i want to know the answer once and for all!! I keep hearing "jesus smoked pot". I then hear no he did'nt because pot is "bad". I honestly think he might have because the pot plant is useful but no only for smoking.

I don't know if he smoked pot, but he sure used products that contained cannabis.

Maybe he did in his early days, but I doubt he would have after he attained self realisation.

Jesus was annointed in Cannabis oil. But I doubt he would have gotten high off of it, it wouldn't have been burned.

In a historical context, he very well could have smoked ganja. It was a common thing with no legal consequences, so he might have.

There are no outright references in the bible, but in Genesis, God gives us all the green plants and herbs for our meat. He reaffirms this after Noah's flood. In the NT Jesus says that nothin that enters our body will defile us, but what leaves our body does. (i.e. igesting things doesn't defile you, but your words and actions do).

On the other hand, there are numerous verses against drunkeness (this would include drug highs also). Some christians go so far as to say that the wine that Jesus drank was non-alcoholic. As in, it wasn't fermented yet.

I don't know, there are verses for and against it. But nothing outright says that Jesus used, but I do!

HAHAHA CHIEF IT UP NIGGA!

I think Jesus ate a look of wierd looking mushrooms. Come on, he walks on water? Obviously on shrooms.

Isn't canabis an Asian plant? Or was is wide spread across the old world?

www.christiansforcannabis.com (http://www.christiansforcannabis.com)

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

Isn't canabis an Asian plant? Or was is wide spread across the old world?



Well, Israel is in Asia.

he might have, come to think of it it probobly wasnt considered wrong at all back then to smoke pot, and i wouldnt be suprised if they used it for some religeous ceremonies back then either

Seeing as Jesus was likely black and gay, if pot was around he probably smoked it http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by queens187:

i want to know the answer once and for all!! I keep hearing "jesus smoked pot". I then hear no he did'nt because pot is "bad". I honestly think he might have because the pot plant is useful but no only for smoking.

First, I have to say that anyone that has a tiny grasp of ecology would know that in the region in which Jesus resided, cannabis couldn't have possibly grown. This plant needs an incredible amount of moisture in the air for it to cultivate, among other things that are not present in the arid lands of Israel.

Not to say that it couldn't have been imported, but I doubt it would "keep", as they did not really have a method of preserving such things. (that I know of)

Second, all the Bible says is that we must follow the laws of the land. In our land (America) marijuana is illegal.

In Amsterdam, it's not. So, by going to Amsterdam to smoke pot, you wouldn't be doing anything wrong, per se.

If it were "legal" at the time that Jesus walked the earth, it wouldn't have mattered if he smoked it or not.

But considering that the Bible also instructs us not to get drunk (Ephesians 5:18 - Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit.), I would assume that this applies to all things that can impair our judgement.

And before anyone here starts spouting off, just because I am a Christian NOW does not mean that I did not smoke a lot of pot before and during my Christian walk.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

Jesus was annointed in Cannabis oil. But I doubt he would have gotten high off of it, it wouldn't have been burned.

In a historical context, he very well could have smoked ganja. It was a common thing with no legal consequences, so he might have.

There are no outright references in the bible, but in Genesis, God gives us all the green plants and herbs for our meat. He reaffirms this after Noah's flood. In the NT Jesus says that nothin that enters our body will defile us, but what leaves our body does. (i.e. igesting things doesn't defile you, but your words and actions do).

On the other hand, there are numerous verses against drunkeness (this would include drug highs also). Some christians go so far as to say that the wine that Jesus drank was non-alcoholic. As in, it wasn't fermented yet.

I don't know, there are verses for and against it. But nothing outright says that Jesus used, but I do!

HAHAHA CHIEF IT UP NIGGA!

Where did you find the information that Jesus was annointed in Cannabis Oil ? I am interested in finding out how you came to this notion. (I have never heard that before)

The verse you are referring to is Matthew 15:11.

What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'

But you are taking this verse out of context.

Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees who were whining about the disciples eating with unwashed hands.

Jesus was rebuking them with this verse, by saying that what they deem "important" in regards to "holiness" was flawed, because it doesn't matter if your hands are dirty or not...what matters is the condition of your heart (what comes out of your mouth shows the condition of your heart).

This is in no way a reference indicating that no matter what we consume into our bodies, it won't hurt us.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

In the NT Jesus says that nothin that enters our body will defile us, but what leaves our body does. (i.e. igesting things doesn't defile you, but your words and actions do).

Let me be the first to say...WTF?

So then...rat poison, bleach, lye, gasoline, etc. I can ingest those things and still be alive?

I think you need to check your sources. I may be an Aethist, but I still know the bible, and while Christianity is certainly very cult-like in many aspects, it's followers are (for the most part) not entirely suicidal.

quote:Originally posted by sellout_10:

Let me be the first to say...WTF?

So then...rat poison, bleach, lye, gasoline, etc. I can ingest those things and still be alive?

I think you need to check your sources. I may be an Aethist, but I still know the bible, and while Christianity is certainly very cult-like in many aspects, it's followers are (for the most part) not entirely suicidal.

I think you're taking what he said too literally, he was talking about intoxicants, not "that nothing you ingest could hurt you".

http://www.siu.edu/~ebl/leaflets/hemp.htm

I take back what I said. Hemp has been found in ancient Egyptian dig sites. If the Egyptians could grow it the Romans could. You will have a hard time proving anything specific about if Jesus used any hemp products but it is posible.

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I'm not sure if jesus had anything to do with marijuana, but i know he was big on the shrooms, heh. Theres a book you can probably pick up in your local hemp shop that will tell you all about it

If you go back far enough through totse theres been a couple threads on the issue (with better links to some of the articles on the issue).

From what i can remember, a pretty strong case can be made for Jesus using an anoiting oil that contained cannabis, but its VERY dodgey. It all boils down to the re-interpretive work of one scholar. Admitedly i haven't chased it up much, but from what i did see, its pretty sketchy (although slightly more plausible than Jesus surviving the crucifixtion)

This should be of interesting read for you, Digital Savior.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html

quote:Originally posted by OvergrowTG:

This should be of interesting read for you, Digital Savior.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html

Yeah, I read that shit a long time ago. When I was 12 or something, I didn't really get it then.

But now it makes alot more sense. Some of that article seems a bit sketchy, but alot of it is conclusive.

I really don't think it matters. Debate it if it's just for entertainment value.

But Romans 10: 9-10 tells you what is necessary for salvation. Smoking ganj makes no difference.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

Jesus was annointed in Cannabis oil. But I doubt he would have gotten high off of it, it wouldn't have been burned.



Cannasis oil does not mean hashish. It is the oil from the seeds similar to grape seed oil. Hashish is the resin from the buds and the word is somtimes used to decribe the residue in a pipe. Even if you made oil from semsimela seeds it is highy unlikly that you would feel anything from a topical dose. The seeds do not contain significant amount of THC.

+ the whole argument stands or falls on

quote:B The "m" is a pronounced plural, and the singular kaneh-bos sounds remarkably similar to the modern cannabis. Although often mistranslated as "calamus", the word has been translated as "fragrant-cane" in most modern bibles, and specifically designates the fragrant flowering tops of cannabis.

The author spends SFA time on establishing the connection between the ingredients given in exodus(?), and the mis-translation that he/she proposes. It would have been nice if they had referenced it so we could see for ourselves. Instead, the understanding of it that suits their presupposition is the one that is taken for-granted for the rest of the article.

lol..its almost like something you'd expecxt from a dodgey creationist ;-)

*laughs*

You two, both of you, need lessons in reading. Please read the paragraph in question again.

"The "m" is a pronounced plural, and the singular kaneh-bos sounds remarkably similar to the modern cannabis"

Stating that the "m" and the end of kaneh-bos indicates a plural and that it has a similar phonetic sound as that of cannabis. Nothing else.

"Although often mistranslated as "calamus", the word has been translated as "fragrant-cane" in most modern bibles, and specifically designates the fragrant flowering tops of cannabis."

States that it has been often mistranslated as "calamus".

It is not stating that 'kaneh-bosm' was a mistranslation of 'cannabis', or 'kaneh-bos'.

Furthermore, the evidence you seek is already given to you as well!

"M ie: Kaneh Bosm, documented as cannabis.5 "

When we look at the bottom:

"5. Sula Benet, Early Diffusions and Folk Uses of Hemp. (Reprinted in Cannabis and Culture, Vera Rubin, Ed. The Hague: Moutan, 1975.)

Sula Benet (as Sara Benetowa) Tracing One Word Through Different Languages. (1936). (Reprinted in The Book of Grass, 1967.)

Weston La Barre, Culture in Context; Selected Writings of Weston La Barre. Duke University Press, 1980"

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Well since, you made you jokes in jest, it is only fair I make mine as well:

You not reading correctly is 'almost like something you'd expecxt from a dodgey creationist' ...

*laughs*

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quote:Originally posted by dagnabitt:

Seeing as Jesus was likely black and gay, if pot was around he probably smoked it http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

... heheheheheheheeh.... that was actually funny...

haha good call... its probably worth nothing that the referenced bit you just refered to:

quote:M ie: Kaneh Bosm, documented as cannabis.5

appears heaps further down the page... my mistake, but still, it ain't exactly a logicial placement (me thinks from quickly scanning for the umptenth time this year)...

Anyhoo.. did a quick bit of googleing, and there didn't seem to be a whole lot out there that is independently varifiable.. most of the stuff I was able to find relied on Sara Benetowa's work.

I found it hard to find anything that wasn't written by a pro-pot organisation. Might to try and access some journals through the uni database later.

quote:Originally posted by queens187:

i want to know the answer once and for all!! I keep hearing "jesus smoked pot". I then hear no he did'nt because pot is "bad". I honestly think he might have because the pot plant is useful but no only for smoking.

okay first of all, there is no "pot plant" its the cannabis plant douche bag, secondly, the time of the one you call our saviour was long, long before pot was "bad" so that whole "bad" issue is unimportant. however....what the fuck? how would anyone know if he toked reefer and why would they pass it on. its not a big part of someones personality

Jesus was a stoner, he was like, man you deciples lets go to the store and get some... DORITOS!!!1

quote:Originally posted by Halogen:

Jesus was a stoner, he was like, man you deciples lets go to the store and get some... DORITOS!!!1



No man, he'd be like, sup brother John n' Paul, lets go ascendin to White Castle!

No, it would be a normal act. It wouldn't have stupid conotations of "Dude we got munchies dude, and then dude, we'll eat dude, dude, dude, for dude".

I heard tell that he was on 'shrooms.