I keep hearing that it was god who made us. So if we have pleasure having sex is because he wanted us to. so my question is: why is sex a sin?

Sex isn't a sin.

According to the commandments, though, sex out of wedlock is. And sodomy.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

Sex isn't a sin.

According to the commandments, though, sex out of wedlock is. And sodomy.

Cheers,

Lost

no sodomy...

that's not in the commandments

if you're looking for a list of sex acts forbidden in christianity and judaism.... leviticus 19

Because it feels good and comes naturally?

Because "sin" is defined as "seperation from god," and promiscuous, uncontrolled sexual intercourse removes one from divine consciousness and ties him further to the body, forcing him to identifgy himself as flesh alone.

IMO, anyone who says Sex is a Sin has nver Fucked a Girl or Boy in his or her life. That and they should hate their parents and ultimtely themselves for feeling that way so strongly.

quote:Originally posted by overload:

I keep hearing that it was god who made us. So if we have pleasure having sex is because he wanted us to. so my question is: why is sex a sin?

Men are driven by sex. Control sex and you control man. Frankly though, religion is inadvertently responsible for making sex hotter. A simple formula: taboo=goo.

quote:Originally posted by Spirit of '22:

Because "sin" is defined as "seperation from god," and promiscuous, uncontrolled sexual intercourse removes one from divine consciousness and ties him further to the body, forcing him to identifgy himself as flesh alone.

There are people who believe that it is during sex that they are closer to god. Because there's a moment during the climax when there is a lack of thoughts, when our mind gets clear enough to see god.

Because it reminds us we're only human.

[This message has been edited by Charles Thunder (edited 09-06-2004).]

Taboo = goo

Sean's respect rating for MGCBTSOOYG members..... Wolfinsheepsclothin (100/100)

after "Taboo=Goo".... Wolfinsheepsclothin (200/100)

I love you.

because everything good is a sin

Forbidden Sexual Relations

Not to indulge in familiarities with relatives, such as kissing, embracing, winking, skipping, which may lead to incest (Lev. 18:6) (CCN110).

Not to commit incest with one's mother (Lev. 18:7) (CCN112). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit sodomy with one's father (Lev. 18:7) (CCN111).

Not to commit incest with one's father's wife (Lev. 18:8) (CCN113). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's sister (Lev. 18:9) (CCN127). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's father's wife's daughter (Lev. 18:9) (CCN128). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's son's daughter (Lev. 18:10) (CCN119) (Note: CC treats this and the next as one commandment; however, Rambam treats them as two). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's daughter's daughter (Lev. 18:10) (CCN119) (Note: CC treats this and the previous as one commandment; however, Rambam treats them as two). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's daughter (this is not explicitly in the Torah but is inferred from other explicit commands that would include it) (CCN120). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's fathers sister (Lev. 18:12) (CCN129). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's mother's sister (Lev. 18:13) (CCN130). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's father's brothers wife (Lev. 18:14) (CCN125). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit sodomy with one's father's brother (Lev. 18:14) (CCN114).

Not to commit incest with one's son's wife (Lev. 18:15) (CCN115). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's brother's wife (Lev. 18:16) (CCN126). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's wife's daughter (Lev. 18:17) (CCN121). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with the daughter of one's wife's son (Lev. 18:17) (CCN122). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with the daughter of one's wife's daughter (Lev. 18:17) (CCN123). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to commit incest with one's wife's sister (Lev. 18:18) (CCN131). See Prohibited Marriages and Illegitimate Children.

Not to have intercourse with a woman, in her menstrual period (Lev. 18:19) (CCN132).

Not to have intercourse with another man's wife (Lev. 18:20) (CCN124).

Not to commit sodomy with a male (Lev. 18:22) (CCN116).

Not to have intercourse with a beast (Lev. 18:23) (CCN117).

That a woman shall not have intercourse with a beast (Lev. 18:23) (CCN118).

Not to castrate the male of any species; neither a man, nor a domestic or wild beast, nor a fowl (Lev. 22:24) (CCN143).

http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm

Sex isn't a sin and anyone that thinks so isn't gonna have many children so it doesnt really matter.

Above is a list of sexual sins though according to Judaism.

Wouldn't it suck if in some fucked up way there really was a God, and Jesus.

I'd kill myself.

quote:Originally posted by AlwaysHigh:

Wouldn't it suck if in some fucked up way there really was a God, and Jesus.

I'd kill myself.

I'd just kill myself is Sex was banned worldwide. BRING ON THE CASTRATION, you bastards!

quote:Originally posted by cheapandugly:

Originally posted by LostCause:

Sex isn't a sin.

According to the commandments, though, sex out of wedlock is. And sodomy.

Cheers,

Lost

no sodomy...

that's not in the commandments

if you're looking for a list of sex acts forbidden in christianity and judaism.... leviticus 19

edit... it's lev 18

quote:Originally posted by neX:

because everything good is a sin

Everything that is good to the FLESH is sin.

Lack of self control should be embarassing, not liberating.

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[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 09-07-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by AlwaysHigh:

Wouldn't it suck if in some fucked up way there really was a God, and Jesus.

I'd kill myself.

It would only "suck" if you didn't believe in Him.

Hell sucks.

Heaven rules.



It's up to you to find Him, and ASK !!

It's not a sin, but whilst it has control over you (Like ciggarettes, money or whatever) you can never be a completely free spirit.

In xianity sex is a sin, in other religeons it's discouraged.

just cause you said it was doesnt make it true is the best answer i can come up with

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

Taboo = goo

Sean's respect rating for MGCBTSOOYG members..... Wolfinsheepsclothin (100/100)

after "Taboo=Goo".... Wolfinsheepsclothin (200/100)

I love you.



Thanks, I'll pray for you.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Everything that is good to the FLESH is sin.

[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 09-07-2004).]

What? Like eating and showering?

Bring on the ascetism!

i've already been self-flagellating all night.

quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

What? Like eating and showering?

Bring on the ascetism!

LOL

Good point....you KNOW that's not what I meant.

But eating in EXCESS is gluttony, which is a sin. *winks*

kneeling in a pew for 23 hours a day and praying fervently is also an excess that leads to health problems. is it also a sin to pray excessively?

i think its a sin because the person who made up the bible and all the shit about god was a nerd who never got laid, and envyed the people who did so much that he wanted to turn them into him or something along those lines.

believe in the god bullshit if you want you are only wasting your precious time on earth

dude, what do you have against nerds who never get laid? i haven't gotten any in over a year, i'm not shoving my beliefs down people's throats.

"But eating in EXCESS is gluttony, which is a sin. *winks*"

The seven deadly sins are something I can rationally believe. They make perfect sense, just like the movie.(Seven) I would have no problem whatsoever, if they were posted in every courthouse, instead of the 10 commandments.

quote:Originally posted by Eil:

dude, what do you have against nerds who never get laid? i haven't gotten any in over a year, i'm not shoving my beliefs down people's throats.

LMAO !

You're not ? What do you call your efforts against ME ?

what am i trying to get you to believe?

quote:Originally posted by WolfinSheepsClothing:

"But eating in EXCESS is gluttony, which is a sin. *winks*"

The seven deadly sins are something I can rationally believe. They make perfect sense, just like the movie.(Seven) I would have no problem whatsoever, if they were posted in every courthouse, instead of the 10 commandments.

Well, they are actually an extension of the 10 Commandments, if you really think about it.

quote:Originally posted by Eil:

what am i trying to get you to believe?

That I am a dummy for being Christian ?

i don't think you're a dummy at all. i think you're a fanatic, but i'm pretty sure you agree. i may have pre-judged your intelligence when you first started posting, but i don't consider you and xtreem in the same category as 99% of other christians in these forums.

The bigger a hold sex has on you, the harder you find it to stick to your morals.

You'll defy your own beliefs about what is right or wrong to get more of it.

Think about that.

quote:The bigger a hold sex has on you, the harder you find it to stick to your morals.

You'll defy your own beliefs about what is right or wrong to get more of it.

Think about that.

Maybe YOU would defy your beliefs/morals, but I think most reasonable people wouldn't defy their morals that easily.

I don't believe sex is a sin, and i am sexually active. However, I've never defied my personal morals/beliefs in order to have sex, nor have my morals/beliefs changed since from before i was sexually active to after i was sexually active.

quote:Originally posted by jer:

Maybe YOU would defy your beliefs/morals, but I think most reasonable people wouldn't defy their morals that easily.





Stick a guy whose as horny as hell in front of a girl who is 1 year younger than what the guy considers to be an acceptable age limit, and I can garauntee that most men will think "Oh, just this once".

This is just a simple example of someone letting a moral slip for the sake of desires.



[This message has been edited by ---Beany--- (edited 09-10-2004).]

fat people shall burn in hell!!!!!

muahahahahaha

" its alright honey, you just have big bones..."

Sex is not a sin; ignorance amazes me.

quote:Originally posted by Eil:

kneeling in a pew for 23 hours a day and praying fervently is also an excess that leads to health problems. is it also a sin to pray excessively?

sounds to me like you're trying to convince yourself of something

good luck

^mmmmmmOKAY. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

If you're going to be following Levitical law, there's no sense in being half-assed about it.

You have to stone disobedient children to death, never eat shellfish, and never wear multifabric clothing either.

Sex out of wedlock is a sin in Islam. But they're only trying to protect you. In Islam, things are sinful because they lead to problems. Drugs are sinful, gambling is sinful, sex out of wedlock is sinful. Now I'm sure any idiot can write a list of the pros and cons of these sinful things, and you will see that the wrong outnumbers the right.

You can have sex with women you are not married to- your harem is not a collection of wives.

It might be the case that sex UNTIL youre married is wrong, but sex with women who are unmarried, while you are married, is ok. That is how Hinduism is, I think because a man first needs to be liberated from woman by having power over her, and have power over his sex by giving it a ritual dimension through marriage, before he can enjoy it freely without a loss of power.

quote:Originally posted by Eil:

i've already been self-flagellating all night.

Stop eating at taco-bell and you wont have that problem.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

Sex isn't a sin.

According to the commandments, though, sex out of wedlock is. And sodomy.

Cheers,

Lost

Translation:

BECAUSE GOD SAYS SO!!!!!

or so it goes....

quote:Originally posted by infinityshock:

Stop eating at taco-bell and you wont have that problem.

that's flatulating! i shaid flagellating... it's not the shame thing, you know! DUH! why don't you like, grab a dictionary and read it every oncshe in a while... your grashp of etymology is sheverely lacking! hahar!

<adjusts glasses that are taped in the middle, snorts and wipes nose> what an ignoranush.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:



Stick a guy whose as horny as hell in front of a girl who is 1 year younger than what the guy considers to be an acceptable age limit, and I can garauntee that most men will think "Oh, just this once".

This is just a simple example of someone letting a moral slip for the sake of desires.

It's unfortunate you think of morality as that weak. Is YOUR morality that weak? Why assume everyone else's morality is that weak?

quote:Originally posted by jer:

It's unfortunate you think of morality as that weak. Is YOUR morality that weak? Why assume everyone else's morality is that weak?



I'm not saying that everyone elses morals are that weak. But when it comes to sex, morals are tested, which is why religeons advise us the keep control over the cravings. It's not a matter of weak morals, it's a matter of weak will power.

Quit arguing for the sake of arguing. You know I'm right.

[This message has been edited by ---Beany--- (edited 09-14-2004).]

I'm not really trying to argue. I just don't agree with your assumption that people's morals(/will power), wether they be religious or not, are that weak. Sure they can be "tested," but any situation where your personal convictions are at hand is a damn test to them.

I'm sorry you feel I'm just arguing for no good reason. But I don't agree with you, and I have the right to say so. And I have the right to defend my opinion.

We can agree to disagree, if that is what you wish.

Nah, there really is no disagreement. You arent disagreeing with his stance, you are inserting a stupid and meaningless rhetorical clause. Yes, morlaity is weak in people, who the fuck cares, the other guy is right, shut up and move on.

narrow-minded idiots. that's a bullshit blanket statement with no real value. moral conviction is subject to MANY complex variables - upbringing, logical consistency, instinctive/emotional relevance, the immediacy of circumstances in question, etc.

there are some people who wouldn't keep a promise to their wheelchair-bound grandmother of taking out the trash that has maggots crawling all over it, and then there are others that have jumped on grenades to protect their fellow soldiers.

conviction is directly proportional to mental acuity and alertness, which comes in degrees.

another example: while many nazi soldiers abhorred murdering jews, and later suffered unimaginable guilt and regret, they committed the atrocities during the holocaust because of fear of their own deaths.

however, there were STILL a very small number of soldiers that absolutely refused to murder innocent people, and chose death instead. in one case, a soldier in a firing squad set his gun down, stood in front of the victims, and died along with them.

the samurai are famous for their practice of ritual suicide (seppuku), for what would today be considered the slightest shame. read the hagakure, there are many accounts of samurai cutting open their guts and spilling their entrails because of simple misunderstandings. and usually, it was a close friend or companion that would decapitate them as soon as their guts hit the floor.

just because nobody on this board would be able to lop off his best friend's head to preserve his honor, it does not mean that human beings universally lack the strength to adhere to convictions.

it IS a rare quality, and that is precisely why the exercise of righteous conviction is such an important thing.

quote:Originally posted by Eil:

just because nobody on this board would be able to lop off his best friend's head to preserve his honor, it does not mean that human beings universally lack the strength to adhere to convictions.

That's right, but certain desires of a human tempt them to break their convictions more than others. Sex for one, protecting their ego for another. Therefore, diminish the ego, and resist yourselves from sexual activity before the attachment for the pleasure gets a hold on you, and make you do thing you normally wouldn't, just to get it.

Personally I'm lucky coz I never get laid anyway. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)



it IS a rare quality, and that is precisely why the exercise of righteous conviction is such an important thing.[/QUOTE]

Yes.

yeah sure, but those desires are by no means uniform, and that's my point. you're making it sound universally true. it's not.

you keep citing moral weakness in conjunction with sexual desire... no offense, but i think that might be revealing more about your own sexual frustration than any aspect of the human condition. after all, different people have wildly varying sex drives.

just as people have very diverse egos.

What sort of question is this.

Is the road you walk down not a sin to travel upon.

Is it not painfull to be hit by a vehicle , so that one may be uencumberd gfor life,

with the removal of ones limbs, upon contact.

yet is it such a bliss, to travel so speedily untowards ones relavites, so quickly and so hastily, to the one that such owes such a blessin, upon this mortal contact, as in sexual bliss.

Hmmmm...

Doth one question the sin of the firearm, that so faithfully hath slewn ones opponent that has killed ones threat...

That would threaten the life of another's inncoent soul!!!

NAY! all in life is a weapon, a tool, anything you hold can be turned upon drestructice, or constructive use!!

thouh shalt not questiuon the love makin as a sin!! when thoudst hath been brough upon life using this very conduct!!!!!!

quote:Originally posted by Eil:

yeah sure, but those desires are by no means uniform, and that's my point. you're making it sound universally true. it's not.

you keep citing moral weakness in conjunction with sexual desire... no offense, but i think that might be revealing more about your own sexual frustration than any aspect of the human condition. after all, different people have wildly varying sex drives.

just as people have very diverse egos.

I agree with you.

But in respect to the main topic theme, that is why sex is a sin, or, that is why sex is discouraged (or at least for any other purpous other than reproduction).

Have sex for pleasure and you are in danger of becoming attached to that feeling. And as we all know, attachment inhibits freedom.

i re-read this whole thread - if i get your point now, it's a good one.

i got worked up when spirit of '22 said, 'people are weak, so what?' and mistakenly focused on you... but that wasn't your idea.

have i got this right? you don't seem to be claiming to believe that sex is a sin per se, you're claiming that it has been considered a sin because it is more tempting than most other indulgences? ...and that it can be pretty destructive and unhealthy if out of control...

is your personal belief that sex for pleasure is always a sin (or morally wrong)?? or do you believe that it qualifies as such only when practiced excessively?

quote:Originally posted by Eil:

i re-read this whole thread - if i get your point now, it's a good one.

i got worked up when spirit of '22 said, 'people are weak, so what?' and mistakenly focused on you... but that wasn't your idea.

have i got this right? you don't seem to be claiming to believe that sex is a sin per se, you're claiming that it has been considered a sin because it is more tempting than most other indulgences? ...and that it can be pretty destructive and unhealthy if out of control...

is your personal belief that sex for pleasure is always a sin (or morally wrong)?? or do you believe that it qualifies as such only when practiced excessively?

Yeah you got it. I believe sex is perfectly fine, but it's very easy to become a slave to it.

People find it hard to find real happiness in life, and sex is a very powerful (although superficial) substitue. And so it's very easy for people to forfeit their morals to try and cling on to the happiness that they get from sex.

Some religeons understand this, and so try to direct you towards the real source of happines which is god and away from the superficial source, which is sex.

ok. i really wish someone intelligent had posted here. or at least with the knowledge to respond properly.

sex between a man and woman is decreed to be the uniting of flesh to one. it is an act of giving (or so it should be), and is something that should not be given away to anyone other than the person you spend the rest of your life with. that is stated many times in the bible.

if you wonder why sex out of marriage is a sin, think of the amount of pain and suffering people go through because they couldn't control their desires. they feel hurt, lonely, dirty, depraved, violated. this isn't all cases, but many people (1 night stands, casual flings etc..) that lose their virginity in one of those situations regrets it... specially someone who regards their body as a temple, and tried to keep it pure.

almost all things in the bible that are decreed to be a sin in most cases end up causing more problems than they solve. yet the world and curlture of today will not accept that, because they feed off this depravity because people will come back to it.

sex is NOT a sin. sex outside of marriage is adultery, which is...

ever read song of solomon (i expected someone to post that quickly), they talk about many things, there, most involving sex. some even things churches that follow the bible claim is wrong. including oral sex. if you don't beleive me, sit down with a greek/hebrew dictionary, get a copy of the manuscript (easilly availible) and translate the words to their literal counterparts in the language of you're coice..

quote:Originally posted by rakig:



sex between a man and woman is decreed to be the uniting of flesh to one. it is an act of giving (or so it should be), and is something that should not be given away to anyone other than the person you spend the rest of your life with. that is stated many times in the bible.

so what? that does not make it true.



quote:Originally posted by rakig:

if you wonder why sex out of marriage is a sin, think of the amount of pain and suffering people go through because they couldn't control their desires. they feel hurt, lonely, dirty, depraved, violated. this isn't all cases, but many people (1 night stands, casual flings etc..) that lose their virginity in one of those situations regrets it... specially someone who regards their body as a temple, and tried to keep it pure.

back that up with statistics.

[This message has been edited by Eil (edited 09-18-2004).]

Sex out of wedlock is only a sin in Christianity/Judaism. Most other religions worship sex.

Only after ritual consecration or preparation, and certain levels of initiation. They dont "worship" some slobby ManShow asshole getting head rom a stripper.

Hehe, I didn't mean it like that. But they did worship the act of sex. Sex eqalled fertility in many pagan religions.

quote:Originally posted by neX:

fat people shall burn in hell!!!!!

muahahahahaha

Lets hope so, if they don't burn my eyeballs out first, which would be another sin.