I give to charity, I forgive easily, I like to think I'm friendly, I'm passionate about art, music and literiture. I see beauty is most things and look for the good in people. I am not a christian and I do not believe in God, I believe Christ was a smart and a good man, but I do not follow him. I am a pagan, I worship what keeps me alive, I worship the earth and I believe in its preservation. I look after nature and I only lie rarely. But what if there is Christianity, what if there is a God? Am I going to hell?

It is such a difficult affirmation, and seems that Christians are the brunt of God's law.

But I have to say that it is clearly written in the Bible what is required of you in order to receive salvation, and thus everlasting life (Heaven).

You MUST believe that Jesus died in redemption of your sins, and that God is the creator of all things.

What you "do" matters very little. Paul says (I believe it is in Romans) that all our righteousness are as filthy rags.

This means that no matter how "good" you are, it doesn't make a bit of difference when it comes to the eternal state of your soul.

I hope this answers your question.

I thought as much. Just goes to prove that the bible was written in mind to have us believe in it all and that no-matter what you do you have to be a christian. Middle of the road, do no sin, but it doesnt really matter if you do good. Well done you sheep, do as we all say.

yes it matters how you live your life. You have to Obey Christ, try to anyway.

quote:Originally posted by Homesniper:

I thought as much. Just goes to prove that the bible was written in mind to have us believe in it all and that no-matter what you do you have to be a christian. Middle of the road, do no sin, but it doesnt really matter if you do good. Well done you sheep, do as we all say.

The Bible does not ascertain that you must be a Christian. You are thinking of it as a religion. To be a Christian is to be Christ-like. That has nothing to do with religion.

You don't have to be a "Christian", you just have to give God the honor and respect that He deserves.

"Middle-of-the-road" would mean that you were on neither side. Riding the fence, per se.

To say "do no sin" is to ask us to accomplish the impossible. God knew that, and that is why He sent His son to be the bearer of that sin...to die in redemption of it all.

We try and model our lives around the life of Christ, because his was the best example, in our opinion.

It is pretty obtuse of you to call us sheep...especially me. You don't know me, and apparently don't care that people who believe in God can be intelligent, too.

To be likened to a sheep would indicate that we are mindless, and easily led.

People that hold to this belief obviously don't know any Christians. It must be easier to believe that all Christians are idiots...I assure you, that is not the case.

We had the same questions, apprehensions, doubt, and animosity that anyone else does. We weren't born this way...for some, it took longer to find the narrow path that God calls us to follow.

You asked a question, and I honestly answered it, based on Biblical teachings.

Your reply seems pretty angry.

Why do you ask questions you don't want to know the answers to ?

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

yes it matters how you live your life. You have to Obey Christ, try to anyway.

We are told to live our lives a certain way, in order to achieve ultimate contentment while on this earth. (that is the only reason why it matters)

Sin creates misery...and God does not want us to suffer.

But in the end, we're all sinners, regardless of how "good" we are, or how much we do for our fellow man. Which means we're all even.

The only difference between us all is whether or not we have chosen to recognize God as our savior.

Nothing else really matters, in regards to the eternal state of your soul.

I am not sure if you were disagreeing, or agreeing with me, so I am trying to clarify.

quote:Originally posted by Homesniper:

I thought as much. Just goes to prove that the bible was written in mind to have us believe in it all and that no-matter what you do you have to be a christian. Middle of the road, do no sin, but it doesnt really matter if you do good. Well done you sheep, do as we all say.



Look bro, you asked the question. You obviously were expecting this answer. You had to know that only those who accept christ as the savior will be going to heaven. Don't play dumb.

Christians don't care about how you act, well they do, but more importantly is your faith in christ. That's all that is necessary to them. That's what's fucked up. I feel your anger bro, but you knew what you were getting into.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:



Look bro, you asked the question. You obviously were expecting this answer. You had to know that only those who accept christ as the savior will be going to heaven. Don't play dumb.

Christians don't care about how you act, well they do, but more importantly is your faith in christ. That's all that is necessary to them. That's what's fucked up. I feel your anger bro, but you knew what you were getting into.

... the truth^^.

On the other hand, think how many good guys you will meet in hell?

Heavens don't need nice people, they need nice servants.

quote:Originally posted by Homesniper:

I give to charity, I forgive easily, I like to think I'm friendly, I'm passionate about art, music and literiture. I see beauty is most things and look for the good in people. I am not a christian and I do not believe in God, I believe Christ was a smart and a good man, but I do not follow him. I am a pagan, I worship what keeps me alive, I worship the earth and I believe in its preservation. I look after nature and I only lie rarely. But what if there is Christianity, what if there is a God? Am I going to hell?

My personal belief is that as long as you lead a good life you will go to heaven. You hafta remember that the bible was not written by god but people wo followed jesus. Correct me if i am wrong but i believe it is fact that it was written like 200 years after his death. And again correct me if i am wrong but wasnt it changed by a bunch of ppl with power. i am catholic but i do not beleive that god hates you if you dont have the right religion. Maybe he does hate ppl who dont believe in his existence but if he is the all loving one then he shouldnt mind letting a good soul into heaven. If not then i dont think he was portrayed right in the bible.

In my opinion, any religion that claims to be the "One True Religion" (i.e., Christianity) must be false, because there is wisdom and enlightenment in all religions, and saying your religion is the only one that is right means that all the others are wrong, would be very stupid, in my opinion.

quote:Originally posted by UN!F13D:

Correct me if i am wrong but i believe it is fact that it was written like 200 years after his death. And again correct me if i am wrong but wasnt it changed by a bunch of ppl with power..

The Bible was suposidly written by many people over a period of several hundred years.

There are rumors that locked up in the Vatican there are some extra books but unless someone want to invade we will never know if they are there.

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

The Bible was suposidly written by many people over a period of several hundred years.

There are rumors that locked up in the Vatican there are some extra books but unless someone want to invade we will never know if they are there.

There are hundreds of ancient Christian writings left out of the Bible, and they're available to the public.

quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

"One True Religion"

... there is no religion except the truth.

And for the Christians who might jump and say "Christianity is not a religion, it is a way of life" I will say any religion is a way of life.

darling, we ALL go to hell. just remember that anytime you feel down http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

We are told to live our lives a certain way, in order to achieve ultimate contentment while on this earth. (that is the only reason why it matters)

Sin creates misery...and God does not want us to suffer.

But in the end, we're all sinners, regardless of how "good" we are, or how much we do for our fellow man. Which means we're all even.

The only difference between us all is whether or not we have chosen to recognize God as our savior.

Nothing else really matters, in regards to the eternal state of your soul.

I am not sure if you were disagreeing, or agreeing with me, so I am trying to clarify.

I'm sort of agreeing with you, I guess. We are called to obey. I know we can't not sin. But we should always try not to and repent. Jesus dying for us doesn't give us a free ride to do whatever I want. I don't think He would've died for people that didn't care.

And in the greek of john 3:16 believe is really obey or something. I find that interesting

To be honest I asked the question as a question to myself as much as to you lot. Im glad to see there are no real Bible Bashers here, and they are the only people whom this question is aimed at. The bible has been altered to peoples tastes over the years, I do have alot of respect for the new breed of christians and I wouldnt dream of calling people who decided this was their way sheep. Just the sheeps.

quote:Originally posted by UN!F13D:

You hafta remember that the bible was not written by god but people wo followed jesus.

I think Christians would disagree with you there, supposedly the men who wrote the Bible were "inspired by the Holy Spirit" or God spoke through them, or something along those lines, so they would argue that the Bible was written by God.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah in the least, it's "holy inspiration".

I can't remember the exact verse but in 2 Timothy it says that all scripture is holy and useful.

quote:Originally posted by Homesniper:

The bible has been altered to peoples tastes over the years, .

no, not really.

quote:Originally posted by UN!F13D:

My personal belief is that as long as you lead a good life you will go to heaven.

you said that you are a catholic. Last time i checked, catholcism is a christian religion, meaning, they believe The Christ died for our sins (sorry Digital Savior--but that is a different debate). They also teach that the Bible is God's Word. If my understanding of catholicism is right, then they also believe that the Bible says that the only way to Heaven is through Jesus.

quote:You hafta remember that the bible was not written by god but people wo followed jesus. Correct me if i am wrong but i believe it is fact that it was written like 200 years after his death. And again correct me if i am wrong but wasnt it changed by a bunch of ppl with power.

OK, to the best of my recollection: the Bible was written by over 40 writers (Kings, generals, fishermen, a tentmaker, historians, etc.) over a period of about 1600 years (Old and New Testaments), on three different continents. There are 1189 chapters, that match up pretty darn good (nobody has yet shown me that they contridict, although there have been a few "close calls")

(I'm goning to use someone elses words here) In ancient times, books were copied by hand onto manuscripts which were made of parchment and would decay over time. Ancient books are available today only because someone made copies of the originals to preserve them. For example, the original writings of Julius Caesar are no longer around. We know what he wrote, only by the copies we have. Only 10 copies exist, and they were made 1000 yrs after he died. Only 600 copies of Homer's THE ILLIAD exist, made 1300 yrs after the originals were written. No other book has as many copies of the ancient manuscripts as the Bible. In fact, there are over 24,000 copies of the New Testament manuscripts, some writtewithin 35 years of the writer's death.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in 1947. These manuscripts were copies of large portions of the Old Testament, a thousand years older than any other existing copies. Study of the Scrolls has revealed that the Bible hasnt changed in content down through the ages."

Anyone can download programs of the original Hebrew and Greek words--- I bought a CD-ROM that has this, with the Strong's definitions.

The main two differences that i have seen between different versions, is (1)clarity... I Cor 13... one version uses "Charity" and another "Love", but a dictionary definition is "the same" (2)the original wording has much stronger feeling attached to the words..."things lose abit in translation"

Just because they are copies doesnt mean they are the real thing. The new testament has been altered according to what-ever king wished it, like King James, he changed a word outright so that it would be against witches. Words may have been translated wrong in extreme ways, but as we dont have the originals mostly due to the crusades we can never tell. So there is not much point in putting much faith in it unless you really want to. Thats if God exists at all anyway.

quote:Originally posted by Homesniper:

The new testament has been altered according to what-ever king wished it, like King James, he changed a word outright so that it would be against witches.

Just curious, which word was changed to mean witch? Verse please? I would like to look it up in the original Greek.

Anyway, as far as i know, King James didnt actually translate any part of the Bible, he just commissioned the translation. I would hope that the monk(or whoever) would have had some honesty.

quote:Originally posted by Homesniper:

Just because they are copies doesnt mean they are the real thing. The new testament has been altered according to what-ever king wished it, like King James, he changed a word outright so that it would be against witches. Words may have been translated wrong in extreme ways, but as we dont have the originals mostly due to the crusades we can never tell. So there is not much point in putting much faith in it unless you really want to. Thats if God exists at all anyway.

did you read that guys post?

n fact, there are over 24,000 copies of the New Testament manuscripts, some writtewithin 35 years of the writer's death.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in 1947. These manuscripts were copies of large portions of the Old Testament, a thousand years older than any other existing copies. Study of the Scrolls has revealed that the Bible hasnt changed in content down through the ages."

what king had all of these at one time and changed them? Did all the priests, rabbis, scholars, and layman not care that all these and all the Bibles and all the Torahs were changed? And not a single person said anything.

And then we find new manuscripts and all of a sudden those are changed? i don't think so

Relax.

The bible's a book, and hell is a myth.

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

I'm sort of agreeing with you, I guess. We are called to obey. I know we can't not sin. But we should always try not to and repent. Jesus dying for us doesn't give us a free ride to do whatever I want. I don't think He would've died for people that didn't care.

And in the greek of john 3:16 believe is really obey or something. I find that interesting

Yes, of course...I believe I touched upon that by saying that God gave us the law in order to spare us the heartache of not following it.

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quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

I think Christians would disagree with you there, supposedly the men who wrote the Bible were "inspired by the Holy Spirit" or God spoke through them, or something along those lines, so they would argue that the Bible was written by God.

*applauds*

Very good, Social ! http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

no, not really.

What do you call the NIV ? It was written as a translation of the KJV, in order to assist us in better understanding the word of God.

I don't agree with the watered down version, but he is, essentially, correct. It has been redone several times.

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quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

The Bible was suposidly written by many people over a period of several hundred years.

There are rumors that locked up in the Vatican there are some extra books but unless someone want to invade we will never know if they are there.

It took approximately 1500 years, and there were about 40 authors.

Most of those authors were existent long before Jesus was born.

quote:Originally posted by Homesniper:

Just because they are copies doesnt mean they are the real thing. The new testament has been altered according to what-ever king wished it, like King James, he changed a word outright so that it would be against witches. Words may have been translated wrong in extreme ways, but as we dont have the originals mostly due to the crusades we can never tell. So there is not much point in putting much faith in it unless you really want to. Thats if God exists at all anyway.

Except God is omnipotent..and He says that His word was divinely inspired, and that nothing would be lost from it.

"Hypothetically", God could preserve this book if He wanted to, and it is apparent that He does.

That is the difference between a man inspired book, and a God inspired book.

Dead men cannot control what happens to their "art", but God can.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

*applauds*

Very good, Social ! http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

I knew those classes I took years ago on Martin Luther's Small Catechism would come in handy, someday! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

*LMFAO*

Well, whatever it takes !

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

What do you call the NIV ? It was written as a translation of the KJV, in order to assist us in better understanding the word of God.



All the pre-amble in mine says that they started with non-english texts (hebrew and such)

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

What do you call the NIV ? It was written as a translation of the KJV, in order to assist us in better understanding the word of God.

I don't agree with the watered down version, but he is, essentially, correct. It has been redone several times.

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none of the teachings have been lost. And plus we have other versions.

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

What do you call the NIV ? It was written as a translation of the KJV, in order to assist us in better understanding the word of God.

I don't agree with the watered down version, but he is, essentially, correct. It has been redone several times.

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none of the teachings have been lost. And plus we have other versions.

Ok, I didn't say that they have been lost. I said they had been altered.

Also, I know there are many other versions. I simply used the NIV as a prime example.

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

All the pre-amble in mine says that they started with non-english texts (hebrew and such)

You are talking about the KJV now...I was asking about the NIV. I believe ZMan was saying that the Bible hasn't been altered, and I was pointing out that it has.

The point is not lost, though.

No I am not. I am talikng about the NIV.

Oh, alright. Care to expound a little bit, then ?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Oh, alright. Care to expound a little bit, then ?

Here is what the preable at the front of my New Iternatioanl Version Bibe says...

quote:this text stolen from my Bible:

THE NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION is a completly new tranlation of the Holy Bible made by over a hundred scholars working direcly from the best availible Hebrew, Aramic and Greek texts. It had its beginnings in 1965 when after several years of exsploritory study by commities from the Christian Reformed Church and the Natianal Association of Evangelicals, a group of scholars met at Palos Heights, Illinois, and concurred in need for a new tranlation of the Bible in contempary English.

And it goes on for about three pages about diferent tranlation issues and stuff.

Unless you are saying these scholars just lied and tranlated the King James Bible into modern english and embeseled the money.

Oh, I see...you are saying that the NIV isn't a translation of the KJV.

I just didn't get what your point was from your original post.

I checked my NIV, and it says the exact same thing. Good call, you were right.

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if you dont believe in christianity, what the fuck do you care. personally, i very strongly doubt the chance that there is such a place as hell, and more importantly i very highly doubt that the christians know what makes you go there, considering what a bunch of assholes a lot of them can be

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

It is such a difficult affirmation, and seems that Christians are the brunt of God's law.

But I have to say that it is clearly written in the Bible what is required of you in order to receive salvation, and thus everlasting life (Heaven).

You MUST believe that Jesus died in redemption of your sins, and that God is the creator of all things.

What you "do" matters very little. Paul says (I believe it is in Romans) that all our righteousness are as filthy rags.

This means that no matter how "good" you are, it doesn't make a bit of difference when it comes to the eternal state of your soul.

I hope this answers your question.

well gosh that makes me feel good. im glad to know that whether im a good person or not matters nothing when it comes to heaven or hell. i could kill 6 million people, and if i believe that im doing it for the sake of that god in whom i have such great faith and for his son who i so strongly believe died for my sins, ill go to heaven, however, if i go through life not harming anyone and being as peaceful as can be, but have doubt as to whether it is possible that one person created a thing as immense and original as the earth and that his son was so righteous that he allowed himself to be killed so as to pay for every other person to come's sins, then ill go straight to hell, because i dont believe what they want me to believe. i know now that its okay for me to do whatever the fuck i please, just so long as i believe in the lord almighty and his oh so forgiving son, and ill get to go to heaven and live on eternally.

According to christian beliefs, when you die you are given one more chance to accept Christ "into your heart"; so, if you die and you find out you've been wrong all this time, you still have one more chance to redeem yourself.

That's the number one reason Christianity has become so popular. It's fool proof. You can be a total ass and as long as you ask Jesus to forgive you, you're okay. Who knows, if christianity is real, perhaps I'll be hanging out with Hitler in heaven.

Cheers,

Lost

that's what Christianity teaches? That's news to me. Care to say where you got that?

quote:Originally posted by whatwouldsatando:

well gosh that makes me feel good. im glad to know that whether im a good person or not matters nothing when it comes to heaven or hell. i could kill 6 million people, and if i believe that im doing it for the sake of that god in whom i have such great faith and for his son who i so strongly believe died for my sins, ill go to heaven, however, if i go through life not harming anyone and being as peaceful as can be, but have doubt as to whether it is possible that one person created a thing as immense and original as the earth and that his son was so righteous that he allowed himself to be killed so as to pay for every other person to come's sins, then ill go straight to hell, because i dont believe what they want me to believe. i know now that its okay for me to do whatever the fuck i please, just so long as i believe in the lord almighty and his oh so forgiving son, and ill get to go to heaven and live on eternally.

Well, you just about got the gist of it.

The problem with your line of thought is:

(1)If you are a true Believer, i doubt that you would want to purposely want to sin against God (unremorseful-- Christians still do at times but that is another thread).

(2)If you are an unbeliever, then Proverbs 16:2 applies---

Prov 16:2 2.All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the Lord weighs the spirits.

Im going to plagiarize here.."Concider the way dogs cross the road. A dog will wander onto a freeway oblivious to the danger. His tail wags as he steps between cars without a second thought. Cars swerve. Tires squeal. The noise is deafening as vehicles smash into each other. The dog stops wagging his tail and looks at the pile of cars. He doesnt realize for a moment that he is responsible for the disaster.

When a man wanders onto the "freeway of sin", his tail wags with delight. He thinks that this is what he was made for. His thoughts of any reprocussions for his actions are shallow. His mind wanders into lust, then predictably he wanders onto the path of adultery. Suddenly a disaster sits before him. His marriage is shattered, his name slurred, his kids are twisted and scarred. But like the dumb dog, he doesnt realize for 1 moment that he is solely responsible for his sin. (or he convinces himself that he isnt to blame)

This is why the perfect Law of God needs to be arrayed before his darkened eyes--to show him that his way is not right in the eyes of the Perfect God."

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

According to christian beliefs, when you die you are given one more chance to accept Christ "into your heart"; so, if you die and you find out you've been wrong all this time, you still have one more chance to redeem yourself.

That's the number one reason Christianity has become so popular. It's fool proof. You can be a total ass and as long as you ask Jesus to forgive you, you're okay. Who knows, if christianity is real, perhaps I'll be hanging out with Hitler in heaven.

Cheers,

Lost



Sorry, but as far as i know, once you die there are no more chances.

If i'm wrong, please point it out from scripture.

quote:Originally posted by Homesniper:

I give to charity, I forgive easily, I like to think I'm friendly, I'm passionate about art, music and literiture. I see beauty is most things and look for the good in people. I am not a christian and I do not believe in God, I believe Christ was a smart and a good man, but I do not follow him. I am a pagan, I worship what keeps me alive, I worship the earth and I believe in its preservation. I look after nature and I only lie rarely. But what if there is Christianity, what if there is a God? Am I going to hell?

quote:Originally posted by Homesniper:

I give to charity, I forgive easily, I like to think I'm friendly, I'm passionate about art, music and literiture. I see beauty is most things and look for the good in people. I am not a christian and I do not believe in God, I believe Christ was a smart and a good man, but I do not follow him. I am a pagan, I worship what keeps me alive, I worship the earth and I believe in its preservation. I look after nature and I only lie rarely. But what if there is Christianity, what if there is a God? Am I going to hell?

Do you really think that God give Man only 70 or 80 years here on earth to "get it right" then, when we fuck it up, sends us to a Hell for eternity! That is illogical and totally without reason. If nothing else, God is a totally logical, orderly and mathmatically correct entity so Hell makes no sense at all. Historically, Hell, as seen by society today, was invented by the early Catholic church to make money...scare people into paying the church to stay out of Hell (dispensations etc.)

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

Just curious, which word was changed to mean witch? Verse please? I would like to look it up in the original Greek.

Anyway, as far as i know, King James didnt actually translate any part of the Bible, he just commissioned the translation. I would hope that the monk(or whoever) would have had some honesty.

The word changed to "witch" (Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live) was originally "poisoner"...and actually in those times the two were synonymous.

quote:Originally posted by whatwouldsatando:

well gosh that makes me feel good. im glad to know that whether im a good person or not matters nothing when it comes to heaven or hell. i could kill 6 million people, and if i believe that im doing it for the sake of that god in whom i have such great faith and for his son who i so strongly believe died for my sins, ill go to heaven, however, if i go through life not harming anyone and being as peaceful as can be, but have doubt as to whether it is possible that one person created a thing as immense and original as the earth and that his son was so righteous that he allowed himself to be killed so as to pay for every other person to come's sins, then ill go straight to hell, because i dont believe what they want me to believe. i know now that its okay for me to do whatever the fuck i please, just so long as i believe in the lord almighty and his oh so forgiving son, and ill get to go to heaven and live on eternally.

Nope...can't murder in the name of God. "Thou shalt not kill" is pretty clear.

What gets you into Heaven is salvation, which comes solely through redemption under the blood of Jesus Christ. I am sorry that this is a concept that is lost to you. If you would read the Bible, you'd understand God more clearly.

The Bible specifically states that your "good works" mean nothing. You can do nothing to "save yourself", or earn God's favor. You're human. *shrugs* It's just not possible.

He allowed himself to be crucified as a representation of the ultimate act of love and mercy for man. One would think that you'd APPRECIATE that gesture.

He had the power to bring himself down from that cross, but it took more strength to do what needed to be done.

No, it's alright for you to do whatever you please, because you won't give your heart to God, whom it rightly belongs to. And in the end, you will reap what you sow. That is not God's fault.

quote:According to christian beliefs, when you die you are given one more chance to accept Christ "into your heart"; so, if you die and you find out you've been wrong all this time, you still have one more chance to redeem yourself.

That's the number one reason Christianity has become so popular. It's fool proof. You can be a total ass and as long as you ask Jesus to forgive you, you're okay. Who knows, if christianity is real, perhaps I'll be hanging out with Hitler in heaven.

Cheers,

Lost

Which doctrine are you deriving this from ?

I skipped all the posts, but I know you guys are arguing.



Thread Poster: Your going to hell if you haven't proclaimed Jesus as your savior and that he is lord.

"For he that professes with his mouth is justified".

Probably... Christians are insane like that.

quote:Originally posted by Felonia52:

Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

Just curious, which word was changed to mean witch? Verse please? I would like to look it up in the original Greek.

Anyway, as far as i know, King James didnt actually translate any part of the Bible, he just commissioned the translation. I would hope that the monk(or whoever) would have had some honesty.

The word changed to "witch" (Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live) was originally "poisoner"...and actually in those times the two were synonymous.

Would you please post the Book chapter:verse?

I would like to look it up in the original Greek and compare to other versions.

The part about sorceresses is somewhere in Exodous. Same place as the laws about animals and the people who fuck them.

well if you're truly a christian, you shouldn't believe you're going to heaven anyway... it says in revelation that 144,000 jewish male virgins are the only people on christ's side in the end

quote:Originally posted by cheapandugly:

well if you're truly a christian, you shouldn't believe you're going to heaven anyway... it says in revelation that 144,000 jewish male virgins are the only people on christ's side in the end



It says in Romans 10: 9-10 that anyone who professes that Jesus is Lord with their hearts and mouths will be saved.

quote:Originally posted by cheapandugly:

well if you're truly a christian, you shouldn't believe you're going to heaven anyway... it says in revelation that 144,000 jewish male virgins are the only people on christ's side in the end

And you horribly misunderstand that prophecy. Did you read the entire book of Revelation, or just that one verse ?

Revelation 7:3-4 - 3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

Is it being derived that this "seal" is the mark of salvation ? If so, you are wrong.

Revelation 14:1-5 - 1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3 And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

The number TWELVE is significant, as it implies structural beginning or foundation of organization and governmental perfection. The nation of Israel was made up of twelve tribes, and represented a physical type of God's government on earth. The twelve apostles were chosen by Christ to serve as the foundation for His Church (Matt. 10:1-7), as well as the kingdom of God (Luke 22:29-30). Twelve thousand from each tribe of Israel comprise the 144,000 of Revelation 7 and 14.

Don't misinterpret the Bible...it's a dangerous thing to do.

quote:Originally posted by Homesniper:

I give to charity, I forgive easily, I like to think I'm friendly, I'm passionate about art, music and literiture. I see beauty is most things and look for the good in people. I am not a christian and I do not believe in God, I believe Christ was a smart and a good man, but I do not follow him. I am a pagan, I worship what keeps me alive, I worship the earth and I believe in its preservation. I look after nature and I only lie rarely. But what if there is Christianity, what if there is a God? Am I going to hell?



* you spelled literature wrong.

Sorry, I didn't read all the replies.

What I don't understand is: if you believe in hell/heaven, how do you not believe in a god, or a similiar system of the sort?

I beleive that no matter what you beleive you shouldnt be punnished for living life to the fullest.Espicialy if you are filled with pure thoughts and care about people them selfs as a whole. so enjoy life and stop freting coz by the sounds of it your going to enjoy your life even after death.

quote:Originally posted by Cone_blown:

I beleive that no matter what you beleive you shouldnt be punnished for living life to the fullest.Espicialy if you are filled with pure thoughts and care about people them selfs as a whole. so enjoy life and stop freting coz by the sounds of it your going to enjoy your life even after death.



Does even one person in the world, in all of history, have pure thoughts? This is the purpose of the Law, once that is understood, then the Grace of the Gospel can be comprehended.