one of my friends who moved away talked about being a heavy bielever in the wiccan religion, she was the only one i knew up to that point who actively practiced the religion, but not long ago she moved i met another,(we are currently dateing) who also talked about the religion (she said something soon after we met because we are reading a book in school that is about all the salem stuff) and, as stated there i am also reading a book on it for school

i am an athist, and intend to remain that way but...

i did some research and after sorting through alot of....well...crap i found a few sites that were what i was looking for, as i was reading i felt a framiller feeling come on of something that i practiced a while back, at the time i looked twards buddhist bielefs in controol of onesself (when i draw from a religion i rarely go full into it, i usually study what im interested in knowing or acheiveing, which is contradictory to main buddhist bieleifs)

well what i learned to practice from minor buddhist research was i could change how i interpreted feelings such as warmth and cold, usualy could switch the two or decide which i wanted, and, the one that applies here, time altering techniques, i havent felt that, or practiced it, for a long time but i was able to read much more in a short period of time then i can remember doing in a while, and i can still feel the mindset that it brought on, despite music of a differnt nature playing and watching tv

my conclusions about life and bielefs differ greatly from the wiccan ones, and i disagreed with how most introductary basic-understanding stuff insulted/criticized christianity for various things but since it is not as extreemly organised as many of the religions (noted from contradictions and a list of variations i saw) it is (think like from that movie "dogma" if ya saw it) more of an idia then a bielef structure which basicly means (for all u who didnt see the movie) that it is easyer to change, whereas bielefs people go to war over, kill/die over and (more common) get in small arguements at dinner partys over

Sorry man, I could barely read your post.

Could you put it in word and use spell check next time?

Most of us here have a decent understanding of what wicca is.

I for one was involved in it, and I don't really care if I offend anyone here - it was the biggest load of garbage I have ever seen, devoid from any real spiritual truth.

I can read the Bible, or Buddhist writings and be quite impressed by the wisdom of those words, wicca, however, has no sacred texts, no substance. Just easily marketable bullshit aimed at teenage girls and bored housewives.

Screw wicca. My naive attraction to wicca was the start of a chain of events that led to my current state of confusion and "fuckedupness".

Wicca is nothing. It is completely empty of any truth.

Its just bullshit, pure and simple.

The only way it could possibly have any worth, is if everything spiritual is subjective - it doesn't matter what you believe, its all correct, in which case, its a pretty shitty thing to have faith in.

/rant

if someone actually actively disagrees with me here, I might actually post some substance, rather then another rant.

If your girlfriend brought up being wiccan while discussing Salem, do me a favor, and curb stomp her. No one who confessed to being a witch was killed in Salem. They were fined. And "Wicca" is about 50 years old, so they weren't even members of her religion. She sounds like another little jackoff 14 year old who was wandering around a hot topic one day and thought, "What can I do to piss daddy off today? OH! Wicca!"

Ask her if she even knows who Gardener was.

Exd 22:18 `A witch thou dost not keep alive.

Get me my gun.

Yes, wicca is very young. Remember, just because they say witch does not mean wiccan. Many non judeo-christian religions have their own form of magic, though it may not be called that. Wicca is young, and the kids at my school are dumb because they say "Wicca isn't that young, it's been around since the 1600s because that's when they had the witch hunt." WRONG. That was a scare tactic by the church to get people in line, I doubt that ANY of the hundreds of people burned actually practiced any form of magic. Wicca is young, just remember that 'witch' does not mean 'wiccan'. and yes, she may just be a jackoff 14 year old who has no inkling of what they want and merely do it to be cool. It's just like the 'goth' fad, they aren't really goths, they just use it as a status symbol. A good site is: www.whywiccanssuck.com (http://www.whywiccanssuck.com)

Too long, incoherant, poorly edited, didn't read.

I don't think it Wicca has been around since the 1600s. My understanding is that it was created by writers a little over 100 years ago by combinding many Pagan traditions and alot of myth and lore.

fuck wiccans...........

And by wiccans I mean short, fat/or anorexically skinny, dyed black hair, pale faced broads.

whats a broad?

why are those people's faces pale, what does it imply?

I don't see anything wrong with wicca. I've never had a wiccan knocking at my door telling me that I'm going to hell and that their imaginary friend can help me, and I've never heard of any wars or inqisitions or bombings or crusifixions or lynchings in the name of wicca. All I've seen is a group of serious people and their beliefs, which they're entitiled to, and which are exactly as rediculous as those of any religion to me, and a group of wannabes, who are better rebelling with some harmless witch thing they'll grow out of than going joyriding or somthing.

quote:Originally posted by sp0rkius:

I don't see anything wrong with wicca. I've never had a wiccan knocking at my door telling me that I'm going to hell and that their imaginary friend can help me, and I've never heard of any wars or inqisitions or bombings or crusifixions or lynchings in the name of wicca. All I've seen is a group of serious people and their beliefs, which they're entitiled to, and which are exactly as rediculous as those of any religion to me, and a group of wannabes, who are better rebelling with some harmless witch thing they'll grow out of than going joyriding or somthing.

Not that I have anything against Wicca, but I'm going to refute this because I believe your arguement is poor.

I've never heard of any bombings in the name of Christianity either, which is what you are implying. It may be the case that Christians bomb people, but it is not in the name of Christianity. That is; they don't do it because they are Christians and they have to bomb to be Christians.

In comparison many of the pagan rituals from which Wicca was made will have included sacrifice.

I've also never heard of lynchings in the name of incest but it doesn't mean incest is a good thing. You can't judge something by how many wars it has started.

I read in the T2 today about some "White Witch" 12 year old who hung herself because she was bullied at school for believing in Wicca. I don't think a belief which makes you so emotionally unstable is good for children.

For example: When was the last time you heard of a Christian killing themselves because their beliefs weren't understood?

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Too long, incoherant, poorly edited, didn't read.

How would you know it was incoherent and poorly edited if you didn't read it?

All Wiccans are dumbasses. They don't realize that Wicca is just an old false religion when they didn't have answers to things that go on in the universe.

Fuck you all pagans.



-Cas



P.S. Shit... did I spell realize correctly?

quote:Originally posted by zekk:

one of my friends who moved away talked about being a heavy bielever in the wiccan religion, she was the only one i knew up to that point who actively practiced the religion, but not long ago she moved i met another,(we are currently dateing) who also talked about the religion (she said something soon after we met because we are reading a book in school that is about all the salem stuff) and, as stated there i am also reading a book on it for school

i am an athist, and intend to remain that way but...

i did some research and after sorting through alot of....well...crap i found a few sites that were what i was looking for, as i was reading i felt a framiller feeling come on of something that i practiced a while back, at the time i looked twards buddhist bielefs in controol of onesself (when i draw from a religion i rarely go full into it, i usually study what im interested in knowing or acheiveing, which is contradictory to main buddhist bieleifs)

well what i learned to practice from minor buddhist research was i could change how i interpreted feelings such as warmth and cold, usualy could switch the two or decide which i wanted, and, the one that applies here, time altering techniques, i havent felt that, or practiced it, for a long time but i was able to read much more in a short period of time then i can remember doing in a while, and i can still feel the mindset that it brought on, despite music of a differnt nature playing and watching tv

my conclusions about life and bielefs differ greatly from the wiccan ones, and i disagreed with how most introductary basic-understanding stuff insulted/criticized christianity for various things but since it is not as extreemly organised as many of the religions (noted from contradictions and a list of variations i saw) it is (think like from that movie "dogma" if ya saw it) more of an idia then a bielef structure which basicly means (for all u who didnt see the movie) that it is easyer to change, whereas bielefs people go to war over, kill/die over and (more common) get in small arguements at dinner partys over

Sorry, I have to say this... learn how to spell!!!

-Cas

quote:They don't realize that Wicca is just an old false religion when they didn't have answers to things that go on in the universe.

Wouldn't many people argue that? most athiests would, and if you're an athiest you really wouldn't know would you? What is the right religion to you?

I respect the wiccan religion, but it isn't old, it was made some odd decades ago. What I do have a problem with is the ignorance of people, they think that it's the oldest religion in the world and that all 'witches' are somehow wiccan, which simply isn't true.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Too long, incoherant, poorly edited, didn't read.

Absolutely not incoherent. I read it a year or two ago. She or he makes her/his point very well.

quote:Originally posted by shuu:

whats a broad?

why are those people's faces pale, what does it imply?

A broad is a dame, girl, female.

I wasn't implying anythign about the pale faces. They just have white as snow faces, usually from makeup on purpose or being drabby little bitches who never go out into the sun.

quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

If your girlfriend brought up being wiccan while discussing Salem, do me a favor, and curb stomp her. No one who confessed to being a witch was killed in Salem. They were fined.

I assume when you say Salem, you mean the Salem Witch Trials of 1692. In that case you are wrong, during the course of the trials, 19 people were put to death for "witchcraft" (in actually, the whole thing was due to a rural feud among the villagers, religion was just an excuse). The only person I found who actually confessed to being a witch was an West Indian slave, and she, of course, was not killed, as slaves cost money.

quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

I assume when you say Salem, you mean the Salem Witch Trials of 1692. In that case you are wrong, during the course of the trials, 19 people were put to death for "witchcraft" (in actually, the whole thing was due to a rural feud among the villagers, religion was just an excuse). The only person I found who actually confessed to being a witch was an West Indian slave, and she, of course, was not killed, as slaves cost money.

Umm..... you realize your almost completely confirmed him?

Like he said - not one person killed actually confessed to being a witch - only bit he was wrong about was the fine bit, since the slave would have been sent back to the cotton fields.

quote:Originally posted by Aphelion Corona:

Not that I have anything against Wicca, but I'm going to refute this because I believe your arguement is poor.

I've never heard of any bombings in the name of Christianity either, which is what you are implying. It may be the case that Christians bomb people, but it is not in the name of Christianity. That is; they don't do it because they are Christians and they have to bomb to be Christians.

In comparison many of the pagan rituals from which Wicca was made will have included sacrifice.

I've also never heard of lynchings in the name of incest but it doesn't mean incest is a good thing. You can't judge something by how many wars it has started.

I read in the T2 today about some "White Witch" 12 year old who hung herself because she was bullied at school for believing in Wicca. I don't think a belief which makes you so emotionally unstable is good for children.

For example: When was the last time you heard of a Christian killing themselves because their beliefs weren't understood?

I wasn't referring to Christianity with the bombings thing, I was referring to Islam. Stop being to egocentric. Wiccan sacrifice? Surely not human sacrifice? Now who's making it up!

False belief in wicca doesn't make you emotionally unstable, being a teenager makes you emotionally unstable. Pretending you're a wiccan is just a concequence of wanting to be noticed, I'm sure that girl would've found somthing else to be bullied about if not wicca.

Wicca is an invented religion gleaned from Goddess Worship from multiple cultures. It is a synthetic syncretistic religion.

If a person wants to follow a true Polytheist Path they should consider Asatru, Gaelic Traditionalism, Greco/Roman Religion, or Slavic Paganism.

Most Pagan traditions have been adopted into Christianity, even into other faiths as inter-faith marriages rise.

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quote:Originally posted by Aphelion Corona:

I've never heard of any bombings in the name of Christianity either, which is what you are implying.

The reason there are no bombings in the name of Christianity is because there are no fundementalist Christian states. We call those times when Christianity controled contries the dark ages.

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

The reason there are no bombings in the name of Christianity is because there are no fundementalist Christian states. We call those times when Christianity controled contries the dark ages.

What about the constant struggle between Protestantism and Catholicism in Ireland? That has gotten pretty ugly over the years.

quote:Originally posted by dearestnight_falcon:

Umm..... you realize your almost completely confirmed him?

Like he said - not one person killed actually confessed to being a witch - only bit he was wrong about was the fine bit, since the slave would have been sent back to the cotton fields.

No, not really, I was just pointing out that the only reason that person was not killed for confessing to witchcraft was because she was a slave.

Also, SurahAhriman seemed to imply that there were multiple people who confessed to being witchs and "got away with it". Just a misunderstanding due to the vagueness of his post.

Actually, it was just a fine, provided you confessed. If you refused to confess, then people were occasionally put to death. The woman who was sold as a slave was probably unable to pay her fine, and was sold to pay it.

"No one who confessed to being a witch was put to death. They [people who confessed] were fined." I'm not sure how that was vague.



Of course, if you can provide documentation that shows otherwise, I'll happily recant.

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quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

What about the constant struggle between Protestantism and Catholicism in Ireland? That has gotten pretty ugly over the years.



Religion is merely an ideology for that conflict. Catholicism is associated with the Irish peasants who were exploited by the rich english (and protestant) landowners.

Even the protestant/catholic wars in Europe possibly owed more to political agendas (e.g. not paying tribute to Rome)than to legitimate theological differences.

before i come over there and rape you eyesocket let me say this

wicca is a spoof religion of the druids............

quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

What about the constant struggle between Protestantism and Catholicism in Ireland? That has gotten pretty ugly over the years.

Forgot about those. I am suprised that someone has not said that Catholics and Prodestants are not Christians.