France is aggressively expelling Muslims who preach hatred according to this August 9, 2004 article in the Wall Street Journal:

http://www.geocities.com/milkmandan2003/FranceExpelsMuslims1.html

http://www.geocities.com/milkmandan2003/FranceExpelsMuslims2.html

http://www.geocities.com/milkmandan2003/FranceExpelsMuslims3.html

Also see:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2829059.stm

this may be a silly thing, but i don't belive things posted on geocities sites.

and the bbc link is about one cleric who got jail. hardly "aggressively expelling Muslims".

No one cares Sam.

Keep it up Sam, and I'll run to Zok again.

Here's the France article here:

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=61407

"France is aggressively expelling Muslims who preach hatred "



Good.

Two men arrested in missile sting operation

WASHINGTON, D.C. (CNN) -- The imam and the founder of an Albany, New York, mosque are being held after an FBI sting operation in which the suspects believed they were helping a terrorist launder money, federal law enforcement sources said Thursday.

The suspects are Yasin Aref, a 34-year-old Iraqi with asylum status who is the imam at the Masjid As-Salam mosque, and founder Mohammed Hossain, 49, a native of Bangladesh and a U.S. citizen.

They were apprehended when they allegedly agreed to launder the money from the sale of a shoulder-fired missile, the criminal complaint says.

The men are charged with money laundering and conspiring to conceal support and resources "knowing and intending that they are to be used in preparation for, and in carrying out a violation of" a U.S. law banning unlawful use of weapons of mass destruction.

Community to hold rally

At an arraignment Thursday, both were ordered held without bail. Hossain requested his own attorney; Aref, through an interpreter, said he wanted a court-appointed lawyer.

About a dozen family and friends were in the courtroom. Several cried.

The mosque's president, Shamshad Ahmad, released a statement decrying "all forms of terrorism" and expressing concern about anti-Muslim backlash and hate crimes. He called on people not to draw conclusions from the arrests.

The Muslim community planned to hold a rally Thursday evening.

Federal law enforcement sources said the men are believed to be connected with Ansar al-Islam, a terrorist organization with links to the Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. U.S. officials suspect al-Zarqawi has links to al Qaeda.

Investigators suspected Aref of shipping money from the United States to Islamist radicals overseas, so they came up with the sting operation, a federal law enforcement source said.

The complaint says an undercover FBI informant told the two men he would use a missile against Pakistan's ambassador to the United Nations in retaliation for that country's support of the U.S.-led war on terrorism.

The informant gave the men thousands of dollars in checks and cash, saying the funds to be laundered were proceeds from the purported importation of a missile and that they could keep some money in exchange for their help, according to the complaint.

The informant told the two men that the attack would take place at an address that fronts the U.N. headquarters in New York, the complaint said.

At a news conference, federal officials would not say what information led them to suspect Aref and Hossain.

The investigation began a year ago, and was conducted by the Joint Terrorism Task Force, which includes federal, state and local authorities.

The informant had previously pleaded guilty to document fraud, a felony, and agreed to work with authorities, the complaint said.

Deputy U.S. Attorney General James Comey told reporters the undercover informant struck up a relationship with the two men, and Hossain asked the informant's help in fraudulently securing a New York driver's permit for his brother.

Hossain told the informant that he believed now is not the time for "violent jihad," Comey said.

But when the informant proposed the laundering scheme, Hossain agreed, and suggested that Aref assist, Comey said.

The FBI has audio and video recordings of various conversations, he said. The informant told the two men he wanted to provide arms to his "brother mujahedeen," according to the complaint.

The men received about $40,000 in cash and returned $25,000 in cash, Comey said. Under the scheme, they were allowed to keep some of the money.

"This is not a case where the defendants were plotting terrorist violence," Comey said.

Raids on mosque, homes

After the arrests, authorities spent about seven hours at the mosque and two houses, a government official said.

Aref's wife, Zuhur, 33, said that the FBI took her and her three children at 2 a.m. to a hotel for questioning. She declined to say what officials asked her about and said she was unaware of what charges her husband faces.

After the charges were described to her, she responded, "I have no idea about that. I don't think so."

Hossain's wife, Mossammat, told the Albany Times Union that her husband had returned home at 1:30 a.m. from a trip to New York City when the FBI arrived at the couple's apartment above the Little Italy pizzeria they operate.

The newspaper said agents took $6,000 in cash, a computer hard drive and assorted personal records.

In June, Hossain told the paper, "I'm proud to be an American," calling the country a "great land."

Albany Mayor Jerry Jennings said city and state police worked together with the FBI.

"It's been an ongoing investigation, and obviously the results are good," he said. "This is something we've anticipated. People shouldn't be concerned because we've been on top of this for quite awhile."

Albany was one of 50 U.S. cities to be appropriated several million dollars by the Department of Homeland Security in late 2003. The New York capital was earmarked for $6.8 million, according to the Times Union.

In August 2003, a British citizen was arrested for allegedly attempting to smuggle shoulder-fired missiles into the United States. In that case, Hemant Lakhani, 69, is accused of buying a fake missile from undercover Russian agents and trying to sell it to a man claiming to represent a Somali group. The man instead was a cooperating witness for the United States.

Lakhani is scheduled to go to trial November 3. Two other men already have pleaded guilty to transferring money illegally.



http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/05/ny.missile.sting/index.html

Look at this, too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2829059.stm

http://www.twin-towers.net/al-farooq_photos.htm

people don't bother with links, or reading big chunks of copied crap.

if you have a point to make, make it, cause no one read any of that.

Muslim extremists are threatening the Dutch:

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19&story_id=10715

This is for you ignorant leftists. Read it and weep.

http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

As RAOVQ said, you're not getting through to anyone, Sam. Do you honestly believe that most (if any) of us will be willing to read pages and pages of crap with no real input from you? People come to totse for discussion, not link after link, pasted articles galore. So, here's a crazy idea : give us YOUR opinion, in YOUR own words, then we can talk.

I reckon other countries should be doing the same....

quote:Originally posted by UnknownVeritas:

As RAOVQ said, you're not getting through to anyone, Sam. Do you honestly believe that most (if any) of us will be willing to read pages and pages of crap with no real input from you? People come to totse for discussion, not link after link, pasted articles galore. So, here's a crazy idea : give us YOUR opinion, in YOUR own words, then we can talk.



Word.

I've been trying to say that for a while, but Sam just cracks me up.

quote:Originally posted by UnknownVeritas:

As RAOVQ said, you're not getting through to anyone, Sam. Do you honestly believe that most (if any) of us will be willing to read pages and pages of crap with no real input from you? People come to totse for discussion, not link after link, pasted articles galore.

Well, then why isn't there ever anydiscussion about this ? Are you all waiting for Sam to start one ?

there is no discussion for a few reasons.

the thread is flooded with links and copied articles, which never helps.

there has been no points of view presented.

the links are either so dodgy as to not warrant comment or they are not what is described.

this guy just posts crap constantly. his other username is sam, and he posts alot in conspiracy. i have never seen a point of view by him.

a forum is not where you post links and vauge comments about random things and then bitch when there is no discussion. it is about the sharing of ideas and opinions. there is none of either here, so how can there be discussion about the topic?

"Well, then why isn't there ever any discussion about this ? Are you all waiting for Sam to start one ?"

Yeah, Uncus, we must be a big pack of morons to actually expect the thread starter to begin a real discussion.

France bans Hezbollah TV

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?mode=hybrid&t=6458



You leftists are just making yourselves look like morons in front of the normal people who read my links.

trust me on this one, no one is reading your links.

quote:Originally posted by RAOVQ:

people don't bother with links, or reading big chunks of copied crap.

if you have a point to make, make it, cause no one read any of that.

And yet when someone doesn't post references, or support their opinions with facts, they are attacked and called colorful (useful) things like "retard", or "douchebag". (my own personal experience)

Stop being hypocritical, and say something that actually resembles the format of a debate, please.

quote:Originally posted by UnknownVeritas:

As RAOVQ said, you're not getting through to anyone, Sam. Do you honestly believe that most (if any) of us will be willing to read pages and pages of crap with no real input from you? People come to totse for discussion, not link after link, pasted articles galore. So, here's a crazy idea : give us YOUR opinion, in YOUR own words, then we can talk.

So, opinions cannot be displayed via the writing's of others ?

Is it not apparent what his opinion is, based on the themes of these links ?

I don't get it...there are all these "hidden" rules to being heard honestly on Totse.

quote:Originally posted by RAOVQ:

there is no discussion for a few reasons.

the thread is flooded with links and copied articles, which never helps.

there has been no points of view presented.

the links are either so dodgy as to not warrant comment or they are not what is described.

this guy just posts crap constantly. his other username is sam, and he posts alot in conspiracy. i have never seen a point of view by him.

a forum is not where you post links and vauge comments about random things and then bitch when there is no discussion. it is about the sharing of ideas and opinions. there is none of either here, so how can there be discussion about the topic?

Links and copied articles are all ANYONE ever posts on totse, except for the extremists that just demand respect for their uneducated, overly hostile opinions.

By the way, I understand that Sam is annoying, and I don't support him.

I am just trying to point out the hypocrisy.

Don't forget the bali bomber. He was an imam, too.

http://www.inreview.com/archive/topic/3534.html

what does it all mean, sam? Are you trying to make some point about something?

Oh, and for the record, I am a leftist, and I still read your articles.

[This message has been edited by Furyion (edited 08-19-2004).]

Our militaries have to keep pushing onward to liberate the people under the control of the Islamic theocracies. Many Iranians want democracy and want to get rid of the theocracy running the country. We can help them do it. Iran right now contributes a lot to world terrorism. If the present government was overthrown and replaced by a democracy it would lessen terrorism in the world.



See

http://forum.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?t=3308

[This message has been edited by Bush for president (edited 08-19-2004).]

Digital Savior :

I would much rather have a discussion with someone about their own feelings, in their own words. Yes, some use other's writings to convey their thoughts, but without any personal input it's a completely empty debate.

I do realize Sam's position... I'm sure we all do, but the point is that all he EVER uses are links and articles from a narrow perspective. The only times I have ever seen him actually type something on his own, it consists of "You stupid leftists, you like Muslims, you suck". How in the hell does this qualify as a discussion starter??

"Links and copied articles are all ANYONE ever posts on totse, except for the extremists that just demand respect for their uneducated, overly hostile opinions."

I smell bullshit. Maybe I just spend too much time in Humanities or My God, but it seems that there are plenty of people visiting totse that simply want a good discussion with other human beings. If everyone simply posted links, I wouldn't be coming to Totse... at all (as you can see from my disgust towards Sam). And, if I may ask, who the hell are you to be stating that anyone with a genuine opinion on a topic is an "uneducated, overly hostile extremist"??

I'll be waiting for your reply.

Digital Savior.

The popoint is that people actually say stuff in their own words first. Then after a debate or supporting their own words, they post links.

Not just....... (a la Sam aka Bush for President)....

"Hey I hate muslims and liberals, read this....."

www.fuckingbrownies.com/hateliteratureSamsupports.htm (http://www.fuckingbrownies.com/hateliteratureSamsupports.htm)

www.subtlehintsathowmuchihatebrownpeople.org/letskillthemuslims/rightnow.htm (http://www.subtlehintsathowmuchihatebrownpeople.org/letskillthemuslims/rightnow.htm)

www.ifyouare.act/ually/reading/this/stuff/you/mustbe/aretard.html (http://www.ifyouare.act/ually/reading/this/stuff/you/mustbe/aretard.html)

the original post was not even-

quote:france is expelling muslims, i think its good, what do you think?

*link*

it was a comment that had nothing to do with the articles of questionable authenticity. as i said, the original link he posted from the BBC had nothing to do with the comment. what the hell do i comment on?

and his links don't count as references. they are geocities sites, random vigilante propaganda sites and race hate sites. i don't belive anything they say.

quote:Stop being hypocritical, and say something that actually resembles the format of a debate, please.

a debate about what? one of the 50 or so unrelated links he has posted in this thread alone? his random insensible comments about leftists and muslims? the only possible debate that can happen in a thread by sam is the one we are having now.

quote:So, opinions cannot be displayed via the writing's of others ?

these are news articles. if they were respectable then they should have no bias. if they have bias then they shouldn't be belived. its a catch 22, if there is an opinion then the article is shit and should not be entered into a debate.

quote:I don't get it...there are all these "hidden" rules to being heard honestly on Totse.

hidden? its a forum, not a news ticker. if he wants to submit article after article then he is in the wrong place. this is a stupid argument, he has not posted anything that is in anyway constructive. he doesn't even bother to tell us what we are supposed to get angry/upset/happy/bored about. its just link after link. ITS NOT A FUCKING TOPIC, ITS A LINK!

anyway, in what proves me most right is the fact that sam has an audience in this thread, and he still just posts bylines from articles. he could do what he does without a keyboard. WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO SAM?

Barbaric laws in Canada?



quote:

Homa Arjomand knows what it's like to live under sharia law. In Iran, she endured it until someone tipped her off that she was about to be arrested and imprisoned. Many of her activist friends had already been tried and executed. She, her husband and two small children (the youngest was barely one) escaped on a gruelling trip by horseback through the mountains. That was in 1989 ...More



http://www.nosharia.com/eng.htm

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040529/COWENT29/Columnists/Idx

Pro-Bin Laden politician granted entry into Norway

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/002926.php

http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2829059.stm

http://embark.to/AMS

http://atheism.about.com/cs/islamandviolence/

http://www.twin-towers.net/al-farooq_photos.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/08/17/martyr.culture/index.html

http://muslim-quotes.netfirms.com/jihad.html

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/amil30611.htm

http://www.domini.org/openbook/home.htm

http://www.persecution.org/news/PR_2002/alert2002-08-16.html

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9583

http://www.danielpipes.org/

http://uk.geocities.com/rami_thekafir/articles.htm#13

http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/kafirdomunity/aboutus.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/kafirdomunity/action.htm

http://www.hraic.org/

http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/Islam.html

http://www.geocities.com/khola_mon/BTaliban/Bangla_Taliban_Photos.html

http://www.topsitelists.com/out.cgi?area=bestsites&user=spoil29&nocheat=1033154536&ID=17&url=http://www.bwoi.cjb.net

http://www.chechentruth.cjb.net/

http://www.geocities.com/the_awful_truth_about_islam/index.htm

http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

Wow, I never thought I'd say this.

You are right Sam.

Keep posting your links, maybe all these stupid liberals will stop being ignorant.

Islam is hate.

all religions are essentially fear and hate.

Another one was arrested.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-08-26-uk-cleric_x.htm

quote:Originally posted by RAOVQ:

people don't bother with links, or reading big chunks of copied crap.

if you have a point to make, make it, cause no one read any of that.

Most people do. Those who don't care about educating themselves don't.

I would judge by your statement that you are among the group that doesn't.

Fair 'nuf, ya'll...I agree that he should be putting at least SOME dialogue of his own, and wasn't saying that he shouldn't.

What I was saying is that you can either ignore him, or offer some sort of reply, based on the information he posted.

quote:Originally posted by UnknownVeritas:

Digital Savior :

I would much rather have a discussion with someone about their own feelings, in their own words. Yes, some use other's writings to convey their thoughts, but without any personal input it's a completely empty debate.

I do realize Sam's position... I'm sure we all do, but the point is that all he EVER uses are links and articles from a narrow perspective. The only times I have ever seen him actually type something on his own, it consists of "You stupid leftists, you like Muslims, you suck". How in the hell does this qualify as a discussion starter??

"Links and copied articles are all ANYONE ever posts on totse, except for the extremists that just demand respect for their uneducated, overly hostile opinions."

I smell bullshit. Maybe I just spend too much time in Humanities or My God, but it seems that there are plenty of people visiting totse that simply want a good discussion with other human beings. If everyone simply posted links, I wouldn't be coming to Totse... at all (as you can see from my disgust towards Sam). And, if I may ask, who the hell are you to be stating that anyone with a genuine opinion on a topic is an "uneducated, overly hostile extremist"??

I'll be waiting for your reply.



Sorry...didn't see this until just now. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

I agree. It's empty without some form of personal contribution.

You are also right about his immature ascertions that everyone who doesn't agree with him, or his posting methods, are leftist morons.

For the most part (from what I have seen) there are two kinds of posters here...the kind that post links to support their opinions, and those that just try and start arguments. (no links, calling names, etc.) That was what I was getting at, in a shorter, more concise fashion. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Some people are here to have a good conversation...others are here to have a good argument.

Hope my reply was suffient.

DEATH TO ISLAM!!!

Good enough, Savior.

I think everyone realizes that Sam truly contributes little or nothing to totse... if not humanity as a whole.

"For the most part (from what I have seen) there are two kinds of posters here...the kind that post links to support their opinions, and those that just try and start arguments."

Depends. Many discussions here are based solely on opinions and, therefore, input from others. If the debate has to do with facts, as in political discussions or historical topics, it is best to include some evidence of research. Otherwise, all we have is some possible insight from our fellow totse members.

True, many do turn into internet pissing contests where neither side has any worthwhile evidence. I try to steer clear of those. It's just... when I've seen so many threads started by Sam's incredibly narrow minded perspective, I can't avoid the urge to try and get something... anything out of him.

Ugg, I'm done rambling for now. Nice talking with you though, Savior. At least you are willing to reply with an intelligent conversation... unlike... "DEATH TO ISLAM!!!" - Sam.

DEATH TO ISLAM!!!!!!!