Well, I usually have more intelligent things to post as you guys know.

But I started school recently, and I hate my teacher so much. She is fresh out of theology school, but she doesn't know shit. Whenever I ask her a genuine question or debunk any of her assumptions or statements, she responds with either:

a) "Oh, uh, We'll discuss that later".

or

b) "Ummm, I guess, we can talk about this later, maybe after class."

I fucking hate that, I don't want to come after class to discuss shit with this unbelievably stupid broad.

She is this super-duper catholic, just loves the church sooooo much.

Anyways, like I said, I don't usually ask these stupid noobie questions, but I hate this bitch and I need some ammo.

Post problems with the Catholic church. Such as oppresive doctrine or dogma, flawed Doctrine or dogma, doctrine or dogma that isn't scriptually based (I'm counting on you Digisavior for this one). Anything, just stuff I can piss her off with. Anything anti-catholic and legitimite. (Post links to if you can).

Ask about why you need to confess to a priest. I believe the answer involves money.

^ at a doctrine level.. no. I'd say that it is probably related to Priests in the RCC tradition being seen as mediators between God and the rest of us plebes.

Sean- A tip from my high school piss off the teacher days: don't make it like some kinda contest between you and her for the intellectual high ground... even if you reckon you can take it. The game is always going to be weighted in their favour, and when it comes down to it, the student is always the one that gets screwed.

Happy Hunting

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

Ask about why you need to confess to a priest. I believe the answer involves money.

maybe it involves the bible telling us to confess our sins to men

Unless she's your religion/catechism teacher, I'd just let her alone.

Fanatics can rarely be reasoned with and if she's your teacher, it's none of your business anyways.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

Well, I usually have more intelligent things to post as you guys know.

But I started school recently, and I hate my teacher so much. She is fresh out of theology school, but she doesn't know shit. Whenever I ask her a genuine question or debunk any of her assumptions or statements, she responds with either:

a) "Oh, uh, We'll discuss that later".

or

b) "Ummm, I guess, we can talk about this later, maybe after class."

I fucking hate that, I don't want to come after class to discuss shit with this unbelievably stupid broad.

She is this super-duper catholic, just loves the church sooooo much.

Anyways, like I said, I don't usually ask these stupid noobie questions, but I hate this bitch and I need some ammo.

Post problems with the Catholic church. Such as oppresive doctrine or dogma, flawed Doctrine or dogma, doctrine or dogma that isn't scriptually based (I'm counting on you Digisavior for this one). Anything, just stuff I can piss her off with. Anything anti-catholic and legitimite. (Post links to if you can).



Sorry, no intentional help from me. Have you considered that some of your ideas may be wrong, and you arent quite grasping what she is teaching. It may be her technique that needs work.

Another possibilty is that, you may be more advanced (mature) in your faith than she is. If this turns out to be the case, you may need to work on your teaching technique, to help her grow. Maybe you can both benefit and both grow.

Proverbs 9:9 Instruct a wise man, and he will be still wiser. Teach a righteous man, and he will increase in learning.

Oh sorry, I never mentioned that yes, she is my religion teacher. This semester, the subject is "Moral Theology", but we haven't discussed one damn thing on that point.

Can I please get some help here? I just really fucking hate this lady. I had class yesterday, and when I made a valid point, she straight up stared at me for about 10 seconds, the class is silent, then she turns around and starts teaching on the chalkboard again.

Does that sound like what a teacher should do? Does disregarding everyones (not even mine, I just happen to be the best informed in the class) questions sound like what a teacher should do?

No man, she's fresh outta college, she is a horrible teacher. She is just trying to stick with her pre-set curriculum. She presumed that my class would believe every goddamn word she said without a doubt. I'm not even the worst one in the class, there are like 5 other kids who argue with her on a regular basis. I am just the one who can actually site some biblical verses and historocity and philosophy and theology and whatnot.

I fucking hate this bitch. We start discussing buddhism, or rather, she starts talking about buddhism. Out of nowhere she's like "Oh hey, I got a joke for you guys". "What did the buddhist say to the hot dog vender?" and she pauses for a bit to see if anyone knows the answer, In the meantime I proceed to pull out my Buddha chain that was under my shirt, it's the stereotypical asian one, you know gold chain with bright green jade buddha. She just looks around and says "Make me one with everything!". She's the only one who laughs. The entire class is silent. Then I just say rather loudly, "That was lame". She starts to yell back at me, but notices the necklace and shuts her fucked up mouth up. (She has a fucked up mouth, it just adds to my hatred, not to mention the lisp, eye twitch, and constant smile).

I hate this broad.

Please guys, just help me out. You know I'm not a stupid "noobie athiest" or anything, just help me out. I need blatantly Anti-Catholic ammo.

It doesn't appear that you are holding true to the philosophy of Buddhism, with all this hatred.

Perhaps you should just let her make a fool of herself, and remain in peace yourself.

If you "hate" her, then you care about her, in some fashion or another.

If you didn't care about her at all, you would feel nothing, either way.

Something to think about...

(by the way, just do a Google search. There is TONS of anti-Catholic stuff online)

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By the way, ZMan, I havent' forgotten about you. Just been a bit preoccupied elsewhere.

You could always ask her why are Jews damned to hell as well as pagans, they shouldn't have to change their belief to get into heaven right?

sean, maybe you should educate yourself about why the Church teaches what it does. Go after class and talk to her, even though you don't want to. You'll help both of you learn.

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I know more than you about church dogma and doctrine.

I've been in parochial school my entire life.

I'm just very lazy and want some easy links or answers.

Ok guys, you gotta help me out. Today was the worst. She threw me and my friend danny out of class. (seperately). She is ridiculous. I didn't even do shit. I ask her a question, she doesn't answer it. I raise my hand again and wait for her to call on me, when she does, I say as politely as possible, "Could you please answer my question now?". And she doesn't she just shoots me down. Then when I ask to use the bathroom and she says no, I tell her it's an emergency, "I'm gonna piss my shorts Jaeger, let me out". She then sent me to the Deans office.

She is ridiculous.

GIVE ME SOME FUCKING AMMO GUYS.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

I know more than you about church dogma and doctrine.

I've been in parochial school my entire life.

.

i'm sure you do know more about the dogma. I mean learn why it's the dogma. What it's based on.

quote:

GIVE ME SOME FUCKING AMMO GUYS.[/B]



The star argument is pretty solid.

Who did Adam & Eves kids have kids with? Were they too, born in original sin?



In the story of Job; why didn't god just bitch-smack satan? Is bog not all powerfull?



Why don't priests molest girls or, better yet, women? Are they denying their homosexuality?



Why would bog create homosexuals?



Why would a perfect being create flawed beings? For what purpose?

Why?

Why?

Why?

She will regurgitate what she thinks she has learned, but rest assured, no reasonable answers will be given.Never stop asking why, but if you want to get through her "class" be elusive.

^^^ Thanks man, that's what I'm talking about.

But more specifically things against Catholacism, not christianity in general.

But that homosexuality and priest stuff will be good for when we get to that part.

I've been wondering, Sean, why do you go to Catholic parochial school if you're not Catholic?

quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

I've been wondering, Sean, why do you go to Catholic parochial school if you're not Catholic?

quite possibly because his parents dont like the public school system for what ever reason.

maybe they are concerned for his spirituality, or his safety in public school. Another possibility~~ prestige...mommy and daddy might want to say.."we send our kids to a PRIVATE school". I had a few friends who fit in this last category. I was bummed out when they moved out of our public school.

quote:Originally posted by WolfinSheepsClothing:



The star argument is pretty solid.

Who did Adam & Eves kids have kids with? Were they too, born in original sin?

[B] Having kids isn't a sin. And they had kids after they sinned

[B]

In the story of Job; why didn't god just bitch-smack satan? Is bog not all powerfull?

[B] God was trying to show an example of true devoutness

[B]

Why don't priests molest girls or, better yet, women? Are they denying their homosexuality?

[B]

I won't dignify this with a response

[B]

Why would bog create homosexuals?

[B]

He didn't

[B]

Why would a perfect being create flawed beings? For what purpose?

[B]

He created free will





[This message has been edited by Zman (edited 09-16-2004).]

wait. you mean because we have the option to chose between right and wrong we have to be flawed??.

as for the catholic arguments. there are a lot. but stick with the topic she is talking about. she says something you think is wrong. calmly and respectfully challenge her. if she replies start a discussion. if not. wait till the next time, and do the same.

the rest of the class is going to see she isn't able to defend what she's teaching, so will question it more and more, until she no longer can teach you..

quote:Originally posted by rakig:

wait. you mean because we have the option to chose between right and wrong we have to be flawed??.

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No, but we are. God didn't make us that way

quote:Originally posted by rakig:

wait. you mean because we have the option to chose between right and wrong we have to be flawed??.

as for the catholic arguments. there are a lot. but stick with the topic she is talking about. she says something you think is wrong. calmly and respectfully challenge her. if she replies start a discussion. if not. wait till the next time, and do the same.

the rest of the class is going to see she isn't able to defend what she's teaching, so will question it more and more, until she no longer can teach you..

Yeah man, that's what I've been doing pretty much.

But, not to brag, I am pretty damn popular and me and my friend Danny are like the social center of the class, so it's hard to be all polite and respectful at one point, and then goof off and be my normal self at another point.

But that's basically what I've been trying to do.

Oh and SocialJunker, I go to catholic school cause my moms is catholic and because of the superior academics and it looks damn good on a college application.

The star argument is pretty solid.

(You have no counter for this? )

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Who did Adam & Eves kids have kids with? Were they too, born in original sin?

[B] Having kids isn't a sin. And they had kids after they sinned

(Not an acceptable answer, try again.)

__________________________________________________ ________________

[B]

Why would a perfect being create flawed beings? For what purpose?

[B]

He created free will

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(Why? Did you even read the question? )

i;ve never heard of the star argument, and if it has anything to do with science don't bother telling me because it goes over my head.

How, is it not an acceptable answer?

Free will doesn't equal a flaw.

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

i;ve never heard of the star argument, and if it has anything to do with science don't bother telling me because it goes over my head.

__________________________________________________ _______

*It's on this very forum. I don't feel like flaming, so I won't.

__________________________________________________ _________________

How, is it not an acceptable answer?

*Think about it.

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Free will doesn't equal a flaw.

*Nope,it doesn't(at face value, at least), not what I was talking about.

I'm asking why would God bother with us? He is a perfect being; therefore, he has everything he needs.

Why create a bunch of fuck-ups, that he's going to have to deal with sooner or later? Basically, what I'm saying here is: if God is perfect, and he created me, how come I'm not perfect?

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

i;ve never heard of the star argument, and if it has anything to do with science don't bother telling me because it goes over my head.



This shouldn't go over your head.

It takes light from the nearest stars many years to reach earth. But Adam and Eve saw stars right away even though the light from the stars should not have reached them yet. It means either physics or the bible is wrong. Physics is testable.

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

This shouldn't go over your head.

It takes light from the nearest stars many years to reach earth. But Adam and Eve saw stars right away even though the light from the stars should not have reached them yet. It means either physics or the bible is wrong. Physics is testable.

That's all well and good.

But catholocism encourages contextual reading of the bible (something I agree with actually). So they would be able to explain this away.

he didn't create perfect beings or fuck-ups. He created beings and gave us a choice. And he created us to have a relationship with.

^^^^

Yes, I too relish in the "perfection" of a child with downs syndrome, Way to give him a head start God.

You just hafta look at the fundamentals of the faith. If you haven't before, try this little argument, based on the agreed idea of the Catholic God.

They believe that God is omnipotent. They believe that God is omniscient. They also believe that God cannot do anything that is not good; he is omnibenevolent, if you will, that is, he cannot do anything evil or wrong.

How then, if God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-good, did original sin come about, since he is all-knowing and knew from the start that man would sin? How did evil ever become existent in our world? Let's now consider the three possibilities, and how they all contradict their concept of God in the end.

The first is this: God could not stop man from sinning. It was man's choice, not God's, it was Satan's influence, whatever they want to say. In any related case, this means that God was unable to stop evil from happening. This would mean that God is NOT all-powerful.

Another option is this: God allowed man to sin. However you want to put it, if God had the option to use his infinite power to stop man from sinning, but didn't do so, he allowed evil into the world. This would mean that God is NOT all-good.

The last option is this: God had the power and the will to stop man from sinning, but he did not expect man to betray his trust in such a way. This would mean that God is NOT all-knowing.

They base their faith on the assumption that God exists. This argument, however, points out a flaw in their God no matter how one looks at it.

Hope it works for you.

I suggest switching to a non-denominational school.

Cheers,

Lost

Naw lost, I like the school. I had amazing religion teachers frosh and soph years. It's just this teacher I have a problem with.

And thanks for the analysis Crystal.