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Cash Stealer
2004-10-22, 18:08
There is either a God, or there isn't.

Keeping that in mind, Christianity says that there is a God, a Heaven, and a Hell. If you don't do what God says, you will burn in hell for all eternity.

I personally find it hard to belive that a God of such power would create the human race, and send billions of humans to hell and others to heaven. How could a "loving" God stand to torture his own creations for all eternity? I could understand if the sinners had to endure this punishment for their sins for say, 100 years. That, in my mind, could be conceived as fair and just. An eye for an eye, if you sin for 68 years, you face 68 years of hell.

However, to say that you burn in hell forever, is going to far. Nowhere along the line will God allow the people of hell to have their pain ceased.

I find this hard to believe.

Humans are the first known species to be capable of rational thought. Unlike other animals that are driven by instinct and the ultimate goal of "reproduction and carrying on the species," we can think for ourselves. It would be natural for a species capable of rational thought to try to explain their origin.

Its hard to believe that we evolved from something else, so the easiest answer would be that something created us.

Using this fundamental part of human thinking, we can start our own religion.

The ancient Egyptsians had a ruler known as a "pharaoh." Somewhere along the line, an Egyptsian ruler created a story about many gods. He told the people of egypt that these gods controlled everything in the world, and if you did not follow them, you would be killed. The pharaoh was believed to be sent by these gods. Over many years, the people of Egypt began to fear these gods, and because of that they feared the pharaoh. The pharaoh was considered "divine" and he was considered to be a god himself. If you crossed the pharoah, you would pay. The pharaoh had a psychological hold over his people, and his people would do anything he said.

How do you make humans, as a species, capable of thinking for themselves, do what you say? Simple, you have to make them FEAR what will happen if they don't.

Think about it.

What would keep you from robbing a bank tomorrow?

You might be caught and sent to jail.

What keeps you from having unprotected sex with everyone you meet?

You might contract and STD, or get the girl pregnant.

What keeps you from shooting heroin?

You might get addicted, and face severe health consequenses.

Its this FEAR that keeps us from doing what is considered "wrong." Without fear, humans can't be controlled. Life would be one mad raving sex orgy and nobody would give a damn about anything.

Now, lets pretend we are 2,000 years in the past. A few people get together and decide that humans shouldn't be "sinning" so much, but nobody wants to stop. People are getting drunk, having sex, and generally being "evil." This band of people create a new story, a religion. They write it down in a book, and call it the Bible. They say there is a God, a Heaven, and a Hell. If you don't believe in God, and do what he says, you will burn in hell for all eternity.

Religions have been created thousands of times before, why would this new religion be any different?

Because it strikes fear into the people that read about it. The thought of living for all enternity in a place of fire and pain is enough to make anybody do what you say.

Once the religion was created, it spread like wildfire. It was the first religion to have such a severe punishment for people that didn't believe. Because of that, many people decided to convert.

This is exactly like the Pharaoh and Egypt. Instead of the Pharaoh having a psychological hold over the people, this God has taken his place.

There is a possibility that God indeed does exist, but it is also just as possible that he does not. This fear that I have described may be clouding your judgement.

[This message has been edited by Cash Stealer (edited 10-24-2004).]

Social Junker
2004-10-22, 19:54
A quote that would go nicely with this:



"Religion is an illusion, and it derives its strength from its readiness to fit in with our instinctual wishful impulses."



-Sigmund Freud

brinthia8
2004-10-22, 20:26
one thing i always thought was interesting was that other religions had specific names for their gods --- ie, allah, buddha (even though hes a prophet he is in fact revered as a god) etc. chrisitianity uses the generic term "god." apparently "god" must not be a very creative divinity.

Social Junker
2004-10-22, 23:46
quote:Originally posted by brinthia8:

one thing i always thought was interesting was that other religions had specific names for their gods --- ie, allah, buddha (even though hes a prophet he is in fact revered as a god) etc. chrisitianity uses the generic term "god." apparently "god" must not be a very creative divinity.

In some Buddhist traditions, it might appear that Buddha is being worshipped as a god, but it isn't what it seems. Buddha was a teacher, and more importantly, Buddha is not just one person, but countless beings who have existed in the past and who will exist in the future.

In my opinion, as a Buddhist, the historical Buddha was not "divine" in any sense of the word, he was not half-god, half-mortal, etc. That is what makes Buddhism so special to me, Gautama was a human being looking for escape from desire and suffering, and he found it. That gives me hope.

Edit-Sorry, didn't mean to derail this topic with a tangent.

[This message has been edited by Social Junker (edited 10-22-2004).]

Sempre Solipsist
2004-10-22, 23:50
quote:Originally posted by Cash Stealer:

There is either a God, or there isn't.



OR

There is a God and a Goddess. Or just a Goddess. Or many Gods and Goddesses. Or no "God" but lots of "gods" - there are many possibilities. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Hail Eris.

piewalker101
2004-10-23, 21:47
I agree with cash stealer in a way, I mean when I think about why we have religion that is a possible reason. But bear in mind people could be religious becasue they need somthing to beleive in, or need an explanation to everything. Some religions may even have been started off to give somone power, like a cult perhaps. I admit though that don't know a thing about the origins of any religions so try not to take offense at any of my theories, paticularly that last one.

I_Like_Traffic_Lights
2004-10-23, 22:21
An extra boost of fear for the fearful. Be afraid, but LO! be not afraid if ye have faith.

Seems kinda silly. How about just not be afraid of dying? It's gonna happen. Without death there could be no life.

Lucky
2004-10-24, 21:53
quote:Originally posted by Cash Stealer:



Nowhere along the line will God allow the people of hell to have their pain ceased.

[This message has been edited by Cash Stealer (edited 10-24-2004).]

I know in the creed or the bible or something it talks how at the end of the world " he will come to judge the living and the dead" The dead meaning people who are in hell. It isnt like God does not care about those people who are in hell. After jesus died it says that he went down to hell to see the dead. We dont know if hell is forever or not.



As well I think your reasoning of why christianity was create doesnt take into account how christians were treated a few thousand years ago. They were tortured and killed and persectued. Dont you think if it all was some big ass lie it would have fallen apart at this persecution? No one is that dedicated to this lie. Plus why would a bunch of people al gather around and just pull some religion out of the air because they were concerned with how people are acting? They were already under the rule of a roman government they are not going to try and make up new rules and get themselves killed just because they felt people were being sinful.

As for the name of God being unoriginal thats honestly just dumb. The name of just God came from Judaism. Jewish people felt that God was too holy to have his name spoken so they called him Yahway ( I dont know how to spell it) which translates into God and its stuck.

Honestly guys think your thoughts through before you post something like what cashgrabber said.



[This message has been edited by Lucky (edited 10-24-2004).]

MasterPython
2004-10-24, 22:27
quote:Originally posted by brinthia8:

one thing i always thought was interesting was that other religions had specific names for their gods --- ie, allah, buddha (even though hes a prophet he is in fact revered as a god) etc. chrisitianity uses the generic term "god." apparently "god" must not be a very creative divinity.

The Christian/Jewish God's name is YHWH. Not sure how you say that.

Hammer&Sickle
2004-10-27, 02:26
The name of the Christian God...Jesus, there. and as for this deal with "I can't believe God would do such a thing". God doesn't do anything for us, good or bad, all suffering is caused by man or nature (hurricanes for example). He doesn't smite us, at least not that I've seen. He doesn't send us to some place as far as I'm concerned, he allows us a choice to go to hell or heaven.

FisherofMen
2004-10-27, 02:41
Have you considered that God has offered us a choice? Maybe He doesn't really send us to hell, but offers us a way to avoid hell?

At some point, don't you think there is a personal responsibility factored in?

Like, my friend gives me a shotgun for Christmas. He knows I am not crazy or retarded or anything. He then gives me the choice... I can either point it at my head and pull the trigger, or I can put it on the on the wall over the fireplace. If I choose to shoot myself, that doesn't make him responsible for my actions, does it?