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

If heaven is so great, and christians are so sure of going there on faith, why don't you all want to die? If I was a hardcore OSAS christian, I would be hoping for death at every moment.

I do, in a way.

When life is really getting to me, I say, "Lord, come soon." shortly followed by, "Lord, your will be done.".

I get frustrated pretty easily with life, and I find myself consoling "myself" by reminding "myself" that I will be in Heaven soon.

I can't imagine being this frustrated and then just "dying".

How lame.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I do, in a way.

When life is really getting to me, I say, "Lord, come soon." shortly followed by, "Lord, your will be done.".

I get frustrated pretty easily with life, and I find myself consoling "myself" by reminding "myself" that I will be in Heaven soon.

I can't imagine being this frustrated and then just "dying".

How lame.

It's nice to see you admit that. I don't believe in OSAS or Faith alone salvation. Mathew 25:36 - chapter 26 (the sheep vs. goat scripture) as I'm sure your aware of supports this. You must do things that live your chritianity, now I'm not saying that salvation comes by works alone, I'm just saying that we are accountable for all of our actions in front of God, So you can't be a complete asshole and expect to get off scot-free on faith alone. I think on average, a faithful christian will not be doing horrible acts, but I like the idea that everyone, no-matter the faith, can follow Jesus in the way they act.

That's sad, Digi. I don't want you to die. You seem to have a head on your shoulders and have a good idea on what's going on. Which I suppose would go hand in hand with the comforting thought of Heaven's embrace coming soon now that I think about it.

Requesting to die from such a religious zealot isn't a very reassuring affirmation. I mean what hope is there for the rest of us if the faithful don't have faith that this life is a life worth living after all.

I realize there's a lot of jerks out there and I can come off as one of 'em from time to time, but the world is somewhat of a giant game of "I ain't scared of you!" and "That don't hurt!" I don't like that it's like this but I deal, and the strongest comforts come when you can break this mentality and reach actual humanity once more. With a friend, or even with a stranger, even for a moment. You have to make yourself somewhat vulnerable for this, but who cares, the reward of humanity and love is far greater then any superficial pain that could be inflicted. Not even pain, just embarrassement, which is really such a silly emotion. Why is it still around?

I know I proabably sound like some aging hippie liberal douche to some of you with statements like these, but I don't care. smile on your brother, everybody get together....learn to love one another, right now.

so there.

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

That's sad, Digi. I don't want you to die. You seem to have a head on your shoulders and have a good idea on what's going on. Which I suppose would go hand in hand with the comforting thought of Heaven's embrace coming soon now that I think about it.

Requesting to die from such a religious zealot isn't a very reassuring affirmation. I mean what hope is there for the rest of us if the faithful don't have faith that this life is a life worth living after all.

I realize there's a lot of jerks out there and I can come off as one of 'em from time to time, but the world is somewhat of a giant game of "I ain't scared of you!" and "That don't hurt!" I don't like that it's like this but I deal, and the strongest comforts come when you can break this mentality and reach actual humanity once more. With a friend, or even with a stranger, even for a moment. You have to make yourself somewhat vulnerable for this, but who cares, the reward of humanity and love is far greater then any superficial pain that could be inflicted. Not even pain, just embarrassement, which is really such a silly emotion. Why is it still around?

I know I proabably sound like some aging hippie liberal douche to some of you with statements like these, but I don't care. smile on your brother, everybody get together....learn to love one another, right now.

so there.

What I said was taken out of context.

As a human, without faith, or hope that there IS a Heaven after death, I can't imagine the pointlessness I would feel.

What I was getting at is that life is not a bowl of cherries for Christians, just because they believe in God.

We still get depressed, angry, overwrought with grief, and we stumble, just like everyone else does.

It is God that has gotten me through the toughest of my days (i.e. the loss of my daughter), and I doubt I would be sitting here as a functional member of society if He had not been there with me.

Through God, I can do all things, including surviving this planet of pain. Do I like being here ? NO. Why ? Because I know there is a better place waiting for me.

It is like being a child, waiting for weeks on end for that trip to Disney Land. You have a nice, comfortable home, with plenty of toys, lots of nice clothes, and 3 squares a day. It's warm, and inviting, but all you can think about is getting the heck out of there, so that you can get to Disney Land. (bad analogy, I know, but...it works)

That is not exactly parallel, because I have not found much in this life to be happy about...but that is changing. (doesn't mean I want to be here any longer than I have to be)

I recently moved to a beautiful coniferous forest. I live at the foot of a majestic mountain, and enjoy breathtaking views from my 3rd story apartment.

I have a brand new baby, that brings me a great deal of joy, and a 5 year old that never ceases in finding ways to make me laugh.

I have a wonderful, sweet husband, and a fantastic job.

What makes it all hard to appreciate, is the past. (almost afraid to enjoy it *lol*) This is something personal that I am dealing with, and it will take time. Healing takes time.

But that is irrespective of the fact that I can always turn to God in my darkest hours, and He sets me straight. I couldn't possibly imagine this occuring of my own accord. It's far too complicated to just say, "I ain't gonna be sad anymore." It doesn't work like that.

So, what I was getting at is that I am not exempt from life's hardships, nor the despair that can come from experiencing them.

But I do have God on my side, and that makes it so much easier to "make it" every day. (this is NOT why I believe in Him, it is simply a perk)

I appreciate that you don't want me to die, but if you had your wish, I wouldn't ever go to Heaven ! *laughs* http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Your mentality would do well, if it were to spread. With or without God, it would be great if people could be more decent.

"You believe in God ?! You must be a moron."

I mean, what kind of logic is that ?! http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

The hope for those that don't believe in God lies within themselves. And I don't know anyone who can offer THEMSELVES salvation, no matter WHAT they claim. So, there is truly no hope at all, from within.

I don't request to die. I ask that the Lord will come soon, so I can stop suffering the pains of this planet. Catch my drift ?

I know I have work to do, and I know He isn't done yet, either. It would just be nice if I could be there already...

I wasn't trying to sound depressing. Just transparent.

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

That's sad, Digi. I don't want you to die. You seem to have a head on your shoulders and have a good idea on what's going on. Which I suppose would go hand in hand with the comforting thought of Heaven's embrace coming soon now that I think about it.

Requesting to die from such a religious zealot isn't a very reassuring affirmation. I mean what hope is there for the rest of us if the faithful don't have faith that this life is a life worth living after all.

I realize there's a lot of jerks out there and I can come off as one of 'em from time to time, but the world is somewhat of a giant game of "I ain't scared of you!" and "That don't hurt!" I don't like that it's like this but I deal, and the strongest comforts come when you can break this mentality and reach actual humanity once more. With a friend, or even with a stranger, even for a moment. You have to make yourself somewhat vulnerable for this, but who cares, the reward of humanity and love is far greater then any superficial pain that could be inflicted. Not even pain, just embarrassement, which is really such a silly emotion. Why is it still around?

I know I proabably sound like some aging hippie liberal douche to some of you with statements like these, but I don't care. smile on your brother, everybody get together....learn to love one another, right now.

so there.



Word.

Eat Mushrooms.

Smoke Ganj.

Drink a brew.

Do the dew. hahaha

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

You see, it's statements like that that back up my statement of those who proudly proclaim to be sheep are void of thought and for all purposes dead, my dear sheep. If you sheep feel ashamed when you're not mindless drones, then by all means shut your brain off, pop out your eyeballs, shove lit q-tips deep into your ear drums, and say "bah bah bah bah bah bah" so you can't hear any new ideas or lines of thinking. So that you may never experience another day for yourself again. Yes, my dear sheep, simply wait to die. GOOD CHOICE!

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Gee, ok.. thanks for the advice...i'm so glad that i had the opportunity to talk to someone that has a mind. You are a wonder, that you can both think for yourself and for us sheep. I'm just wondering if you bought that ability from the Marlboro Miles Catalog. <<hint, send it back...it's defective>>

I'm off to go buy some Q-tips...bah, bah, bah, bah etc.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:



#1. Blacks are raw as hell at sports.

#2. Jews are the thriftiest motherfuckers around.



I know plenty from group #1 and group #2 that dont fit these catagories... thanks for proving the "generalization" statement http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:



I know plenty from group #1 and group #2 that dont fit these catagories... thanks for proving the "generalization" statement http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

I like to call my earlier statement a little something called, sarcasm.

oh and if you hadn't heard yet.

Asians are great at math.

Blondes are stupid.

Mexicans are dirty and lazy.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

I like to call my earlier statement a little something called, sarcasm.



Sarcasm or not, it still proves generalization.

So again, thanks. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

Sarcasm or not, it still proves generalization.

So again, thanks. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

No it didn't. Because I wasn't serious.

serious or not, generalization wasn't what I was doing. I started showing my train of thought, but then realized your just a hot headed little SOB who wouldn't understand anyway.

You want to be pissed at me, so go at it.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I recently moved to a beautiful coniferous forest. I live at the foot of a majestic mountain, and enjoy breathtaking views from my 3rd story apartment.

I have a brand new baby, that brings me a great deal of joy, and a 5 year old that never ceases in finding ways to make me laugh.

I have a wonderful, sweet husband, and a fantastic job.

This is my point of making your own heaven/hell right here on earth. I understand we all have our personal demons to battle through. Which, like you said, takes time and some what of a desire to heal. You get help from something inside, some may call it "God", some just some will to live, others just plain hard headedness or disillusioned foolishness. Again words prove ambiguous, but the point behind all the stories seem to be the same.

I appreciate you having no problem with being transparent. That shows a certain vulnerability most can't allow themselves to show, even if it is to faceless strangers via internet. Through what you've revealed, however, it would appear that you wouldn't be so miserable in this life if you never knew about heaven. I'm led to believe this through your disney world analogy, If I'm misunderstanding please let me now. On the flip of that, however, it would appear that without the God of this heaven you wouldn't be able to deal with the hardships dealt to you in this life as you do now with God. You seem to find yourself in somewhat of a delicate conundrum.

But I am sure that we are all in delicate conundrums of our own respects, especially dealing with our belief structures. Some or probably leaning more towards some sort of sardonic riddle. The difference between our plights seems to be I view things metaphorically and symbollically, as you take things in the literal sense. I understand it's your belief, and I don't want to keep you from getting into heaven. I would just like to have you find a little more heaven here on earth. There is love in all those around you some are just really good at hiding it. When you make yourself vulnerable in this manner, well some will attack and prey on it but those are the fools who know not what they do, but a lot more people then you think respond in a positive manner. People want to be happy so through no great effort on your own you can make them happy and in turn yourself happy. Just a connection to be made.

But I fear that's getting more into some sort of psychology.

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

serious or not, generalization wasn't what I was doing. I started showing my train of thought, but then realized your just a hot headed little SOB who wouldn't understand anyway.

You want to be pissed at me, so go at it.



Sorry if you felt that way. My intent was to "mirror" the "angry attitude" that i percieved from you. Im far from hot headed, but if you feel that way, it is your choice.

edited for clarity--replaced "your" with "the"..and added "that i percieved from you"

[This message has been edited by xtreem5150ahm (edited 08-15-2004).]

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