I have dug a big base underneath a room in my house, after digging through the foundations I used beams to support the weight of my house VERY IMPORTANT,

Since then I have gathered up some people who pissed me off in the past and they are all tyed up in chairs inside my little secret room and I dont really have all of them because the room is getting crouded and stinking of body odour but mostly because one is dead and others have been sick.

I visit them with a gas mask on and there suffering will be over soon because I am going to find a virgin catholic preist and trick him into coming to my house. then I am going to push him into the underground room and nail him onto the wooden cross that I have fasiond,, and stand it in the centre of my victims and tell them that there time has come and the virgin preist will suffer just like jesus whilst opening up the gates for them when I kill them.

then they will watch the preist christian bastard slowly die.

and I will turn to my victims and say this preist died for your sins and has opend the gates for you to enter the kingdom of heaven.

and then I will proceed to slit there throats and drink there blood.

So after you put that in DIY you decided it would be good here?

yes I did do you have a problem with that.It fits here more.among the christians

Whom you apparently don't understand well enough to even make fun of properly.

First, you are mixing two different things...Christianity and Catholicism.

Second, it is obvious you don't have an iota of understanding when it comes to sacrifice and redemption.

But, so long as you sleep better tonight, the world is a better place for your hostility.

It's nice that you took the time to let everyone know how much you hate that other people are allowed to beileve in whatever they want.

Just like you.

[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 08-24-2004).]

Your god cannot beat the shit out of my god.

quote:Originally posted by Ravendust:

Your god cannot beat the shit out of my god.

I think Buddha could body-slam Jesus anyday...haha

quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

I think Buddha could body-slam Jesus anyday...haha

Well, that goes without saying...



Sumo wrestler...Carpenter....Sumo wrestler...Carpenter.

I dunno...Jesus was probably pretty agile.

He got skillz, yo.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:



First, you are mixing two religions...Christianity and Catholicism.



*sighs*

ZMan, just because you are Catholic doesn't mean you are right.

I have illustrated the difference many times.

Let me use a different example:

To call yourself a Lutheran does not make you a Christian. It makes you a follower of the religion dictated by the Lutherans.

What makes you a Christian is your belief in Christ.

See the difference ?

In this aspect, I am not saying that there are any flaws in Catholicism. The flaws become apparent when the laws and ceremonies set forth by the "clergy" interfere with the word of God.

I hope you do not feel as though I am attacking you personally. My beliefs about the Catholic church are not unfounded, and I have a great deal of information on the subject, if you are interested.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

ZMan, just because you are Catholic doesn't mean you are right.

I have illustrated the difference many times.

Let me use a different example:

To call yourself a Lutheran does not make you a Christian. It makes you a follower of the religion dictated by the Lutherans.

What makes you a Christian is your belief in Christ.

See the difference ?

In this aspect, I am not saying that there are any flaws in Catholicism. The flaws become apparent when the laws and ceremonies set forth by the "clergy" interfere with the word of God.

I hope you do not feel as though I am attacking you personally. My beliefs about the Catholic church are not unfounded, and I have a great deal of information on the subject, if you are interested.

Catholics have or should have the same belief in Christ everyone has. And I really don't see how the laws and ceremonies interfere with the Word of God.

If you're going to post stuff, don't post a lot at once, please. one issue at a time.

I have, and I haven't seen you respond convincingly. I could be wrong...I go days without coming in here, and then all the threads have changed. *lol*

You never truly addressed the issue of praying to Mary.

Don't you think that your every action should be biblically based ?

I'll just start with that one.

Looking forward to your response.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Well, that goes without saying...



Sumo wrestler...Carpenter....Sumo wrestler...Carpenter.

I dunno...Jesus was probably pretty agile.

He got skillz, yo.

Dude, Stretch Armstrong is a much cooler god than those two. He's strong and he stretches!

Okay, the issue of prayer to Mary. And saints and anyone else in heaven for that matter.

We can 'pray' to people other in God only in the sense that we are asking for them to pray for us. It's no different that if the people were standing next to us, except of course they are dead.

The clearest Biblical evidence for this is in the Apocrypha(which is another issue):

2 Maccabees 15:11-16 Jeremiah the prophet prays for the Jews centuries after his death (compare Jer 15:1), along with the deceased high priest Onias. Likewise, Tobit 12:1-22 (especially 12,15) presents Raphael the angel as one of the "seven holy angels, which present the prayers of the saints." Tobit 12:15 is apparently referred to in Rev 5:8 and 8:3-4, which speak of the "prayers of the saints" being offered to God, and in Rev 1:4, which mentions the "seven Spirits."

In Revelation the saints in heaven are praying for the saints on earth.

But, I suppose that is up to interpretation.

Oh, and in Psalms 103:20-21:

Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!

They are singing to the angels.

Elsewhere Jesus said there will be much rejoicing over one sinner who repents.

There is a lot of evidence that those in heaven know, at least, what is going on on Earth. And it stands to reason they could hear our prayers.

Plus there is the Tradition. Tradition is not bad as long as it doesn't go against the Bible. The Bible supports good tradition. And it is tradition that we can 'pray' to those in heaven.

And tell me more about this doctrine of scripture alone. Is there a verse in the Bible that supports this?

Sorry for making a long post. I didn't want to do that.

Many folks here seem to assume The Bible is valid, despite the many internal contradictions, outmoded hateful stuff, limiting beliefs and so forth. It is the same mindset as, say, Mormons, saying their holy book is all correct, just because thwy say so.

"Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so" may have worked in the Piscean Age, but that age is dying.

Gnosis is.

Well, a lot of the contradictions can be explained... some can't.. but none of them seem to make a difference on the real teachings. who are you to say It's teachings are outmoded?

I don't like the circular arguments like The Bible is true because it says so.

I believe it is valid because, ok we've had the Old Testament for thousands of years. The Scribes maticulously copied it. If they screwed up a letter they would throw the whole page out. All the Jews knew what the Torah said. There's no way they could've changed it. Nor any reason they would have. The Rabbis already had money and power. And they surely couldn't change it after Jesus. Then all the Jews with Torahs and all the Christians would've had cordinate and keep the layman from noticing. They couldn't have done it.

Now, we have all this manuscriptal evidence from shortly after Jesus lived. It's very, very unlikely the Bible is not valid. That would have been a conspiracy of massive proportions that wouldn't have been possible.

Digital_Savior, I think you are confusing Christianity with Protestantism. Chistianity divides into Catholicism, Protestantism, and Orthodox. Oh no.. I'm getting kind of rusty. Let me go double check that.

quote:Originally posted by micho:

Chistianity divides into Catholicism, Protestantism, and Orthodox.

Alot of people in the Protestant division don't believe that. They think that Catholosism is too distorted to be Christian even though it is the root of their religion. Never hear what the "Christian" opinion is on Orthodox religions is.

My fellow Jews and infidels, we are facing an enormous crisis and challenge in this world today as you all know from Islamic terrorism. This is a direct attack on our western lifestyle, ethics and freedom. Many of you have complained about the economy and lack of jobs. The decline of the economy and stock market is a result of terrorist

acts commited by the Islamic evil doers who must not go unpunished. It is your duty as good Americans, Europeans, NATO allies and others who believe in freedom to oppose this assault on our liberties. Therefore may I suggest that if you are unemployed or underemployed that you go down to your local military recruiting office today and sign

up and fight in the name of democracy and freedom. Being almost 50 years old myself, I

will stay here in the USA and help keep the engines of Capitalism and democracy running

until such time I am needed in the war on terrorism.

Your fellow infidel

Bush for president