All the sudden I'm on a religion research rampage again. I do that sometimes.

I'm having trouble. At first one thinks Satanism is the worship of "the devil" when it's not(I've already known this). Then I hear that Luciferianism is, but I read up on it and this doesn't seem so, either.

So is there an actual religion that "worships the devil?"

I'm guessing not, but any input would help.

www.joyofsatan.com (http://www.joyofsatan.com)

HAIL SATAN!

^ ^ ^ Not really worship of "the devil" though

i doubt there is any sects that worship "the devil" as no sane human being worships what they consider evil, there have been alot of people that claim to worship "the devil" but that is just immature anger taken out at the church.

quote:Originally posted by anubisknight:

www.joyofsatan.com (http://www.joyofsatan.com)

HAIL SATAN!



Is that site serous??

quote:Originally posted by anubisknight:

i doubt there is any sects that worship "the devil" as no sane human being worships what they consider evil, there have been alot of people that claim to worship "the devil" but that is just immature anger taken out at the church.



Of course nobody would worship something they considered evil, but this doesn't apply to something OTHER people consider evil. If you yourself don't consider the entity considered evil by others to be evil, then what would stand in your way and stop you from worshipping it ? There ARE Lucifer and Satan worshippers.

quote:Originally posted by madamwench:



Is that site serous??

yes now hail satan, lucifer, enki, ea!!!

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/

is another good site

http://www.joyofsatan.com

is spiritual satanism

http://www.churchofsatan.com

is modern satanism its more athiestic

then theres your fake ass sacrificing bullshit ritual cults

hail lucifer!

|Its just some of thr info they give is crap ... ie church iis funding crimnal activtys WTF and the church set up by the CIA

quote:Originally posted by madamwench:

|Its just some of thr info they give is crap ... ie church iis funding crimnal activtys WTF and the church set up by the CIA

I wouldn't call sexual exploitation a non-criminal activity....

quote:Originally posted by AngrySquirrel:

I wouldn't call sexual exploitation a non-criminal activity....

Explain please

From that JoyofSatan webpage:



"The Demons are the Nephilim, (the original Gods) the ancient extra-terrestrials who came to Earth to mine for gold thousands of years ago. They are are very intellectually, physically and spiritually advanced. Many took human wives/husbands and were cursed for this by other Gods who opposed anything that would educate or elevate human beings above that of an animal. Human beings were intended to be slaves and when the mining project was finished, they were to be destroyed. The Demons befriended humans and wished for us to become as the Gods."

quote:Originally posted by Spirit of '22:

From that JoyofSatan webpage:



"The Demons are the Nephilim, (the original Gods) the ancient extra-terrestrials who came to Earth to mine for gold thousands of years ago. They are are very intellectually, physically and spiritually advanced. Many took human wives/husbands and were cursed for this by other Gods who opposed anything that would educate or elevate human beings above that of an animal. Human beings were intended to be slaves and when the mining project was finished, they were to be destroyed. The Demons befriended humans and wished for us to become as the Gods."

I dont understand??? wtf?

Christians mistakenly believe Lucifer is the name of a fallen angel cast out of Heaven by God to become an evil red devil called Satan.



There is nothing in the historical record, or even in the Bible, to substantiate this story. For example, the name Lucifer is a Latin word that comes to us from the Roman astronomers. They referred to the planet Venus as the morning star because it appears in the sky just before dawn and heralds the rising sun.



The name Lucifer first appears in the King James Version, Fourteenth Chapter of the Old Testament Book of Isaiah. It reads: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"



The problem with that text is that it is Latin. A search of the original Hebrew text reveals that there is no reference to Lucifer or Satan in that same verse. It is a story about a fall of an ancient Babylonian king. Somebody, possibly a scribe or other angelically possessed religious scholar, took it upon himself to embellish the story.



The question: why would the angels go to such lengths to insert this story into the Bible text?



Aaron C. Donahues interpretation of early events, derived through a technique he calls the acquisition and practical application of non-historical data (PAN), suddenly makes sense.



Donahue believes Lucifer is a reference to an alien being, or civilization, that manipulated the genes of Earth primates to create humans. He says this manipulation began thousands of years ago and may have continued until quite recently.



Consequently, he says it is proper to consider Lucifer as the father of the human race, rather than the evil ruler of Hell as depicted by the church.



The purpose of this genetic experiment, by a race of high-tech and ultra intelligent creatures from another planet and perhaps even another dimension, was to create a third-dimensional information system. All humans are information gatherers. We are like individual electrical transmission towers, sending brain signals of everything we see and learn into a common matrix of data known as the collective consciousness.



Our purpose, Donahue believes, is to give the Universe, or the great energy system we call God, a tool through which it can see and understand itself. It looks at itself through our eyes, he said.



There is a conflict, however.



For some unexplained reason, a number of alien races that share our universe do not agree with the Luciferian experiment on Earth. These beings, the ones we refer to as angels, have been at war with the pro-Lucifer group, or demons, ever since this experiment began.



There is a suggestion that the human brain has the potential of evolving into a force with the power to overwhelm the visiting alien races. This might explain why the angelic influence has gone to such lengths to prevent humans from evolving to their full potential. Most humans still do not use more than a fraction of their bi-cameral brains after thousands of years of development.



Instead of becoming the wonderful creatures we were meant to be, we have chosen to bow down to angelic created religious systems and worship false god figures that are really angels in disguise.



The humans also have chosen to plunder their planet for material wealth, and they have failed to tend to the garden, or their Mother Earth. Consequently the Earth is dying and the human race is doomed to extinction, Donahue warns.



He teaches that the only hope for mankind is to call upon Lucifer to rise again and to help save a remnant of the race so that Eden can be started again.



"We need his technology. We have to make contact. It is our only chance because the Earth is going down in flames," Donahue said in a recent radio interview.



Donahue is calling upon the youth of the world to help by raising their resonance and collectively calling upon Lucifer.



"We are going to have to reach up like monkeys and use all of the resources we have to reach Lucifer. We must reach out now. It is going to be a psychological and spiritual evolution that humans must do," he said.



He said he believes Lucifer can be brought to Earth within the next seven years.



"I see him landing in one craft with many others waiting just behind the veil," Donahue said. "Once this entity makes contact, we will know it as our creator."



He said the event will be televised and witnessed by millions.



Humans will not understand Lucifer at first, and worship him as a god. But he is not a god. He represents an advanced civilization that first created us, through DNA manipulation, and later is being asked to help us escape the fires of our own folly.

-http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id527.html

the mind of james donahue

That's bullshit ^^^. http://perdurabo10.tripod.com

is shit in my opinion. It says that micheal is an OK angel...and he was the one who led the war against Lucifer and kicked him out of heaven?

It also tries to suggest that adonai or the hebrew all father is Satan...it goes on and on and on about love like new age. It isn't Satanism.

It also appears to be a rip off of the Joy Of Satan.

Satan is not an all loving father who is a saviour and has come to bring people salvation or other shit that some people try to claim...this guy from the Joy Of Satan made this bot which spammed chatrooms and said things like:

'Come here and learn about your TRUE creator, Satan. Salvations awaits you! www.joyofsatan.com' (http://www.joyofsatan.com')

or some shit like that. The hp's disagreed with this but many of the members of the jos are like this...wanting to go around converting people and they complain about things like christians trying to convert people and spread propaganda...but you will see that they are only against it because its christian for they have no problem at all with trying to convert people to Satanism and spreading Satanist propaganda...further more they define the JOS when defining Satanism rather then Satanism as a whole...I do not agree with many of the JOS members. Even some of the high preists and preistesses.

I think that I'm more accustomed to something like Modern Satanism except where you actually beleive in Satan and Demons as real beings and the judeao-christian god and the ilk as the enemy...

there can only be one reply - what the fuck!?

as you said this is bullshit Donoghue says,

"Christians mistakenly believe Lucifer is the name of a fallen angel cast out of Heaven by God to become an evil red devil called Satan. There is nothing in the historical record, or even in the Bible, to substantiate this story."

but what the fuck does he back his story up with? NOTHING but speculation!?

this is the most ludicrous mythology I've heard before and i think it's a joke.

so many holes...

this whole discussion is mythology

satan = evil. his name means enemy!

that's a christian concept. why would you worship evil? you can't separate satan = evil and god = good, because that's what the terms mean otherwise it's all just misnomer.

there is no genuine devil-worship (except perhaps idiot kids who want to rebel and think 'sacrificing a goat to the powers of evil' will make their parents angry. People like the church of satan are only a revolt against christianity. they worship themselves and disagree with christian morals and CALL it satanism because the devil is the description of anti-christian. they have no identity of their own.

but if anyone could show me a site where people genuinely worship satan and his minions as real beings i would be really curious to see it....

I checked out joyofsatan.com, and they seem to think that koran states the world is 6000 years, which it doesnt. so can these spirtual

satanist read koran before they make anymore stupid claims.

If anyone wants to about who satan is they should check out http://www.submission.org

click on the satan link.

PS lucifer is just latin for for giver of light and was also the name of the morning star/venus.

quote:Originally posted by ZEN OF AZRAEL:



PS lucifer is just latin for for giver of light and was also the name of the morning star/venus.



Lucifer is a latin word for 'giver of light'. And yes, it is also a name for venus, or the morning star as it is commonly called. The problem is when you look at what the Hebrew torah has in place of "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14. It has 'The morning star", which is kind of confusing because Jesus is also refered to as "The morning star".

Venus/The morning star isn't the name of satan, its just an analogy for something that gives of light, or knowledge. Ask a Jew, they don't believe the story is about Satan, but of a fallen babylonian king. There is some basis in these pseudo-satanist 'religions', but most of its bullshit.

As for that crazy shit about aliens having wars over humans etc., I'd like to see how much more credible this information is compared to Christianity.

just for a minute there i thought someone was actually going to say something of note...

its a shame when 'satanists' appear to know about the bible than christians.

quote:Originally posted by anubisknight:

www.joyofsatan.com (http://www.joyofsatan.com)

HAIL SATAN!

You ass. They believe that Satan is the only God. So that really isn't worship of the devil.

Learn about your own cult you fuckass.

Mr. Witoslawski

P.S. Bump!

[This message has been edited by Mr. Witoslawski (edited 11-08-2004).]

Aaron C Donahue obviously had some sort of horrible childhood, probably hated the church for a his own reasons, and then decided he could manipulate people who are in his opinion "stupider" than him by lying and decieving on subjects that have no rational explanation... And because there is no rational explanation, a man who claims he is a psychic and can make up a bunch of mathematical equations with sketches can easily fool anyone. He will be judged by god and then he will understand.

quote:You ass. They believe that Satan is the only God. So that really isn't worship of the devil.

Learn about your own cult you fuckass.



No, they don't. They're henotheistic, they beleive in many gods, but worship one. They acknowedge enemy gods, and they treat the Demons as gods, for example, like beelzebub was the babylonian god 'baal' or ashteroth was the egyptian goddess isis and the meospatomiam goddess innana.

But they only worship Satan. That's what henotheism is. Also, JOS isn't a cult. Christianity is more of a cult then it is, it is simply a group/coven of traditional satanism or 'spiritual satanism' as they call it. Personally, I don't agree with them so much. But, if it wasn't for that website, I would never be a Satanist. I understood satanism whilst reading those pages, and gained more understanding afterwards from other traditional Satanists and the Satanic Bible.

But the thing about the JOS is, you join the e-groups and suddenly you're considered to be a member of the joy of satan. It doesn't have enough grounding for me. I'm on the e-groups.

But, alot of the members of the joy of satan spell like shit and have never had any experience in the occult but just allowed themselves to be brainwashed by the Joy of Satan when they are not born Satanists and don't have a Satanic personality. I remember one girl said...

'I heard the angels hated metal to the angels hate ashlee simpson cuz I liek her musik liolzors!!!11'

You don't find Satanists like that anywhere else. The Joy Of Satan attracts alot of stupid people because they don't know shit about shit and then read all this stuff and think it must be right this is the truth because it says it is I'm a satanist everything else is fake. The irony is they are completely unsatanic in this light.

Alot of these so called Satanists think EVERYTHING is wrong except for the Joy Of Satan, not just christianity, and islam and judaism, but every othe religion, modern and LaVeyan Satanism and all other traditional Satanic groups. Alot of them are really preachy and bigoted and try to convert people and force their beleifs down other people's throats. This guy saw spammers on chatroom who typed in things like 'www.chicksgettingeatenoutbygustave.com' and so people would click on it for its sexual connotations and it would take them to a christian site. So this guy decides he's going to spam chatrooms with a spamming bot which says things like 'Do you want to learn about Satan, your one true creator? He IS the only true creator god so go to www.joyofsatan.com!'. (http://www.joyofsatan.com!'.) He's like 'We have the truth so it's ok right?' .

One time they found this website...which in the url had a record company name in it, and it was an anti-goth site and the name of the organisation spelt out in its intials P.A.R.O.D.Y it was obviously fake but these dumb shits thought it was real and were like 'Stupid christians!' so one guy wrote this letter to them and get this...

he wrote 'Satan loves you http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)' at the bottom.

This other guy wanted to open a coffee shop which is all the 'true things of father' and then he talks to people and tries to convert them. Another guy wanted to perform fake stage magic tricks and then tell them 'Satan gave me the power to do this!' so people would convert over and 'they would accept Satan into their lives and feel the joy'. Now, the high preists and preistesses disagreed with all of this but still...this is what MOST of the standard members are like, thats why I disagree sometimes with the JOS members . . . but I don't hate or directly slander any Satanic group because I beleive in Satanic unity. . . and one of the reasons I disagree with the members of the JOS is because they're like 'WE HAVE THE TRUTH! MODERN SATANISM AND ALL OTHER TRADITIONAL SATANISTS ARE WRONG!' which creates disunity, so I don't want to be a hypocrate.