At least two kinds of people are going to read this. The kind that believe it's probable, and the ones who believe otherwise. To the latter type, I just ask that you consider this.

It takes a staggering amount of time for the light from stars to reach Earth. I'm not sure of the exact amount of time, but it's around several lightyears. (lightyear=the distance light can travel in a year, at the speed of light)

Now, if the stars were seen by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden as the Bible says, then that means that Earth is much older (Something that creationists can't agree on) or that the writers of the Bible fictionized the entire first part up to whatever point.

I'm not entirely sure how clear I made myself, but I think the idea got conveyed.

quote:Originally posted by mrparks:

Now, if the stars were seen by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden then that means that Earth is much older



Why?

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Why?

Because it takes time for light to travel. Light from our sun reaches us in ~8 minutes, but even Alpha Centauri takes much longer. If Adam and Eve saw stars as soon as they were made, then that means there's no possible way that God had made the stars even a week ago. It would have to be at least a matter of years.

quote:Originally posted by mrparks:

At least two kinds of people are going to read this. The kind that believe it's probable, and the ones who believe otherwise. To the latter type, I just ask that you consider this.

It takes a staggering amount of time for the light from stars to reach Earth. I'm not sure of the exact amount of time, but it's around several lightyears. (lightyear=the distance light can travel in a year, at the speed of light)

Now, if the stars were seen by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden as the Bible says, then that means that Earth is much older (Something that creationists can't agree on) or that the writers of the Bible fictionized the entire first part up to whatever point.

I'm not entirely sure how clear I made myself, but I think the idea got conveyed.



Holy shit! You're right, finally proof that the bible is complete and utter bullshit.

quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

Because it takes time for light to travel. Light from our sun reaches us in ~8 minutes, but even Alpha Centauri takes much longer. If Adam and Eve saw stars as soon as they were made, then that means there's no possible way that God had made the stars even a week ago. It would have to be at least a matter of years.

Oh yeah, cheers.

Good thinking mrparks.

All the creationists say that light does not move at a constant speed or God created millions of years worth of light so it looks like there are stars. Neither is a good answer.

No, No, No, the stars were closer to the earth then because it was right after the big bang.

quote:Originally posted by theBishop:

No, No, No, the stars were closer to the earth then because it was right after the big bang.

Forgive me, I've been away for a while, and I remember that you're somewhat religious, but not to what degree, or your sense of humor, but please tell me you were joking. Please?

Traditional Christian Response:

"Days" in Genesis might have meant "years" or "thousands of years".

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Notice how the average arrogant athiest only finds loopholes in the bible that really aren't relevant to the faith what so ever.

Notice how you completely miss the point of topic.

It's called "The stars and creationism" for a reason. Guess what we're debating... flaws in creationism!

quote:Originally posted by mrparks:

At least two kinds of people are going to read this. The kind that believe it's probable, and the ones who believe otherwise. To the latter type, I just ask that you consider this.

It takes a staggering amount of time for the light from stars to reach Earth. I'm not sure of the exact amount of time, but it's around several lightyears. (lightyear=the distance light can travel in a year, at the speed of light)

Now, if the stars were seen by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden as the Bible says, then that means that Earth is much older (Something that creationists can't agree on) or that the writers of the Bible fictionized the entire first part up to whatever point.

I'm not entirely sure how clear I made myself, but I think the idea got conveyed.



First, the closest star to us (other than our sun) is Alpha Centauri, which is about 4 light years away.

Second, God give us a hint about the matter in the begining of the begining of His Word...

Ge 1:3 God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.



Ge 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. There was evening and there was morning, one day.

Ge 1:14 God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of sky to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years;

Ge 1:15 and let them be for lights in the expanse of sky to give light on the earth," and it was so.



Ge 1:16 God made the two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He also made the stars.



Ge 1:17 God set them in the expanse of sky to give light to the earth,



Ge 1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. God saw that it was good.



Ge 1:19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.

Notice that on the First Day, God Created Light.

Notice also, that He did not make light sources until Day Four.

This shows (among other things) that the distance is not an obstacle for God.

The part that says,

"There was evening and there was morning"

and then puts the number of the day, shows that these days were literal, 24 hour days.

Any Christian that uses the verse that says that "one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day to the Lord" is either missing this basic point, or trying to "get along" with what science says.

Sorry, Rust, I think you have made it clear that you are not Christian (although i pray that some day you will become one). I was not implying that you are. I was just using your post to make a point...trying to move along an arguement that has already been discussed.

But thanks for the opening... http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

Sorry, Rust, I think you have made it clear that you are not Christian (although i pray that some day you will become one). I was not implying that you are. I was just using your post to make a point...trying to move along an arguement that has already been discussed.

But thanks for the opening... http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Huh? I don't understand a single word of that http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Notice how you completely miss the point of topic.

It's called "The stars and creationism" for a reason. Guess what we're debating... flaws in creationism!

Well a debate about the "flaws in creationism", wouldnt be much of a debate if no one defended creationism , now would it?

you see, in a DEBATE people share their DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW, and try to see which one PREVAILS.

Notice how in your feeble attempt to make me seem less credable, you infact do so to yourself.

quote:Originally posted by Watch This!:

Well a debate about the "flaws in creationism", wouldnt be much of a debate if no one defended creationism , now would it?

you see, in a DEBATE people share their DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW, and try to see which one PREVAILS.

No. I can debate with them the flaws in creationism without there being a creationist defending himself. That it wouldn't be a very productive discussion? Maybe. That's you're opinion. The fact remains that what was being discussed in this thread was creationism and its flaws, not the Christian religion.

quote:

Notice how in your feeble attempt to make me seem less credable, you infact do so to yourself.

How did I do that to myself?

I have clearly showed that we were in fact debating creationism, not Christianity, hence your post was not only moot, but laughable.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

Huh? I don't understand a single word of that http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)



I was referring to your, "Traditional Christian Response:

"Days" in Genesis might have meant "years" or "thousands of years"."

and my point against the thousand years=a day... to anyone that reads these, they may think that i was including you as a Christian. And you have made it clear in the past that you are not.

quote:Originally posted by mrparks:



It takes a staggering amount of time for the light from stars to reach Earth. I'm not sure of the exact amount of time, but it's around several lightyears. (lightyear=the distance light can travel in a year, at the speed of light)

Now, if the stars were seen by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden as the Bible says, then that means that Earth is much older (Something that creationists can't agree on) or that the writers of the Bible fictionized the entire first part up to whatever point.



In some cases, it takes hundreds of thousands of years for a star's light to reach our planet.

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

First, the closest star to us (other than our sun) is Alpha Centauri, which is about 4 light years away.

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But thanks for the opening... http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Instead of quoting your entire post, I'll just start off new.

I'd hardly be the one to think "God" would follow natures laws, after all, he made all of us, plus a bah-zillion of other lifeforms. I really don't believe any of the theories out there, not creation(and it is as much of a theory as Evolution or the Big Bang is, simply because there is no grounding of any kind for it)

We're talking hard scientific facts here, though. (I even made this post after reading The same part of Genisis as you did, out of the good ol' unalterned words of infalliable good KJV.

Obviously, nothing is too hard for "God". That would defeat the purpose of having a god. Hence zealots dying for their god.

The Dead sea scrolls are the oldest known manuscripts of parts of the Old testament,(Not including Esther)

Now I'm sure you didn't want a full history of the Bible.

"God", the presence of such a deity is an explantion for everything we can't explain due to not knowing how to express what we've seen.

Look into the Greek Myths. You'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Posidion creates the horses and so on. They had no way of knowing how horses got there, so they conclude that a "God" gave the land horses.

No big deal what we believe or don't. If we're cozy with what we believe, then our beliefs have served their purpose.

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Interesting thought. Never occurred to me before. I suppose, though, that could support either theist and/or atheist beliefs, depending on the way you look at it.

Cheers,

Lost

Yeah, dude creationism is the story of how we came. That's just it, it's a story. You think people far ago would believe they came from monkeys? They needed the story to help them live. Some people still need it today, leave it at that. For the record, the bible is not bullshit, thats like saying any book is bullshit. If you take everything so literal, your just gona be an ass.

Originally posted by mrparks:

We're talking hard scientific facts here, though. (I even made this post after reading The same part of Genisis as you did, out of the good ol' unalterned words of infalliable good KJV.

If you want, i'll post the Hebrew and Greek for you.. to compare to KJV...

It doesnt matter, my point was: light created on the first day, then light sources on day four. This rules out Ancient Creationism. The only thing left to debate is: GOD vs not god.

The Dead sea scrolls are the oldest known manuscripts of parts of the Old testament,(Not including Esther)

Now I'm sure you didn't want a full history of the Bible.

Sure, let's see if what you know about the full Bible history matches the reference material that i have read....no fair using copy/paste, because that doesnt prove that you've read it all. Only proves that you can hold your finger on a button.... Just kidding, but if i have to read what you post, its only fair that you read it atleast as thoroughly.

"God", the presence of such a deity is an explantion for everything we can't explain due to not knowing how to express what we've seen.

Did you think that one up, all by your lonesome? I've seen this arguement many times before. I think this is a very simplistic explaination. In fact, it is just as simplistic as what it is implying/stating.

What makes you so certain that this is COMPLETELY TRUE? Have you searched the whole universe and all dimensions, for God? If you have searched everywhere and have not found God, then i would say that you must have forgotten to look into a mirror. With that kind of ability, you must be Him.

Look into the Greek Myths. You'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Posidion creates the horses and so on. They had no way of knowing how horses got there, so they conclude that a "God" gave the land horses.

Please give me a website on this, i am somewhat interested.

No big deal what we believe or don't. If we're cozy with what we believe, then our beliefs have served their purpose.

If a belief is true, then it is a big deal. If a belief is not true, but another belief is true, then it is still a big deal. If no belief is true, then nothing truely matters. If this is the case, then there is no purpose served...not even "coziness".

quote:Originally posted by Watch This!:

Notice how the average arrogant athiest only finds loopholes in the bible that really aren't relevant to the faith what so ever.

Notice how the average dipshit christian only sprouts out crap that is totally irrelevant to the topic at hand, in a feeble attempt to discredit the authors of an argument which they have absolutely no hope of beating.

quote:Originally posted by dearestnight_falcon:

Notice how the average dipshit christian only sprouts out crap that is totally irrelevant to the topic at hand, in a feeble attempt to discredit the authors of an argument which they have absolutely no hope of beating.

BLAM! In the face!

quote:Originally posted by Watch This!:

Notice how the average arrogant athiest only finds loopholes in the bible that really aren't relevant to the faith what so ever.

How is the age of the universe not relevant to your faith?

the bible stories and metaphors- if any one made u theyed cut their hands off afterwords

The LAST thing we need is another debate about creationism. If creationism had something constructive to offer about our understanding of the world, then people would embrace it regardless of their spiritual/religious beliefs.

As it stands, creationism brings nothing to the table but misinformation and confusion.

quote:How is the age of the universe not relevant to your faith?

Why would it be? The ideal deemed most important is to be saved from hell, not if Adam and Eve saw lights.



quote:The fact remains that what was being discussed in this thread was creationism and its flaws, not the Christian religion.

Proof your an idiot. Tell me ONE post before your original one that the christian religion was not brought up. Not only that, but in the ORIGINAL POST it's clearly stating what he conciders flaws on chrisianity, shown below.

quote:Now, if the stars were seen by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden as the Bible says,

I have clearly showed that we were in fact debating christianity, not creationism, hence yoru posts where not only moot, but laughable.

quote:Notice how the average dipshit christian only sprouts out crap that is totally irrelevant to the topic at hand, in a feeble attempt to discredit the authors of an argument which they have absolutely no hope of beating.



This my friend, is where you are infact wrong. If you refer to what i ORIGINALLY said..

quote:Notice how the average arrogant athiest only finds loopholes in the bible that really aren't relevant to the faith what so ever.

Since we where debating flaws in christianity, tell me how this post, which is in fact debating how athiests (people AGINST christianity) cannot find points more significant in the bible to "prove" it's wrong than whether Adam and Eve saw stars or not.

Notice how the average dipshit athiest thinks s/he is so smart and must sprout attacks on words that are hardly relevant to the religion in a feeble attempt to discredit the authors of an argument which they have absoloutely no hope of beating.

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quote:Proof your an idiot. Tell me ONE post before your original one that the christian religion was not brought up. Not only that, but in the ORIGINAL POST it's clearly stating what he conciders flaws on chrisianity, shown below.

One? How about more?

" All the creationists say that light does not move at a constant speed or God created millions of years worth of light so it looks like there are stars. Neither is a good answer."

"Because it takes time for light to travel. Light from our sun reaches us in ~8 minutes, but even Alpha Centauri takes much longer. If Adam and Eve saw stars as soon as they were made, then that means there's no possible way that God had made the stars even a week ago. It would have to be at least a matter of years."

Or how about the original post?

That they mention the bible does not mean they were debating Christianity itself. The bible is the centerpiece of Creationist belief, hence it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that it will be mentioned in a debate dealing with Creationism.



P.S. I like how you call me an idiot while defending Christianity. It's good to see Christians setting an example.

Moreover, that you had to edit the post numerous times and still have horrendous errors just makes your insults even more laughable.

quote:Originally posted by Watch This!:

Since we where debating flaws in christianity, tell me how this post, which is in fact debating how athiests (people AGINST christianity) cannot find points more significant in the bible to "prove" it's wrong than whether Adam and Eve saw stars or not.

Notice how the average dipshit athiest thinks s/he is so smart and must sprout attacks on words that are hardly relevant to the religion in a feeble attempt to discredit the authors of an argument which they have absoloutely no hope of beating.

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Not all atheists are against Christianity, stop generalizing.

And, perhaps, Watch This!, think about this:

Why is it that you always get so angry and call people "idiots" when you preceive Christianity is being attacked?

If you truly believe that Christianity is right, why do you get so defensive? Who are you trying to convince, us or yourself?

You all make this too easy....

quote: "Because it takes time for light to travel. Light from our sun reaches us in ~8 minutes, but even Alpha Centauri takes much longer. If Adam and Eve saw stars as soon as they were made, then that means there's no possible way that God had made the stars even a week ago. It would have to be at least a matter of years."

So what your trying to tell me is that this post does not refer to christianity? What about that comment about Adam and Eve?

Aren't Adam and Eve in the Christian bible?

What about that comment"Theres no way possible the way god had made the stars even a week ago"?

Thats also refering to the Christian bible.Where it states God created everything in 7 days.

quote:Or how about the original post?

That they mention the bible does not mean they were debating Christianity itself. The bible is the centerpiece of Creationist belief, hence it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that it will be mentioned in a debate dealing with Creationism.

Refer below to the original post, Where within it does it say that?

quote:At least two kinds of people are going to read this. The kind that believe it's probable, and the ones who believe otherwise. To the latter type, I just ask that you consider this.

It takes a staggering amount of time for the light from stars to reach Earth. I'm not sure of the exact amount of time, but it's around several lightyears. (lightyear=the distance light can travel in a year, at the speed of light)

Now, if the stars were seen by Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden as the Bible says, then that means that Earth is much older (Something that creationists can't agree on) or that the writers of the Bible fictionized the entire first part up to whatever point.

I'm not entirely sure how clear I made myself, but I think the idea got conveyed

Wow! I was right. What a suprise.

quote:P.S. I like how you call me an idiot while defending Christianity. It's good to see Christians setting an example.

You obviously have no idea what your talking about. Where in the bible does it say i'm not allowed to get pissed off at idiots? It's clear to me that by all the times i have proved you wrong that you have no clue what your saying.



quote:Moreover, that you had to edit the post numerous times and still have horrendous errors just makes your insults even more laughable.

Since you cannot outsmart me, you assualt me gramatically? I'm sorry, i wasn't in realization that the spelling Nazi's where watching. I don't lie awake in bed at night wondering if my posts on totse are spelled correctly. You have to get off your little ego trip and come to realization that its not a fucking spelling B.



quote:Not all atheists are against Christianity, stop generalizing.

This is what i said.

quote:Notice how the average dipshit athiest thinks s/he is so smart and must sprout attacks on words that are hardly relevant to the religion in a feeble attempt to discredit the authors of an argument which they have absoloutely no hope of beating.

Now did i say ALL atheists are against christianity? No, i said the "average dipshit athiest". You where only insulted if you are in fact, "the average dipshit athiest."

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said all atheists.

quote:Why is it that you always get so angry and call people "idiots" when you preceive Christianity is being attacked?

I litterally laughed out loud when i read this. Yes, i do call people idiots, and i was laughing at myself. This is the one slab of text i deem "true" but Alas, i have legit reasoning for my behavior. Meerly because athiests are wrong. I guess im focusing my agression twards the athiests who frequently attack christianity at you guys, which is not right. And My deepest appologies go out to anyone offended by me calling them an idiot.

quote:If you truly believe that Christianity is right, why do you get so defensive?

uh...because im defending it?

quote:Originally posted by Watch This!:

So what your trying to tell me is that this post does not refer to christianity? What about that comment about Adam and Eve?

Aren't Adam and Eve in the Christian bible?

Last time I checked, Adam & Eve were mentioned in the bible. I already explained why the bible would be mentioned in an argument about Creationism.

quote:

What about that comment"Theres no way possible the way god had made the stars even a week ago"?

Thats also referring to the Christian bible.Where it states God created everything in 7 days.

It's also referring to CREATIONISM. Like I said, and you did not refute, Creationisms bases it self on the bible, hence bible-related subjects will be used in an argument about Creationism.

quote:Refer below to the original post, Where within it does it say that?

Where did I say it said that? I'm showing YOU how the topic was creationism. That the posts in this thread mention the bible does not refute the notion that the debate was about creationism since Creationism is based on the bible!

quote:You obviously have no idea what your talking about. Where in the bible does it say i'm not allowed to get pissed off at idiots? It's clear to me that by all the times i have proved you wrong that you have no clue what your saying.

It doesn't say that in those words. It does say that you shouldn't judge. That you should turn the other cheek.

quote:Since you cannot outsmart me, you assualt me gramatically? I'm sorry, i wasn't in realization that the spelling Nazi's where watching. I don't lie awake in bed at night wondering if my posts on totse are spelled correctly. You have to get off your little ego trip and come to realization that its not a fucking spelling B.

Then next time should think about your horrendous spelling before spewing insults. It completely devoids your insults of any real substance when you can't even spell "you're" http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

quote:Last time I checked, Adam & Eve were mentioned in the bible. I already explained why the bible would be mentioned in an argument about Creationism.



I agree, but this just proves im right? What does it matter what you think will be meantioned, this isn't your forum?

quote:It's also referring to CREATIONISM. Like I said, and you did not refute, Creationisms bases it self on the bible, hence bible-related subjects will be used in an argument about Creationism.

Refer to my prior statement.

quote:Where did I say it said that? I'm showing YOU how the topic was creationism. That the posts in this thread mention the bible does not refute the notion that the debate was about creationism since Creationism is based on the bible!

I already proved on several accounts to you that EVERYONE IS RELATING TO THE BIBLE, creationism isn't the only thing being argued, its mainly CHRISTIANITY.

quote:It doesn't say that in those words. It does say that you shouldn't judge. That you should turn the other cheek.

It also states that all men shall fall short of god, no one's perfect. Can you blame me for being highly annoyed?

quote:Then next time should think about your horrendous spelling before spewing insults. It completely devoids your insults of any real substance when you can't even spell "you're"

I am perfectly capable of spelling "you're". Evedently you just prove to me how ignorant you are because i already responded to this feeble insult in my previouse post.

Behold

quote:Since you cannot outsmart me, you assualt me gramatically? I'm sorry, i wasn't in realization that the spelling Nazi's where watching. I don't lie awake in bed at night wondering if my posts on totse are spelled correctly. You have to get off your little ego trip and come to realization that its not a fucking spelling B.

To the relief of a great deal of you, i'm hereby resigning posting in this thread. I'm tired of being bombarded by off topic attacks of grammar, and repeating myself over and over. If you notice, my responces to these posts are all in my earlier posts. I deeply appologize to the creator of this thread for putting it so off topic. I didn't mean to start a flaming war. Don't bother attacking me personally anymore, im not checking back.

quote:Originally posted by Watch This!:

I agree, but this just proves im right? What does it matter what you think will be meantioned, this isn't your forum?

How does that prove you're right? Adam & Eve being mentioned in the bible, justifies them being mentioned in a Creationist debate. After all... Creationism is based on the bible!

quote:I already proved on several accounts to you that EVERYONE IS RELATING TO THE BIBLE, creationism isn't the only thing being argued, its mainly CHRISTIANITY.

And just exactly how did you do that? By showing that the posts mentioned Adam and Eve? So what?

quote:It also states that all men shall fall short of god, no one's perfect. Can you blame me for being highly annoyed?

That's not an excuse. If it were, there would be no reason to practice Christianity. I could rape and murder half of humanity... nobody is perfect right?

quote:I am perfectly capable of spelling "you're". Evedently you just prove to me how ignorant you are because i already responded to this feeble insult in my previouse post.

Behold

What part of my post made you believe that I didn't know you had already replied to that? None. The point was, that your insults have no substance when you're spelling like a pea-brain.

quote:To the relief of a great deal of you, i'm hereby resigning posting in this thread. I'm tired of being bombarded by off topic attacks of grammar, and repeating myself over and over. If you notice, my responces to these posts are all in my earlier posts. I deeply appologize to the creator of this thread for putting it so off topic. I didn't mean to start a flaming war. Don't bother attacking me personally anymore, im not checking back.

How sad. I was really expecting you to show how this thread was referring to Christianity.



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quote:Originally posted by Watch This!:

You obviously have no idea what your talking about. Where in the bible does it say i'm not allowed to get pissed off at idiots? It's clear to me that by all the times i have proved you wrong that you have no clue what your saying.



I really think (and hope) that i seldom "attack" a fellow Christian (in front of the whole group) for what he is teaching or his style...but, this is meant for your own good this time...

Mathew 5:22 But I tell you, that everyone who is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in DANGER of the judgment; and whoever shall say to his brother, `Raca,` shall be in DANGER of the council; and whoever shall say, `You fool,` shall be in DANGER of the fire of Gehenna.

Your zeal and fervor are great! But remember that you are representing God, not defending your own ego and arguements.

I didn't intend this to start a creationism vs. anything else, just to point out this flaw.

xtreme, I'll answer your post in another, when I have more time.

Creationism might even be valid, but this requires even more absolutely accurate dating techniques to be used. Recently in the news I saw that NASA had found another planet in another galaxy that was very close to Earth, but had extrememly high winds and so was unhabitable.

We have a moon that controls a lot of things on our planet, the 3rd rock from the sun. Perhaps Earth was merely a random freak of what was then nature. I'm not saying that's what I believe, because I believe anything is possible and that we will probably never know the answer (short of traveling though time, haha)

Now the rest of you all can go on flaming each other over differences in opinion, I have to go to bed.

'Night

cre·a·tion·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kr-sh-nzm)

n.

Belief in the literal interpretation of the account of the creation of the universe and of all living things related in the Bible.

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cre·ation·ist adj. & n.

Any arguements about the accounts in the bible, therefor are legitimate attacks on creationsim. Idiot. What is creationsim, if not an attempt to claim that the bible stands to scientific inspection? And seeing as the bible is the basis of christianity, an arguement that bitch slaps creationism also does so to christianity. Watch, do you even know what the hell you're trying to argue?

It sounds to me like you're just a douche who's trying to validate his faith in an out-dated pile of idiocy through any means necessary, even flagrantly violating the entire spirit of his religion (as has already been pointed out by a theist). You people make me laugh.

quote:Originally posted by Watch This!:



Notice how the average dipshit athiest thinks s/he is so smart and must sprout attacks on words that are hardly relevant to the religion in a feeble attempt to discredit the authors of an argument which they have absoloutely no hope of beating.

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AHAHAHAHAH...

You put owned pics up... wow... your really mature arn't you... I'm guessing your say... 15... American Male.

Oh, And I'm not an Athiest you idiot.

I never once said I was.

Please tell me why it is that God would create a universe, that, from all observations that we make, appears to be very fucking old.

Why the hell would God try to trick us?

to "test" us?



quote:The road to hell is walked most easily by those of able mind.



It took you four times to get that post right? are you retard or something?

I'm guessing you didn't notice the little thing that says "UBB code is ENABLED"

"HTML code is DISABLED"

If your words arn't relevant, why the hell did you put them on the internet?

Honestly, Creationists are so full of shit it makes me laugh.

You know WHY there was a move towards secularism?

It wasn't because of some grand satanic conspiracy...

It was because scientific discoveries simply invalidated a totally biblical world-view.

That being said, this 5000 years old bullshit wasn't actually that mainstream until recently, when all the fundies popped up.

Uhh...

quote:Sorry, it appears that that user (Watch This) is no longer registered for our forums. No profile information is available for that user.



what the hell?

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:



Your zeal and fervor are great! But remember that you are representing God, not defending your own ego and arguements.



No. They arn't great.

Morons like him fly plains into buildings.

He doesn't know shit.

I liked, in the abortion thread, when I accused him of having no consideration of women, how he retorted that his "lover" would say otherwise.

Thats very christian... although I was under the impression that fornicators wouldn't have a part in the world to come.



That being said, it IS my personal belief that all right wing fundementalist christians are in desparate need of a blowjob.

We should make in mandatory.

^ i hope you're ready to put your money where your mouth is....(very bad pun)

quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

^ i hope you're ready to put your money where your mouth is....(very bad pun)

Ahahahahah...

That made my day!

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quote:Originally posted by Watch This!:

Where in the bible does it say i'm not allowed to get pissed off at idiots?



I know he said that he was done on this forum, but incase he takes a peek...

Besides, this (and the "raca" post) is really meant for all Christians.

Sorry, I forgot to add these...

Ro 12:14 Bless those who PERSECUTE you; bless, and don`t curse.

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Joh 15:18 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you.

Joh 15:19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But because you are not of the world, since I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.



Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said to you: `A servant is not greater than his lord.` If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will keep yours also.



Joh 15:21 But all these things will they do to you for my name`s sake, because they don`t know him who sent me.



Joh 15:22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have had sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.



Joh 15:23 He who hates me, hates my Father also.



Joh 15:24 If I hadn`t done among them the works which none other did, they wouldn`t have had sin. But now have they seen and also hated both me and my Father.



Joh 15:25 But that the word may be fulfilled that is written in their law, `They hated me without a cause.`



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