Then he flicked his middle finger at the devil, then went back up to heaven.

And another thing. Jesus wasn't religeous. He was simply a human being who was searching for answers. I'm betting when he was noticed by the media, all the local religeons were like "Oh yeah he's one of us", and jesus would be like "Fucking leave me alone, I'm trying to think here".

Christianity just came from a bunch of geezers who thought they understood the message enough to set out the principles in stone. Fuck that. Principles are universal, were around before any religeon, and you don't need any preachers to tell you what they are.

Plus they stole a lot. Many churches are on old pagan sacred sites and many Xian holidays fall on old pagan feast days. There was nothing new about monotheism, and the Norse invented Hell (they called it Hel, and it was cold, but it was the same idea).

Christianity dominated due to good luck, good timing (coincided with the start of the Age of Pisces) and a lot of good PR.

quote:Christianity dominated due to good luck, good timing (coincided with the start of the Age of Pisces) and a lot of good PR.

And because christianity is real.

quote:And another thing. Jesus wasn't religeous

Yeah, his whole practicing Judism and preaching his FAITH in GOD was......?

quote:I'm betting when he was noticed by the media, all the local religeons were like "Oh yeah he's one of us",

Yeah, thats why he was persicuted by HIGH PRIESTS

quote:Principles are universal, were around before any religeon, and you don't need any preachers to tell you what they are.

And i don't need anyone to tell me that someone who contridicts himself left and right has even a remote clue to what the hell he's talking about.

You rebelling isn't cool, its merely a sign that your trying to be differnt because you have no identity. Don't worry, you'll be with most of the generation anyway you idiot.

Yeah, I am certainly no fan of christianity, but that initial post was so full of shit its barely worth talking about.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Then he flicked his middle finger at the devil, then went back up to heaven.

And another thing. Jesus wasn't religeous. He was simply a human being who was searching for answers. I'm betting when he was noticed by the media, all the local religeons were like "Oh yeah he's one of us", and jesus would be like "Fucking leave me alone, I'm trying to think here".





Facetious or not, you say that Jesus went to Hell, flicked finger and went back to Heaven.

Then you say that "He was simply a human being".

Isn't this contradictory?

Before you attempt to point out your ideal of what incorrect theology is, i suggest you scan the flaw in your own.

I've heard better theories from a fortune cookie.

quote:Originally posted by Watch This!:



You rebelling isn't cool, its merely a sign that your trying to be differnt because you have no identity.

Cliche conclusions you plucked out of a hat there. I guess it's just as idiotic to think that if person "A" is trying to be different then the same conclusion applies for everyone else.

Besides your wrong about the havin no identity thing. I do have an identity, but I aiming to change that. I'd rather be whoever the fuck I am and be label free, but I guess we're all guilty of that.

And please be so kind as to point out my contradictions. I'm also searching for the truth after all.

quote:Interesting conclusions you plucked out of a hat. I guess it's just as idiotic to think that if person "A" is trying to be different then everyone else must be.

Edit: Please be so kind as to point out my contradictions. I'm also searching for the truth after all.

Congradulations! your feeble attempt at looking smart just pushed you deeper into the rabbit hole.

I already pointed out where you contridict yourself in my first post, a clear sign of your ignorance and arrogance.

Now watch as i further prove your ignorance. Note how you say...

.. quote:Christianity just came from a bunch of geezers who thought they understood the message enough to set out the principles in stone. Fuck that. Principles are universal, were around before any religeon, and you don't need any preachers to tell you what they are.

Everyone here will agree with me that the statement above is a sign of Teen angst, or someone being rebelliose. I don't agree with the jews philosophy that jesus is NOT the son of god, but i dont verbally assault them. I'll be the first to admit, most atheists are very intellagant people, I hold nothing against them personally. Evedently your an exception....



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Contradictions please?

Put forth valid arguments or go away.

Edit: And I'm not an athiest. You're skills of reading people leave much to be desired.





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quote:Originally posted by Watch This!: Everyone here will agree with me that the statement above is a sign of Teen angst, or someone being rebelliose.

I don't agree with you. And learn to spell Puh-LEASE!

*Screams YEAH! like lil' Jon*

I once heard that Maharishi Yogi claimed Jesus didn't suffer on the cross but went through it in a transcendental bliss. WHATS THE OPINION ON THAT, Boyeeezzz?

*Screams O-KAY! like lil' Jon*

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quote:Originally posted by Fuck:



I once heard that Maharishi Yogi claimed Jesus didn't suffer on the cross but went through it in a transcendental bliss. WHATS THE OPINION ON THAT, Boyeeezzz?

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No big deal. Anyone who has gotten past Metaphysics 101 knows that pain is mandatory, suffering is optional.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

No big deal. Anyone who has gotten past Metaphysics 101 knows that pain is mandatory, suffering is optional.



Exactly, which either implies that Jesus is the same as us, or that we are the same as jesus.

I go for the latter. We are all the sons and daughters of god.

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

Isn't this contradictory?

Not if we are all the same as Jesus.

quote:And learn to spell Puh-LEASE!

I'm sorry, i didn't realize the spelling Nazi's where watching...

As for beany...

quote:Contradictions please?

ok

quote:Christianity just came from a bunch of geezers who thought they understood the message enough to set out the principles in stone. Fuck that.

quote:And I'm not an athiest

this is one

quote:Then he flicked his middle finger at the devil, then went back up to heaven.

quote:He was simply a human being

this is another

Now these are instances where you are wrong.

What you say

quote:Jesus wasn't religeous

The truth is, Jesus practiced preached christianity and practiced judism.

This is one instance where you are wrong.

What you say

quote:all the local religeons were like "Oh yeah he's one of us",



Truth is that Jesus was persicuted by high preists.

This is another instance where you are wrong.

What you say..

quote:and jesus would be like "Fucking leave me alone, I'm trying to think here".

Truth is Jesus Preached his veiws to everyone who would listen.

This is another instance where you are wrong.

What you say

quote:Principles are universal, were around before any religeon

Truth is that Greeks used to get any child that was mentally retarded, or suffered from birth defects, put them on a mountain, and left them there. This was after they had a religion. Clearly actions of people with principles



ONE LAST CONTRADICTION

this is you...

quote:Put forth valid arguments or go away.

When you don't even have your facts about the religion you critisize straight. I am only here saying what i belive to be true. You claim to be looking for the truth. If your going to continue to be arrogant, than i'm not going to try to help you anymore.

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What This! why do you assume merely because he doesn't hold the exact views of christ as you do that he is criticising the religion, and furthermore an athiest? It doesn't appear to me that he's at all against Jesus' message, actually for it, just against the dogma and misunderstanding that lead to christians who come at people with different views with such hostility. Is that christ-like at all?

I think it was ghandi (or someone similar the source isn't important) that said "I love christ but hate christians because they are so unlike christ."

I believe, could be mistaken, that the Jesus went to hell and gave the devil the finger was an introduction for the purposes of grabbing the reader's attention. It worked, it worked damn good on you. The point is he presented his opinion in a level-headed manner and you came here with your "facts" angrily starting an arguement. What do you hope to accomplish this, you can't force someone to believe in what you believe in and obviously someone can't have a casual conversation with you about your beliefs.

How will we ever grow?

I commend beany on keeping a level head, while Watch This! rants and raves completely unprovoked.

My opinion is, regardless of faith or knowledge of the past or texts, beany is demonstrating christianity better then Watch This!

Because a lot of what Jesus seemed to be hinting at, to me at least, seemed to lean more towards the bhuddist transendental style as opposed to the dogmatic mindless (mis)interpretations of text. A more peaceful way of life, a more loving understanding of the nature of existence, not yell at people who disagree with you but listen to them and talk with them.

You might just teach eachother a few things.

quote:What This! why do you assume merely because he doesn't hold the exact views of christ as you do that he is criticising the religion, and furthermore an athiest?[quote]

Please tell me I_Like_Traffic_Lights, does not the following statement made by Beany insult the christian religion?

[quote]Christianity just came from a bunch of geezers who thought they understood the message enough to set out the principles in stone. Fuck that. Principles are universal, were around before any religeon, and you don't need any preachers to tell you what they are

As i christian, i was in fact, insulted by reading that. Dosen't the fact that he deems christians as "geezers who thought theu understood the message" enough evedance that he views christianity unfavorably? Why would he critisize something HE belived in? That's the information that lead me to belive he's an athiest.And theirs no evedance that shows me he belives otherwise.

quote: It doesn't appear to me that he's at all against Jesus' message, actually for it,

How do you get that ideal, when all i see is critism on part of christians. Don't put words in his mouth, let him finish his own ideas.

quote: I believe, could be mistaken, that the Jesus went to hell and gave the devil the finger was an introduction for the purposes of grabbing the reader's attention. It worked, it worked damn good on you.

Not true, i only viewed this post because it only had a few responses, and lead me to wonder if it was worth reading. So i gave it a chance.

quote: The point is he presented his opinion in a level-headed manner and you came here with your "facts" angrily starting an arguement.

See, this is where i get pissed off. People only hearing what they want to hear.Watching him bashing christians and refering to them as "geezers" and such dosen't seem very level headed ot me. His opinon is infact WRONG, because a great deal of his information is wrong. I merely pointed them out, and i did so in an agressive fasion because i was offended by his original post.

quote:What do you hope to accomplish this, you can't force someone to believe in what you believe in and obviously someone can't have a casual conversation with you about your beliefs.

Wrong again my friend, you see, this is not what he did. I want you to start a new post that bashes a religion with incorrect inquries and false statments, and see if you get a nice response.

quote:I commend beany on keeping a level head, while Watch This! rants and raves completely unprovoked.

Unprevoked? What the hell do you call the bashing of my belifs , and the mocking of my messiah?

quote:My opinion is, regardless of faith or knowledge of the past or texts, beany is demonstrating christianity better then Watch This!

You are evedently not familair with the christain religion. Beany mocks my messiah, posts LIES and misleads people, while i preach facts about christ. How is he demonstrating the religion he bashes better than the one defending it.



quote: A more peaceful way of life, a more loving understanding of the nature of existence, not yell at people who disagree with you but listen to them and talk with them.

Again, i challenge you to enter a place of worship, mock the most significant image of what those people belive, and see if you get them to "listen and talk with you casually"

I'm not trying to insult you, I_Like_Traffic_Lights, but the thing you misunderstand, was that i was infact Insulted by the original post, And while looking back at how i responded, they do seem agressive. But can you blame me for being agrivated? He mocked my Messiah, said a bucnh of things that made no sense and wherent true. Than deemed all christians as "geezers" and such.All i did was respond with the facts he misunderstood, and showed him where he contridicted himself. Agessive fashion or not.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Not if we are all the same as Jesus.

i am assuming that you are Christian. And if you are, then you should have come across some theology that Jesus was both 100% God and 100% human. If this is correct, then we are not the same as Jesus, even though we are sons and daughters of God...by "adoption".

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

What do you hope to accomplish this, you can't force someone to believe in what you believe in and obviously someone can't have a casual conversation with you about your beliefs.

How will we ever grow?

You are correct. Possibly more so than you realize.

Christians MUST remember that it is beyond our power and authority to convert ANYONE. Conversion is between the person and the Holy Spirit. We do get a small part of this, by participating in the "Great Commission". If someone is converted, we must not "puff out our chests", but happily give the Glory to God (by this, i mean that we should let God have the Glory, not claim the glory for ourselves).

<different thought>

Under the circumstances, I dont think Watch This! was wrong for the most part. He was offended, so he defended his beliefs, maybe alittle too harshly--maybe not. It did catch attention as to what his limits may be.

Watch this, I've had debated with your kind many times and It's a waste of time. You said here "People only hearing what they want to hear". You are guilty of a similar crime.

The amount of false judgements you made about my first post are building into a nice collection. There's no point me explaining myself (As I would have done if you politely asked), because you are likely to interpret what I've written as falsly as you have done so far. I've seen it many times before.

Your examples of my contradictions ar not contradictions at all. If you ask for explanations you would see, but fuck it, what do I care.



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Views christian's unfavorably, not christ and what he was about.

I know it may be hard for you to understand, but there is a distinct difference.

Merely because someone isn't a bible thumping "YOU'LL GO TO HELL" Christian doesn't make them athiest either. There's Judaism, Hindu, Bhuddism, Islam, and any other number of religions with name's and one can be spiritual without a religion. Ever here of an Agnostic Latitudinarian? One could also be a Christian in a different sence then what normally comes to mind. An Existentialist Christian perhaps.

Where's your logic at man?

Also, how can you say that someone's opinion is WRONG and another is RIGHT? Where's your proof? Were you there? Was Jesus your homeboy and you just happen to have the lifespan exceding 2000 years?

You need to think deeper, my friend, there's a lot going on under the surface.

Having the more widely accepted story does NOT make the better Christian. Whether an attack was happening or not is up to your perception, but regardless you flunked the ol' "turn the other cheek" test. What if Jesus had returned and hadn't told you it was him and had a different understanding of what the message was about. You'd feel pretty bad for laying down a such a verbal assault, wouldn't ya?

What Would Jesus Do, does that mean anything to anybody anymore?

Facts? HA! You wrap "facts" around you like a nice warm security blanket, and I'll do my pondering. In the end maybe you're right I'm wrong, oops my bad. For now I'm seeking after the All, and I'm not stopping until I find it.

quote:Christianity dominated due to good luck, good timing (coincided with the start of the Age of Pisces) and a lot of good PR.

Christianity dominated because it was the official religion of the Roman Empire. The Romans went around converting everyone to Christianity until even the Barbarian tribes were Christian. Then the "Christian" barbarians conquered the "Christian" Romans and today Christianity is the major religion.

quote:Originally posted by Rekkr:

Christianity dominated because it was the official religion of the Roman Empire. The Romans went around converting everyone to Christianity until even the Barbarian tribes were Christian. Then the "Christian" barbarians conquered the "Christian" Romans and today Christianity is the major religion.

the bigger picture, Because it was God's Will.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Watch this, I've had debated with your kind many times and It's a waste of time. You said here "People only hearing what they want to hear". You are guilty of a similar crime.

The amount of false judgements you made about my first post are building into a nice collection. There's no point me explaining myself (As I would have done if you politely asked), because you are likely to interpret what I've written as falsly as you have done so far. I've seen it many times before.

Your examples of my contradictions ar not contradictions at all. If you ask for explanations you would see, but fuck it, what do I care.



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Ok ill ask nicely Beany explain yourself...

It wasn't god's will, it was coincidence. You Christians are so irrational.

quote:Originally posted by Rekkr:

It wasn't god's will, it was coincidence. You Christians are so irrational.

Coincidence is irrational.