1. Who hath sinned...the person who gave birth to the blind boy or the blind boy itself?

2. Is it good to rescue an insect trapped on a spider web or leave it there for food for the hungry spider?

Anyone of any religious orientation is welcome to answer these questions.

quote:Originally posted by homosuperior:



1. Who hath sinned...the person who gave birth to the blind boy or the blind boy itself?

2. Is it good to rescue an insect trapped on a spider web or leave it there for food for the hungry spider?

Anyone of any religious orientation is welcome to answer these questions.

i'm not religious... but if i were...

1. both - everyone is a sinner

2. it is irrelevent. the animals are under our dominion, morals do not apply in their circumstances. after all, it is good for the spider and bad for the prey to leave it there, and vice versa to remove it.

1. Who hath sinned...the person who gave birth to the blind boy or the blind boy itself?

- As far as I know being a blind boy nor giving birth to a blind boy is a sin. So, it's kind of a dumb question. Wow, you just proved the existance of dumb questions. Special.

2. Is it good to rescue an insect trapped on a spider web or leave it there for food for the hungry spider?

- If an insect is trapped in a spider web, odds that it will survive even if it escapes are slim to none. The insects that get caught are usually winged, and the sticky web coating eats their wings, rendering them crippled. Besides, they usually struggle so much they injure their exoskeleton. So, you might as well leave them for the spider to eat.

Niether one of these questions had very much to do with religion, though.

Cheers,

Lost

1. Who hath sinned...the person who gave birth to the blind boy or the blind boy itself?

As far as I know, being blind isn't deemed a sin but i see what your getting at. Neither is at fault though because neither had a choice.

2. Is it good to rescue an insect trapped on a spider web or leave it there for food for the hungry spider?

I'd leave it. The poor bastard probably doesn't live more then a couple days anyway so no point in taking the spiders food.

quote:Originally posted by Eil:

i'm not religious... but if i were...

1. both - everyone is a sinner

2. it is irrelevent. the animals are under our dominion, morals do not apply in their circumstances. after all, it is good for the spider and bad for the prey to leave it there, and vice versa to remove it.



Wow...I actually 100% agree with Eil's entire post.

Well done, Eil. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

1. Who hath sinned...the person who gave birth to the blind boy or the blind boy itself?

- As far as I know being a blind boy nor giving birth to a blind boy is a sin. So, it's kind of a dumb question. Wow, you just proved the existance of dumb questions. Special.

2. Is it good to rescue an insect trapped on a spider web or leave it there for food for the hungry spider?

- If an insect is trapped in a spider web, odds that it will survive even if it escapes are slim to none. The insects that get caught are usually winged, and the sticky web coating eats their wings, rendering them crippled. Besides, they usually struggle so much they injure their exoskeleton. So, you might as well leave them for the spider to eat.

Niether one of these questions had very much to do with religion, though.

Cheers,

Lost

Only because you did not apply spiritual aspects, only scientific.

Both the blind boy, and the blind boy's parents are sinners, though this did not cause the blindness, original sin did.

Nature will take it's course. The fly was created to be food for other animals/insects, and by feeding the spider it had thus fulfilled it's purpose in the circle of life...perfectly engineered with balance and logic by God.

That's my take on it.

1. Only God is infallible.

2. Wait for the spider to come back and eat them both. Good protein.

Not religious

I dont understand this blind boy thing,Are you saying a person who is born blind is a sinner.

Anyway I like the point about bringing insects into the equasion

So If I have lice and I scratch all the time and cant sleep or function because of them, then should I refrain from getting treatment by murdering them. or should I just learn to live with it In fear of becoming a sinner.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:



this did not cause the blindness, original sin did.



Okay, WTF???

And don't spout scripture at me, I want to know why you think this.

1. There is no such thing as "sin," in my philosophy.

2. Good and bad are just labels that have little to do with reality. As a general rule, however, it is not wise to interfere with the course of nature.

quote:Originally posted by Dead Helmsman:

Okay, WTF???

And don't spout scripture at me, I want to know why you think this.

Do you want to know what the original sin was, or why it is the cause of all our ailments and infirmities ?

1. for people who don't get it, he's hinting at revenge theology. As in, what did the parent or child to do deserve the blindness.

yeah, I got it...but I am not going to allow it to go that route, in case you hadn't noticed.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

(I know what I'm doin', Tribe)

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Do you want to know what the original sin was, or why it is the cause of all our ailments and infirmities ?

I know what original sin was, and why it supposedly is the cause of our infirmities. I was raised in church, but I disagree with it's mythology. All I wanted to know, is why YOU thought that. Not why the bible says it is, just YOU alone, sans scripture. Nevermind, though. I know I'm not going to get an answer that's not soaked in literalist dogma.

[This message has been edited by Dead Helmsman (edited 09-09-2004).]

Well, that's objective for ya !

I love how people (a.k.a. Christians) are ridiculed for being steadfast in their beliefs.

Atheists can do it, but we can't. Seems fair to me ! *laughs*

I am grounded in my faith...I'm sorry that is too much for you to handle.

Faith is one thing...

Dogma is something entirely different. It's a manufactured set of beliefs designed to keep you from questioning faith: ie, "original sin is the cause of what ails humanity; I know this because it's aluded to in the bible, which is divinely inspired; I know this also because it is described in the bible, and I believe the bible because it is divinely inspired..." I say: faith is made to be questioned. Your own intuition and a clear mind are all that's required to commune with the Divine. Words can't express what my intuition tells me so strongly. I'm definitely not an atheist.

Christianity is a lower religion because it segregates itself, and declares it's own righteousness above other religions. This is far from Godly. GOD IS WHAT IT IS, NO MATTER HOW MUCH DOGMA YOU ATTACH TO YOUR CONCEPT OF IT.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Well, that's objective for ya !



Correct. That IS objective.

After all, you wouldn't want me to cite the latest Science Fiction novel to support my thesis that Jesus was in fact a purple dinosaur. Would you?