Nobody answered my question in my other post so i'm going to ask more direct questions.

Do jewish people think they are the "chosen ones" and believe in zionism? Do jewish people have a nationalistic pride that doesn't except nor will ever except a different nation as a peoples? The only reason I ask, is cause if this is true, we have a huge problem. Most people do have a subconscience attitude that they are superior to others(it's human nature), but respect everyones right to live at the same time. This doesn't seem to be the case with the jewish religion/race since they're religion seems to preach that nobody is their equal and they should be treated as less than them. Jesus preached against these ideas and they killed him for it. They killed him for saying that everyone was equal. Nationalism of jewish people is very evident and they have even created their own country with it and it seams they are on the same track here and in pretty much every other country.



Zionism: an international movement formerly for the reestablishing, now for supporting, the state of Israel.

I'm just asking these questions because the facts say this is the case to me.I know that people are probably gonna call me a nazi, but if the alternative is ignorance and the occupation of jewish peoples resulting in the enslavemnet of the masses, where do I sign. I say this not out of hatred but for my strong beliefs that everyone belongs not a select crowd.

I'll try to answer these one by one:

"Do jewish people think they are the "chosen ones" and believe in zionism?"

- Not all of them. There are many different sects of judaism. One even believes in Jesus as christ.

"Do jewish people have a nationalistic pride that doesn't except nor will ever except a different nation as a peoples?"

- No. What's going on in Ysrael right now has nothing to do with them being jewish. It happens all the time all over the place. I grew up in a latino neighborhood and I remember all these african american families started moving in and the latinos "ran them out of town" so to speak, just because they thought they were making their neighborhood crummy. They weren't making it crummy. It was already crummy. But, it was easy to blame it on them. It's the same thing out there. The muslims are blaming the jews for their poor quality of life and the jews think the muslims are bringing their quality of life down.

That's a super simplified explanation, but that's the jest.

Also, though some sects of judaism teach that jews being the chosen people means they are closer to god, most sects of judaism teach that we are chosen to bare the cross of mankind.

"Jesus preached against these ideas and they killed him for it."

- Also, "the jews" didn't kill Jesus. (First of all, that's like saying "the catholics" killed the British in the War Of The Roses just because Joan of Arc was a war leader and she was a catholic. Probably many of the other members of the army were also catholic, but more than likely some of them didn't really have any particular convictions one way or the other.) The Romans initially killed Jesus. Of course, there were jews around, and at the time the king of the jews was an infamously ruthless king: King Harrah, who had killed several of his own wives and children, and who had it out for Jesus ever since people started calling Jesus the King Of The Jews. So, after Jesus made a public disturbance on Roman soil, he was arrested by the Romans, escorted back to his land but was refused stay by Kind Harrah and his henchmen, who gave the Roman soldiers to go-ahead to crucify him.

So, now you know.

"Nationalism of jewish people is very evident and they have even created their own country with it and it seams they are on the same track here and in pretty much every other country."

- What you're thinking of is Zionist Judaism. Zionist Judaism is a sect of fanatic Judaism that teaches that the jews should own, colonize, and take political rule of "Zion". However, most jews don't agree with this, because (this is a mite funny and will sound non sequitor, but it fits, trust me):

By fighting over political standing both the jews and the muslims are in direct opposition with their own doctrines. It clearly states in the Torah that no jew may own land or take political standing other than the messiah and it clearly states in the Quran that no muslim may own land or take political standing other than mohammed.

Why do you think jews wandered for so many hundreds of years without a country? Palestine, and that area, was the closest thing forever that the jews had to their own land until the state of Ysrael was purchased by the UN for the displaced jews after the Holocaust as a global relief effort. So, the Palestinians sold the land to the UN and the UN sent all the displaced jews there. Most of which had been living in Europe and were very westernized.

They were given a plot of crap ass land and Zionism was born. Zionism taught that it was okay to be in opposition with the doctrine and many of the people at the forefront of the Ysrael land development were Zionists. They errigated(sp) it, made it usefull and then all of a sudden the Palestinians wanted to move back. So, a lot of Palestinians moved to Ysrael (since it had - at one time - been their land, and it was more fruitfull than theirs was now). The jews, themselves, had never enstated any foriegn policy. All of that was still controlled by the UN. They only justified the fact that they owned a land and had taken polical standing by the fact that it was bought for them, they'd just endured the Holocaust, and what the heck the muslims have been doing it for thousands of years and no ones saying anything to them about it.

But, then the Palestinians started saying they wanted to take back polical power in Ysrael and make it Palenstine again, mostly because the way that westernized jewish way of life clashed with their own more traditional middle eastern way of life.

The Jews said no and the Palestinians decided to just take the land back.

So far, it hasn't worked.

But, the bottom line of all that is that most jews feel it's great that Ysrael exists, because it's been a long time and they've been through so much bullshit to get where they are, but they don't feel it's worth fighting over because it's opposition with their doctrine. In other words, they'd like to keep it, but they know they wouldn't be good jews by fighting for it.

"the occupation of jewish peoples resulting in the enslavemnet of the masses,"

- Too late. You're already occupied by jews, and you're already enslaved. Not by jews, but you're a slave to your white-washed christian government instead. Does that make you feel more comfortable?

I hope that cleared some stuff up.

Cheers,

Lost

Thanks for the excellent reply.

I knew there had to be more to the situation. So basically your saying that jewish people are the exact same as every other culture. There is the good, the bad, the opinionated, the careless and even the bottom of the food chain type of people. I don't really see too many jewish people where I live but when I was younger I used to be friends with some. I even celebrated hanukkuh once with there family. Pretty similar to Christmas if you replace the birth of Chist with the miracle of the oil burning for eight days.

I live in Canada, so our government isn't quite as white-washed and Christian as lets say the US government. We do have a prodominately chistian society but just about every minority of Canada is represented throughout pretty much all levels of government. We even have a gay city counsellor and I live in Alberta where pretty much everyone is a conservative.

I don't blame the government for enslavement since they are just a tool of the social/financial elite that don't see us as anything more than controlable livestock for their greater good.

I like to ask these questions which help clear up negativity sorrounding race and religions as it helps everyone understand the world. I, just like pretty much everyone has dealt with racism at one time or another against them, and i'm white. Most people would say what the hell are you talking about. See i'm 12.5% english, 37.5% French, 50% German, and I was born in Canada. Yup, Prodestant, Catholic, Christian, beer swilling, hockey playing Canadian. Doesn't that sound like the start of a funny joke. I also belong to one of the worlds smallest distinguishable groups. I'm blonde haired and blue eyed. Adversely to being blonde, i'm not stupid. If you belong to a distinguishable culture or group and somebody is racist towards you, just sluff it off no matter how bad it is, because you always belong somewhere. See I don't really belong to any culture. Canada is the enigma of the world. It's the only country in the world where nobody fits in but everyone belongs and gets along other than minor scraps. It's the only multicultural egalitarian society that I know of.

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Do jewish people think they are the "chosen ones" and believe in zionism?

Two very seperate questions.

As far as the religion goes, no. Jews don't think they're God's 'chosen people.' They KNOW they're God's 'chosen people,' because he told them so.

Doesn't mean everyone else is inferior, and the Jews don't think so, as far as the religion goes.

Do they believe in Zionism? Some do, but why would you need to believe in Zionism, when it succeeded? I think you need to look past Mein Kampf and read some current history, man. We have Zion. Israel exists.

quote:Do jewish people have a nationalistic pride that doesn't except nor will ever except a different nation as a peoples?

That make no... fucking... SENSE.

I can only assume that's a phrase borrowed from 'ol Adolf, since it's so fucked, grammer-wise.

"Chosen for what?" is the question..

The answer is to perform 613 commandments as opposed to the non-Jew's 7.

"Do jewish people have a nationalistic pride that doesn't except nor will ever except a different nation as a peoples?"

WTF?

I accept all other nations as peoples. And yes I have as much nationalistic pride as anyone from any other nation.

Do jewish people have a nationalistic pride that doesn't except nor will ever except a different nation as a peoples?

It would be like me saying that anyone who isn't Canadian doesn't matter cause their culture is backwards compared to mine.

Example: US invading Iraq.

The question was answered with more in depth explanation of Israel so it doesn't matter anymore.

I meant zionism within every country. On the other side of town where I live there is a massive Jewish gated community. They've completely segregated themselves from everyone. They are extremely rich and won't do anything for non jews. They are also quite renowned for shady business practices with non Jews and stellar business practices with Jews. Like I was saying in my other post, every culture has it's racist assholes.