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AngryFemme
2004-09-06, 15:46
Any Pentacostals in the house?

I was exposed to that religion for a time when I was just young and spook-able enough to have it leave a lasting, terrible taste in my mouth that I fear will never go away. I was 10 years old, and living with an aunt and uncle while my parent got his shit together.

The women are pretty much second-rate in the household. Weekly beatings by father to offspring was like a scheduled chore, no matter if there was a sufficient lack of reason behind it. All kids were Bad and "had the devil in them". Boys and girls were kept segregated. They were strongly encouraged to not interact with other non-Pentacostals at school. Arranged marriages, especially in small towns and tight communities, wasn't at all unheard of and was highly practiced. They stuck with their own kind, and there were hardly any exceptions to that rule.

Not altogether different from the required Burkha of the Muslim faith, the women were required to cover as much skin as possible, and long-sleeve, high-collar shirts and ankle-draping skirts was the fashion norm. Makeup was unheard of, and the hair was never to be flowing, or framing the face - never cut and pulled back into a severely tight bun was how most women wore it. Perfume? I don't think so. That would be considered lascivious and whore-like. Jewelry was for harlots and fingernail polish would probably get you banned from your own family.

The Sunday, Wednesday and Friday night in-church sermons was the most frightening experience I can remember. It started out somber and with much goodwill fellowshipping with one another, the women always bunching up in groups and not speaking too loudly so as not to be heard. Scripture was taken literally and in the context of the present. They seemed to focus on the Book of Revelations alot, and the only time I ever remember the preacher cracking a smile was when he talked about hell, fire and brimstone. He'd usually end up screaming and flailing about. There was usually a band present. Not just an organist and a few hymnists, but an all-out seven or eight piece band. The elderly women who walked slowly with a stoop would arch their backs in impossible angles when the Holy Ghost possessed their body, and would be dancing and jerking about like they had been mildly electrocuted.

The first time I saw someone catch the Holy Ghost and appear to speak in tongues, I nearly fled. Yes. It freaked me out that bad. Here was a 65-year old southern, illiterate, stuttering old woman who barely said 10 sentences in a week spouting off an unrecognizable dialect that sounded something like Hebrew. Her hands were moving up and down and her eyes were rolled into the back of her head. People around her, including the pastor, did a "laying of hands" on this old woman, and after a spell she finally snapped out of it and fell exhausted in her pew.

Afterwards, the congregation would have pie and cake and juice and would engage in small talk, like none of that weird shit had even gone down.

I had nightmares, for years.

There are other backwoods sects of Pentacostals who do bizarre rituals such as snake handling, where they pick up poisonous rattlesnakes in complete confidence that the holy ghost will protect and shield them from death. I saw another documentary about a Pentacostal church who would ritually drink poison and not die from it, another example to be given to the congregation on how the Holy Ghost would protect firm believers from harm. How much of this is real and how much of it is smoke and mirrors to instill fear into the sermongoers is unclear.

Anyone else ever witness this type of extreme worship?

theBishop
2004-09-06, 19:30
I don't know where you found a church like that, that sounds pretty insane to me.

One of the churches i go to is considered "pentecostal" and they are maybe a little too "crazy" for a lot of people but definietly no where near what you're talking about. Wow.

AngryFemme
2004-09-06, 19:40
I think it's the region. Southerners tend to hit overkill on most everything.

madamwench
2004-09-06, 20:41
Im penacostel my church is nothing like that lol u just had a bad experance...

AngryFemme
2004-09-06, 21:01
quote:Originally posted by madamwench:

Im penacostel my church is nothing like that lol u just had a bad experance...



Is your church anything at ALL like what I described above? Do you have a dress code? Does any of your congregation speak in tongues?

The particular region was Lafayette, Louisiana. Circa: 1982

dearestnight_falcon
2004-09-07, 00:17
In my understanding, pentecostals believe speaking in tounges is an indication of being saved.

Also, most of their tounge speaking is meaningless babble.

In the bible, speaking in tounges was a gift to aid in preaching - a modern example (made up) would be a missionary going to china, not knowing a word of chinese, then having the holy spirit preach through him in the peoples native language.

Pentacostals often site a verse that says something about tounge of "angels", as an excuse for people babbling meaninglessly.

But from my understanding, the tounges of angels thing should be the rareity, rather then the norm.

truckfixr
2004-09-07, 00:31
My father's aunt was a Pentacost and I attended several church services when I was a kid. I was about 9 or 10 at the time, and I didn't really pay much attention to the way they dressed. I do remember people rolling on the floor babbling incoherently (speaking in tongues) and others laying hands on them. It was kind of scary at the time, until it occured to me that it was all bullshit.Snakes were never a part of any service I attended and I don't recall hearing mention of such practices.This was in the late 1960's in San Antonio , Texas.

MasterPython
2004-09-07, 00:37
What is this speaking in tongues thing?

Since when did God have the power to make a person do anything?

truckfixr
2004-09-07, 00:49
The Pentacosts profess to believe that the "Spirit of the Lord" enters their bodies and speaks through them in other languages(tongues). It's just a bunch of meaningless gibberish and is no real language at all, but it sure seems to impress their fellow church members.

shedding mountain
2004-09-07, 01:36
we have a church around here that is like that, not quite as extreme as what you mentioned, but they do the snake things and stuff.

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The highly respected 1972 study of John P. Kildahl (The Psychology of Speaking in Tongues) concludes that "from a linguistic point of view, religiously inspired glossolalic utterances have the same general characteristics as those that are not religiously inspired." In fact, glossolalia is a "human phenomenon, not limited to Christianity nor even to religious behavior." (Dictionary of Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements by Spittler, P. 340).

Experts in the field of linguistics have diligently studied the phenomenon of glossolalia over a period of many years. One of the early investigations was made in the early 1960's by Eugene A. Nida. He provided a detailed list of reasons why glossolalia cannot be human language. Another early study, that of W.A. Wolfram in the year 1966, also concluded that glossolalia lacks the basic elements of human language as a system of coherent communication.

In a massive study of glossolalia from a linguistic perspective by Professor William J. Samarin of the University of Toronto's Department of Linguistics published after more than a decade of careful research, he rejected the view that glossolalia is xenoglossia, i.e. some foreign language that could be understood by another person who knew that language. Samarin concluded that glossolalia is a "pseudo-language." He defined glossolalia as "unintelligible babbling speech that exhibits superficial phonological similarity to language, without having consistent syntagmatic structure and that is not systematically derived from or related to known language." (William J. Samarin, "Variation and Variables in Religious Glossolalia," Language in Society, ed. Dell Haymes, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1972 pgs. 121-130)

Felicitas D. Goodman, a psychological anthropologist and linguist, engaged in a study of various English - Spanish - and Mayan-speaking Pentecostal communities in the United States and Mexico. She compared tape recordings of non-Christian rituals from Africa, Borneo, Indonesia and Japan as well. She published her results in 1972 in an extensive monograph (Speaking in Tongues: A Cross-Cultural Study in Glossolalia by Felecitas D. Goodman, University of Chicago Press, 1972).

Goodman concludes that "when all features of glossolalia were taken into consideration--that is, the segmental structure (such as sounds, syllables, phrases) and its suprasegmental elements (namely, rhythm, accent, and especially overall intonation)-- she concluded that there is no distinction in glossolalia between Christians and the followers of non-Christian (pagan) religions . The "association between trance and glossolalia is now accepted by many researchers as a correct assumption," writes Goodman in the prestigious Encyclopedia of Religion (1987).

Goodman also concludes that glossolalia "is, actually, a learned behavior, learned either unawarely or, sometimes consciously." Others have previously pointed out that direct instruction is given on how to "speak in tongues," ie. how to engage in glossolalia.

In fact, it has been found that the "speaking in tongues" practiced in Christian churches and by individual Christians is identical to the chanting language of those who practice voodoo on the darkest continents of this world .

Those who speak in tongues are also becoming involved in "holy laughter" - laughing uncontrollably, falling down on the ground, rolling around, having seizure-like activity, being struck dumb, or being "slain in the spirit."

[URL=http://www.meta-religion.com/Linguistics/Glossolalia/contemporary_linguistic_study.htm]http://www.meta-religion.com/Linguistics/Glossolalia/contemporary_linguistic_study.htm[/ URL]



[This message has been edited by shedding mountain (edited 09-07-2004).]

AngryFemme
2004-09-07, 04:41
^ Interesting

AngryFemme
2004-09-07, 05:03
quote:Originally posted by truckfixr:

The Pentacosts profess to believe that the "Spirit of the Lord" enters their bodies and speaks through them in other languages(tongues). It's just a bunch of meaningless gibberish and is no real language at all, but it sure seems to impress their fellow church members.

All I can say is, those old ladies could have won an Oscar for the performance they put on - it was that believable. Perhaps it wasn't just their fellow church brethren they had to impress, but also themselves. If they really and truly believed that it was possible for the "holy ghost" to enter their bodies when the preacher "laid hands" on them, then the movements and gibberish and ritualistic dancing was merely side effects of how strongly they believed it could happen. If they didn't believe it even for a second, then that would imply that their preacher, their gospel, their entire CONGREGATION was lying. It's almost like, to cling to their faith, they had no other choice but to go along with it.

It really scared the piss out of me. The other Pentacostal kids didn't seem the least bit disturbed that these adults were completely spazzing out right before their very own eyes.

inquisitor_11
2004-09-07, 05:05
shedding mountain- nice find

AngryFemme
2004-09-07, 05:15
quote:Originally posted by shedding mountain:



In fact,it has been found that the "speaking in tongues" practiced in Christian churches and by individual Christians is identical to the chanting language of those who practice voodoo on the darkest continents of this world .



Could be a coincidence, or might be completely irrelevant - but the area I was speaking of is primarily cajun/creole. Big emphasis on the creole part, which is also a Haitian lineage. A christian strain of voodoo, maybe?

shedding mountain
2004-09-07, 05:20
there could be some connection.

this lady analyzed recorded samples and stuff from usa, mexico, africa, borneo, indonesia, and japan though.

Digital_Savior
2004-09-07, 07:38
quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:



Is your church anything at ALL like what I described above? Do you have a dress code? Does any of your congregation speak in tongues?

The particular region was Lafayette, Louisiana. Circa: 1982

You're 32 ? *grins*

AngryFemme
2004-09-07, 14:53
32 years, 6 months and 6 days.

But I still get carded for cigarettes!

Yipee

ShotgunSuicide
2004-09-07, 16:20
quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:



Is your church anything at ALL like what I described above? Do you have a dress code? Does any of your congregation speak in tongues?

The particular region was Lafayette, Louisiana. Circa: 1982



Ahh in in the uk and no dress code i turn up in ripped jeans and a teeshirt at times

And we do speek in tonges yeah but it isnt the norm.