You know when people go around saying they know the meaning of life (I was one a few years ago). They are allways lying. And here's why.

To understand the meaning of life, you have to attain the deepest state of consciousness that is possible. It's only from here that your mind is open to the infinite wonders of life. And from here you will never know that you know the meaning of life, because as with everything you want; when you have it you don't care. If you understood the meaning of life, it would suddenly become "Meaningless to you". IE: When you have finally got what you wish for, you won't care anymore.

Therefore, you would not feel the need to rush around telling people "I have the answer".

The people who do go around saying "I know the meaning of life", may have simply experienced a deeper state of consciousness that provides them with bursts of realisation about life. But then months down the line they'll realise deeper and deeper things about life, then look back on their past realisations and think "I didn't reall know shit back then".

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In modern western materialist civilisation the meaning of life is fueled by egotism, the aquasition of money and status is the prize most people crave above other things. These things do not last, Physical life is temporary and comes to an end eventually.

People suffer because they crave things.A unique individual who finds realisation will be an outcast,

quote:Originally posted by prince charles:

A unique individual who finds realisation will be an outcast,



But whose happiness will inspire millions to follow.

Meaning of life is simple. Get born. Fuck the crap out of the nearest female. Female has children. Fuck more females to further the human race. Wanna know why? Because were just animals like every other beings on this earth. Face it. We have the instincts to do this. See a hot chick, get a boner. Now your ready to have more children! See... thats how it works. And no, im not a woman hater or any other retarded interpretaion of this post. Im mearly saying thats how it works... With alot of other meaningless garbage sprinked on top.

You've never had a good lay.

quote:Originally posted by Cpt.Winters:

Meaning of life is simple. Get born. Fuck the crap out of the nearest female. Female has children. Fuck more females to further the human race. Wanna know why? Because were just animals like every other beings on this earth. Face it. We have the instincts to do this. See a hot chick, get a boner. Now your ready to have more children! See... thats how it works. And no, im not a woman hater or any other retarded interpretaion of this post. Im mearly saying thats how it works... With alot of other meaningless garbage sprinked on top.

How sad it is to live as pointlessly as you do.

^^^Look my dear sir, im not saying im a sex addict. Thats another one of those stupid interpretaions I was talking about. Im saying that all us humans are meant to do is what I said in the above post.

Even if merely physical reproduction ad nauseum were the point of existence-

it is better accomplished by mostly ignoring women and doing cool, war-like, romantic, passionate, loyal, lofty, epic things. Then you can kill off thousands of enemy males and take their women. It is more effective to raise a generation of warriors ready to die for each other; then they will kill off the shitty cowards who cannot do this, and impregnate their ladies.

Did I mention you can steal more women?

Hey spirit of '22, thats exactly what it is. Exept now we have computers, cars, space ships, et cetera.

Nope.

Far as I'm concerned, there is no real "meaning of life" that a person can find. That isn't to say they can't find meaning in their own life, but an all-encompasing meaning of life for everyone is almost certainly non-existant.

I suppose my responce is the answer to the question "Why are we here" not "Whats the meaning of life" Big difference I 'spose. Meaning of life = enjoy it. thats it for me anyway. toot!

the meaning of life is

to be

the eyes

and ears

and consciousness

of the creator

of the universe

you fool

-kurt vonnegut

(something like that)

if anyone has discovered the meaning life, don't tell me, i'm no longer interested.

-kurt vonnegut

"every sperm is sacred"

-Monty Python

quote:Originally posted by Cpt.Winters:

Meaning of life is simple. Get born. Fuck the crap out of the nearest female. Female has children. Fuck more females to further the human race. Wanna know why? Because were just animals like every other beings on this earth. Face it. We have the instincts to do this. See a hot chick, get a boner. Now your ready to have more children! See... thats how it works. And no, im not a woman hater or any other retarded interpretaion of this post. Im mearly saying thats how it works... With alot of other meaningless garbage sprinked on top.

This thread wasn't even about what the meaning of life is. This thread was to show how people who think they know it, don't.

As a relativist, I believe everyone's 'meaning of life' is relative to whatever they want it to be, and that is okay. A Christian's meaning of life may be to devote their life to Jesus/God. A Muslim's may be to rid the world of infidels so they may be saved. Maybe Donald Trump's is to make money and Hugh Heffner's is to get tang all the time.

The point is everyone's goal in life is relative to themself. Why does the whole human race need an absolute 'meaning of life' for all to follow?

But yes, whoever said it earlier was right...reproduction/continuous survival is the 'goal' of our instinctal selfs. Lucky for us we are able to construct abstract ideas, therefore create complementary goals for lives.

"Those Who Know Don't Say, and Those Who Say Don't Know" --Lao Tzu

If you ask yourself "what is the meaning of life" looking for a reasonable answer, ironically enough you've already said the answer in this timeless question. The meaning of life is life, but not in the fuck a chik have a kid, fuck another chik have some more repitition. But the only reason we are here is to decide whether or not we appriciate the life we are given. Yes the arogance of our youth tells us that we we're never "given" life because we think we just deserve it, or simply our parents fucked and here we are. The plain and simple truth that for so many is hard to swallow is that we are given a choice either to honor the creator with the life it/she/he whatever has given us or to live arogantly believing that we simple deserve it. And let me tell you right now not one of us deserves to be here, we all amount to nothing compared to the perfection of GOD (who no human being can fathom). so live in humility and you'll see the life.

The meaning of life is to eat, fuck to pass on our seed, raise our children to cope with the world, and die. We are noting but glorified apes with a high brain capacity.

Stop making shit so complicated when you don't need to.

Look at it this way. Does a dog have a deep meaning to it's life? Of course not. Then why should we?

Please explain.

With that said, just because humans are glorified apes, does not mean that I think we are weak. Taking into the consideration that we know nothing about life in space, I can safely say that within our scope of knowlege, we are the most superior beings in the universe. Our immense strength in numbers gives us the power to reach any goal, and our high functioning brains can solve any problem if used to their maximum extent. As far as we know no other animals in the universe could even hope to attain the greatness we have.

And to all this, we can thank our own strength and ingenuity to have passed the test of evoloution and survived over millions of years in various progressive forms to evolve into what we are today, even with our humble beginnings as a proto-primate, hundreds of millions of years ago.

-We will eventually cure cancer.

-We will eventually cure AIDS.

-We will eventually be able to distribute humans on other planets in the event of a mass disaster striking earth.

-We will eventually, through science and technology, be able to achieve immortality.

-We will eventually be able to use stem cells to perform medical miracles on a full scale.

And many other things as well.

But, notice something about all these things. They really either make our lives easier, disease free, or safer. This shows that we are still just animals of the primate variety, inventing new technology as we have for many years.

On after thought, maybe the ascension of technology is a major meaning of our lives. After all, the constant upgrade of technology will make life easier for our children, which is what any animal wants to do, as the survival of children means the survival of the species.



We have no "Gods" to thank for this. Only the greatness, intelligence, ingenuity and strength of the human lineage.





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This thread isn't about what the meaning of life is!!!

How many of you actually read further than the thread title?

quote:Originally posted by Fuck:

"Those Who Know Don't Say, and Those Who Say Don't Know" --Lao Tzu

Cool, that's suits my first post quite nicely.

it depends on what context you're talking about, beany.

for example, the whole 'omg why do we exist? what is the point of of life?! of existence?!'

personally, i could care less about that 'deep' crap.

or there's the meaning of life in a biology context, which, obviously is to reproduce etc.



now, in terms of personal meaning of life, i know that: to be happy/content/etc.

so, in this context, i do know the meaning of life, or rather, my life.



oh, and re: "To understand the meaning of life, you have to attain the deepest state of consciousness that is possible. It's only from here that your mind is open to the infinite wonders of life..."

where the fuck did you pull that from? how the hell do you know achieving the 'deepest state of consciousness' will give you the meaning of life, and then some shit about not knowing because apparently you dont care about stuff once you achieve it?

doesn't that strike you as nutty in the least?



[This message has been edited by mland-chic (edited 08-30-2004).]

MATE FEED KILL REPEAT

or...

There is no meaning of life, there is no destiny...

Do what you want

quote:Originally posted by mland-chic:

where the fuck did you pull that from? how the hell do you know achieving the 'deepest state of consciousness' will give you the meaning of life, and then some shit about not knowing because apparently you dont care about stuff once you achieve it?



I pulled it from a deeper state of consciousness. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

It's pretty much the same thing as enlightenment. They sit for days meditating, acheiving deeper and deeper states of consciousness until "everything becomes clear", when they acheive it you don't hear about them running around saying "OMG, I know it all. Everyone come here I know the answers.", although they do pass knowledge and wisdom on to those who require it.

quote:Originally posted by Cpt.Winters:

^^^Look my dear sir, im not saying im a sex addict. Thats another one of those stupid interpretaions I was talking about. Im saying that all us humans are meant to do is what I said in the above post.

Based on what conclusive evidence ?

Doesn't it strike you as odd that from the beginning of time, man was looking for something greater than himself to worship ?

The drive to seek out a greater being comes from within, not logical thought. It's almost a primal instinct to find out where and how we began.

So, if you could explain how you came to the conclusion that our only purpose is to live as you have described, I would be interested in knowing.

(any interpretation I come to from what you have said is exactly that...if you would like to be seen differently, don't limit your importance to such a lowly state of being)

quote:Originally posted by dearestnight_falcon:

Far as I'm concerned, there is no real "meaning of life" that a person can find. That isn't to say they can't find meaning in their own life, but an all-encompasing meaning of life for everyone is almost certainly non-existant.

There IS meaning, but God didn't divulge that little tidbit in the Bible...I am sure He has His reasons.

The purpose for which we are to dedicate our lives, according to Him, is to live as Christ did, and follow God until we die.

That may seem pretty simple, but it's not. It's the HARDEST thing to do. I am assuming that, as it is here on earth, the harder we work at this, the greater our reward in heaven. (not to mention redeeming a more fulfilled life while here on earth)

I hope that made sense...I am in some pain, and took some codein to help. *high*

quote:Originally posted by Metal_Demon:

The meaning of life is to eat, fuck to pass on our seed, raise our children to cope with the world, and die. We are noting but glorified apes with a high brain capacity.

Stop making shit so complicated when you don't need to.

Look at it this way. Does a dog have a deep meaning to it's life? Of course not. Then why should we?

Please explain.

With that said, just because humans are glorified apes, does not mean that I think we are weak. Taking into the consideration that we know nothing about life in space, I can safely say that within our scope of knowlege, we are the most superior beings in the universe. Our immense strength in numbers gives us the power to reach any goal, and our high functioning brains can solve any problem if used to their maximum extent. As far as we know no other animals in the universe could even hope to attain the greatness we have.

And to all this, we can thank our own strength and ingenuity to have passed the test of evoloution and survived over millions of years in various progressive forms to evolve into what we are today, even with our humble beginnings as a proto-primate, hundreds of millions of years ago.

-We will eventually cure cancer.

-We will eventually cure AIDS.

-We will eventually be able to distribute humans on other planets in the event of a mass disaster striking earth.

-We will eventually, through science and technology, be able to achieve immortality.

-We will eventually be able to use stem cells to perform medical miracles on a full scale.

And many other things as well.

But, notice something about all these things. They really either make our lives easier, disease free, or safer. This shows that we are still just animals of the primate variety, inventing new technology as we have for many years.

On after thought, maybe the ascension of technology is a major meaning of our lives. After all, the constant upgrade of technology will make life easier for our children, which is what any animal wants to do, as the survival of children means the survival of the species.



We have no "Gods" to thank for this. Only the greatness, intelligence, ingenuity and strength of the human lineage.



[This message has been edited by Metal_Demon (edited 08-30-2004).]

Because God made us rulers over the animals...that doesn't mean we ought to become like them.

Dogs don't have a conscience, either. You are comparing apples to oranges.

We're not making life complicated. It was like this when we got here. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

So, you want to dumb us down by comparing us to apes and dogs, but you would still like us to remain superior.

Can you explain to me how this works ?

Who gave you the capacity to solve such complex issues ? Chance ? Chaos ? Evolutionary process ? I don't think so. Too complicated.

We have been able to achieve immortality since life began. It's called entrance into heaven or hell. Either way, it's forever.

And easier lives creates more apathy. Americans are fatter than they've ever been. Think about the correlation to how "easy" our lives have become, and how many people are overweight, depressed, and unhealthy.

I am not against technology, but there has to be some sort of balance. We can pretty much do everything from the helm of our computer desk. (excluding going to the bathroom) I can even eat from my desk (order a Papa John's Pizza online !).

HOW IS THIS AN ADVANCEMENT THAT BENEFITS MAN ?

Science doesn't have the answer, nor does religion nor does politics, nor does anyone outside of yourself. Although you may take the politicians or the scientists, or religionists, seriously, those, are, the, abstract ideas, that you confuse the meaning of life for. A sunset on the beach will exist long after your body is worm food, but without YOU to call the sunset a pleasant scene it will mean nothing. Our power lies in, giving power to which we identify with. It is through this act in which we give life meaning.

Life had meaning before we knew we had to recognize that we give it meaning.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Who gave you the capacity to solve such complex issues ? Chance ? Chaos ? Evolutionary process ? I don't think so. Too complicated.



I said "don't make things too complicated when they don't need to be". In terms of evoloution, things need to be complicated to explain. Religion, because is it outright fiction, requires no complicated explanations from me, because, as a man of science, I can see the difference between fact and superstition.

Religion, which is simply a byproduct of the "every action has a consequence, and every action must be intended, so there must be intelligence behind all occurances" thought, (which might I add, was a thought even the next step up from the earliest Neandrethals could have computed), should not be spoken of in complicated terms adhering to the meaning of life. It is fiction. Looking at the bible deeply is a lot like looking at Moby Dick deeply; Sure, both are interesting, but where does it really get you? They are both pieces of fiction.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:



So, you want to dumb us down by comparing us to apes and dogs, but you would still like us to remain superior.

Can you explain to me how this works ?



You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Our earliest ancestors were not unlike ferretlike animals, and our later ancestors, the apes, are still some of the smartest animals on earth below humans.

If you really believe that I am "dumbing us down" with my statements, then you don't understand a shred of what I am talking about. Yes, I compared us to apes, because apes are our ancestors. I never said we are apes, simply that we evolved from them. Yes, I said that we were "little more than glorified apes" because we are. We have the same body plan as apes, and many other things, but a much more powerful brain. How is that dumbing us down...our brain capacity as humans has greatly increased since we were at the evolutionary stage of the ape.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

I pulled it from a deeper state of consciousness. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

It's pretty much the same thing as enlightenment. They sit for days meditating, acheiving deeper and deeper states of consciousness until "everything becomes clear", when they acheive it you don't hear about them running around saying "OMG, I know it all. Everyone come here I know the answers.", although they do pass knowledge and wisdom on to those who require it.

well, ok, but let's say you (or anyone else who supposedly did know the meaning of life) decided to actually run around telling everyone else the meaning of life. is that so inconceivable?

imo, it's more the fact that, well, people just dont know some mystical deep meaning to life, and im skeptical about you thinking you do.

but hey, feel free to post the meaning of life here =)

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I already know from a deeper state of consciousness that even reading this very thread would feel like just looking at different aspects of my face in the mirror. But hey I'm not in that state of mind right now, just felt like saying it from past experience.

I'm sure some people know what I'm talking about.

quote:Originally posted by mland-chic:

well, ok, but let's say you (or anyone else who supposedly did know the meaning of life) decided to actually run around telling everyone else the meaning of life. is that so inconceivable?

Yes. To attain this "elightenment" would give you the wisdom to know that not everyone would benefit from what you have to say (And in fact may even get in the way of their further understanding).

You would also have the wisdom to be able to read people with accuracy and then know what knowledge would benefit them the most at their current level of understanding.

quote:imo, it's more the fact that, well, people just dont know some mystical deep meaning to life, and im skeptical about you thinking you do.

but hey, feel free to post the meaning of life here =)



I don't know it. Have you not read the very first post?

...hmm, ok, so basically you dont know the meaning of life, but you know how to get it?

at least that's what seems implied from all your posts. (correct me if you meant something else, im too lazy to go over all your previous posts in detail, only going on memory.)

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

There IS meaning, but God didn't divulge that little tidbit in the Bible...I am sure He has His reasons.

The purpose for which we are to dedicate our lives, according to Him, is to live as Christ did, and follow God until we die.

That may seem pretty simple, but it's not. It's the HARDEST thing to do. I am assuming that, as it is here on earth, the harder we work at this, the greater our reward in heaven. (not to mention redeeming a more fulfilled life while here on earth)

I hope that made sense...I am in some pain, and took some codein to help. *high*

Past all meaning aside poor dear...GOD holds no meaning in stupor. Good faith (luck) in life. True to one's self and proof lies between the lines of your own heart.

quote:Originally posted by mland-chic:

...hmm, ok, so basically you dont know the meaning of life, but you know how to get it?



I believe I do, but only providing that life is spiritual rather than material. It's kinda complicated to explain, since there are reasons for this, that, this that etc. But to put it simply.

All life comes from a projection of universal consciousness ("God" if you like) , and we share the same properties as that consciousness, yet we are clouded over by ignorance. Remove the ignorance and our true nature will become clear. Some religeons call it acheiving "God consciousness" (Jesus/buddah attained this).

The removal of ignorance comes from delving deeper into your consciousness and sifting out the bullshit. You can slowly sift out the bollox by simply experiencing life, and through contemplating your experiences you gradually learn what works and what doesn't (We all do this anyway). But you can do it faster by meditating your way into deeper states of consciousness and contemplating in that deeper state.

When xians say "Jesus is the way", I believe that this is true to a certain extent. I believe that by contemplating the teachings of jesus you can sift out a lot of bollox from your understanding, but this can also be done by contemplating buddahs teachings, or any other spiritual masters teachings. If you listen to any true spiritual master you'll see that their teachings are pretty much the same. Not necessarily the stories, but the concepts behind the stories are the same.

quote:Originally posted by Metal_Demon:

You don't seem to understand what I'm saying. Our earliest ancestors were not unlike ferretlike animals, and our later ancestors, the apes, are still some of the smartest animals on earth below humans.

If you really believe that I am "dumbing us down" with my statements, then you don't understand a shred of what I am talking about. Yes, I compared us to apes, because apes are our ancestors. I never said we are apes, simply that we evolved from them. Yes, I said that we were "little more than glorified apes" because we are. We have the same body plan as apes, and many other things, but a much more powerful brain. How is that dumbing us down...our brain capacity as humans has greatly increased since we were at the evolutionary stage of the ape.

You are basing your entire belief system on evolution, which is still a theory.

Best guesses that lead to a conclusion. Not a definitive answer.

Doesn't that bother you a little ?

I can't argue on these points, because I don't believe that the theory of evolution is correct (at least not micro).

Essentially, by saying that we originate from primates, you are saying we are nothing but "glorified primates", and not only do I take great offense to that, but I wonder if you could explain why primates still exist, if they evolved to produce the modern day human being ?

This planet is a circle of life. Subject "A" exists to feed subject "B". Subject "C" exists to consume subject "A". Everything has it's purpose, and from this it can be derived that there would be no cyclical need for primates, if evolution had occured. They would be an extra species, in the circle...and would thus become obsolete. Even the basic principles of Evolution teach this.

Everything is a balance to something else. Take a look around you !

Originating from primates would steal all the "glory" that you claim humans reside under.

I understand completely that you will seek any other option besides believing that you were created, in the image of Almighty God.

I understand that evolution has yet to be proven, and I doubt that your reasoning is any more factual than the actual theory presented.

Now, you could say the same thing about God...except God IS provable, in the hearts and souls of every man.

He is also provable in certain extraordinary occurances, which I won't explain, because it is clear that you don't wish to understand it yourself.

Don't insinuate that I don't understand you, just because I don't agree with you.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Essentially, by saying that we originate from primates, you are saying we are nothing but "glorified primates", and not only do I take great offense to that, but I wonder if you could explain why primates still exist, if they evolved to produce the modern day human being ?



I've heard this argument before. Maybe it's because they remain perfectly suited to their environment. Some stayed in the jungle, but those who moved onto out of the jungle still had room to evolve.

Well, it's a "theory" ! http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

But what would be the purpose ? If evolution had occured, then the entire species would change, to become a new species.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

All life comes from a projection of universal consciousness ("God" if you like) , and we share the same properties as that consciousness, yet we are clouded over by ignorance. Remove the ignorance and our true nature will become clear. Some religeons call it acheiving "God consciousness" (Jesus/buddah attained this).

The removal of ignorance comes from delving deeper into your consciousness and sifting out the bullshit. You can slowly sift out the bollox by simply experiencing life, and through contemplating your experiences you gradually learn what works and what doesn't (We all do this anyway). But you can do it faster by meditating your way into deeper states of consciousness and contemplating in that deeper state.

When xians say "Jesus is the way", I believe that this is true to a certain extent. I believe that by contemplating the teachings of jesus you can sift out a lot of bollox from your understanding, but this can also be done by contemplating buddahs teachings, or any other spiritual masters teachings. If you listen to any true spiritual master you'll see that their teachings are pretty much the same. Not necessarily the stories, but the concepts behind the stories are the same.

You said it brother.

When in that deeper state, I was like "aha! So this is what Jesus meant..." The bible just seemed to hold more meaning...it's like Christians had been saying it but totally misunderstanding it at the same time.

[This message has been edited by Fuck (edited 09-01-2004).]

Pursuit of knowledge and cleansing the soul

I believe the meaning of life is to wonder what the meaning of like is.

Whatever else anyone comes up with is just speculation.

Cheers,

Lost