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Cezar
2004-10-29, 15:07
I don't speak spanish so I can't tell you much about this, in the link below you'll find some pics of Hitler and his friend the Pope, and a text about it. And for those of you who speak spanish, help us with some information, it's really interesting...

http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/nazis.html

I am new here so I don't know if this subject has been discussed yet...

Fanglekai
2004-10-29, 20:30
i'll put up some of it, but i can't do that much because i don't have a lot of time.

if anyone really wants me to, i could be motivated to do more.



the messianic faith: christians in the nazi era

many negate and others ask pardon, but the totally of the truth isn't always completely known by the majority. The fascist regimes of Europe between the years 1920 and 1940 were amply supported by the majority of Christianity. The nazi regime in Germany under Hitler, the facist Italy under Mussolini, the Facist Spain under Franco, so also the director of Portugal of the epoch, the regime “clergy-fascist” of Tiso in Slovakia and the Ustashas of Croatia are historical problems contending to the supported regimes by Christianity during the 20th century.

The firm of the Concordat on the part of the Cardinal Pacelli (but late known as the Pope I Chirp XII). In the year 1933, the was a Secretary of state of the Vatican one. Two positions toward the left he is found seated Franz von Papen who was Papal Forerunner in Germany. It stopped to the right extreme a little acquaintance prelate he can be seen of the Vatican call, Montini, who but late he was transformed into the Pope Pablo I SAW.

Caracter Main



Eugenio Pacelli, also known as the Pope I Chirp XII from 1939 to 1958. Brilliant diplomat, astute politician and religious crusader. It was appointed Papal Forerunner in Germany in 1920, being transformed thus in the first Forerunner in that country since the century XVI. He, more than any another foreigner, aid to Hitler to arrive al to be able. Main personage of the 20th century. It transforms al Vatican in a global political instrument. Its obsession was the communism and thus is transformed into one of the main instigators of the Cold War.



Hitler Man of God



Hitler always showed and caused publishes its faith. In this photo shows it leaving the Church Marine of Wilhelmshaven.



Hitler praying

The original photo says: "Der ergreifende Abschlub der Kundgebung in Wien: Wir treten zum Beten. .."

[the emotional and emotional end to a concentration in Vienna: we Pray...]

Source: Hitler: The Hoffmann Photographs, Vol. 1, Ray R. Cowdery, Ed., 1990

Happy Birthday Führer

April 20, 1939 , the Archbishop I Ceased Orsenigo, Papal forerunner in Berlin, celebrates the birthday of Hitler. The celebrations initiated by Pacelli (Pope I Chirp XII) they were transformed into a tradition. Each 20 from April the Cardinal one Bertram of Berlin sent its "but warm congratulations al Fuhrer in name of the bishops and the diósesis of Germany with the fervent prayers that the Catholics of Germany send al sky since its altars."

Hitler' s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell



The Investiture of the Bishop of the Church of the Reich



Women in traditional dresses you united the Nazis in the investiture of Ludwig Muller as the Bishop of the Church of the Reich. Muller praised the concept of "a powerful Christian Church that to join with all the German town."

(of Museum of Tolerance)





Love and Endless Loyalty al Führer

Http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/images/swastika.jpgEl November 15, 1933 but of thousand Deaconesses and Lutheran Nuns gather under the svástica. The Bishop of Berlin in their speech said: “permit me to compare our sisters with the LTD!” (the Nazi paramilitary group) (Perhaps be coincidence, but to the form of the meeting has a resemblance to a svástica gigantic. The adoption of the svástica as Nazi emblem perhaps has its origin in

the suásticas that adorned the entries of the monastery of Lambach, where Hitler had been member of the chorus like the boy).

It photographs contemporanea, 20th century [KS]

...la LTD of Jesus and the SS of the Church

Http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/images/nazimeet.jpgEn September of 1933 the Protestant German Deacons they gather in Hamburg to celeabrate the centennial of their association. A Protestant Shepherd is directed his comrades in a titled speech Diaconismo as attack:

"All this is diaconismo protestant: service and fight. We welcome to all you as the LTD of Jesus and the SS of the Church, you brave.. [fighters] of the need, misery, desperation and negligence." [KS57]

After the war the svástica was removed from the majority of the photographs of the meetings. Some few they survived without altering, such is the case of this. But on these brave deacons and nuns.

Contemporary photography, 20th century [KS]



A Heroe Christian

Hitler signs an autograph for a Christian admirer

Source: Hitler in Seinen Bergen, Heinrich Hoffmann, Berlin, they give 24.9.35



Examples of Christian Faith



The two images subsequently show the Christendom of the Nazis. Originally they were published during the government of Hitler:

A multitude of German soldiers before a Christian cross and the Brown Army of Hitler attending a religious service

The first photo stems from: Die Jugend Give Fuhrers Adolf Hitler: Bildbuch uber die grossdeutsche Jugend, 1942 (The youth of

the Fuhrer Adolfo Hilter: Book of photos of the German youth)

The second image stems from: you Give Braune Heer: mit einem geleitwort von Adolf Hitler (The I Exercise

Brown: with a prologue by Adolfo Hitler)

The Führer in Franken



Adolfo Hitler (central) front al war memorial in the war in the small town of Franken. According to Ray Cowdery, Hitler rarely lost the opportunity to visit war memorials, still when there they were not present photographers.



Source: Hitler: The Hoffmann Photographs, Vol. 1, Ray Cowdery, Ed., 1990





A Fantastic Letter

http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/images/letter.jpgUna very interesting letter dated December 2 of 1933: (translation)

The President of Districto of Segeberg County Bad Segeberg, Building of Government, Hamburger Straße 30

Date Received

For the Asociacion National for interior Missions (=Deaconos) Departmento of fields of concentracion field

Kuhlen in K or h l and n Neumünster Districto.

(Reference nr.) (file number)

Ref. 7,2 - 12/2/1933 -

Re:,

Their letter from the 28 of the I finalize month al greater as head of the department of policia local of Bad Segeberg, in reference al payment by the quantity invoiced by the prisoners in custody protectiva (this I finish generally was used for the prisoners of fields of concentracion) by the months of September and October by a total of 145.80 RM, they have been sent to my. Aqui I report that the invoice of 71.55 RM by the month of September has not been ordered to pay. This refers the prisoners (erased) and (erased) of Bad Segeberg. The quantity has been invoiced with a letter al President of the Districto. In this case the quantity has been invoiced two times. From aqui do not I be able decifrar if the quantity of 74.25 RM of October has been full, because all the registrations are in Schleswig. To investigate this case the name of the prisoners to be necessary, like asi tambien the total of the invoice for the month of October.

by being able signs Jensen

This letter refers to a field of concentration that was handled by Lutheran deacons in Bad Segeberg, near Hamburg. The deacons charged him al president of the districto by their expenses. File [KS]

God Goes with the Nazis





A Cardinal march with the Nazis

The Cardinal one Michael Faulhaber goes among the rows of the men of the LTD in a Nazi concentration in Munich.

Source: TO Moral Reckoning: The Mention of the Catholic Church in the Holocaust and Its Unfulfilled Duty of Repair by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen



The Youth Catolica





Heil Hitler

Priests doing the Nazi greeting in an encounter of the Catholic Youth in the stadium of Berlin-Neukolln in August of 1933.

Source: TO Moral Reckoning: The Mention of the Catholic Church in the Holocaust and Its Unfulfilled Duty of Repair by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen





Building a New Christian Order

Little Dollfuss, dictator of Austria with the Cardinal Innitzer to the right, during the proclamation of the new Clergy-Fascist Constitution of the year 1934.

Contemporary photography, 20th century [AA]



The Dr. Schuschnigg, Price Staremberg and the Cardinal Innitzer with Dollfuss

Contemporary photography, 20th century [AA]



Narrow Relations



Hitler greets to Muller the "Bishop of the Reich" and Abbot Schachleitner

Hitler Greets Cardinal Catholic



Bishops Catolicos doing the Nazi greeting in honor of Hitler



Hitler greets Monseigneur J. Tiso, Official of State Eslovaco, Papal Chamberlain and Catholic Priest, in the middle of the battle of the Oriental Front in October of 1941.

Contemporary photography, 20th century [AA]



Franco Dicatador by Work of God

The High Catholic Hierarchy Roman of Spain giving the fascist greeting in Santiago of Compostela in the year 1937.

Contemporary photography, 20th century [AA]



“Evangelización” Catholic during the Spanish civil War.

Contemporary photography, 20th century [AA]

Christian German movement



Reunion of the Christian German Movement 13 of November de1933

A branch of the German Lutheranism, the most important protestant group than supported the ideologia Nazi. The Christian German Movement continued the Christian doctrine with the German nationalism and the anti-semitism.

(of the Museum of Tolerance)





One is your Mister, your Führer

http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/images/adolf1.jpg Covers of German Christian magazine, April

1939

Note that already for the epoch in which this magazine was printed, the majority of the Nazi crimes already had been assignments. Communist, democratic, homosexual, and other already they had been carried to the fields of concentration and the shameful anti-Jewish laws of Nuremberg already had been introduced in 1935. To those who for a long time they had closed their eyes to the perversidad Nazi no longer they could be deceived after the "Kristallnacht" of November of 1938, an attack against the Jews incited by the same government where thousands of Jews died in the streets. The I Exercise German there was "peacefully" (and for the relief of the majority give it population) enclosed to Austria at the beginning of 1938, and later – less peacefully – to invade Czechoslovakia in March of 1939.

Translation:

Press of Diaconos German

MAGAZINE OF DIACONOS MALE Organo Official of the Diaconos German

One is your Senor, Christ, but you are all brothers Anus 25- - April 1939 - - Nr 4

(Drawing)

Heil al Führer of all the Germans

Covers of Magazine in [KS]



Neither the Death Separate them





Eva Braun, woman and wife of Hitler was the product of its education in the convent of Simbach. In many of its letters shows its deep Christian faith asking to God and praying for Hitler. To the right we can see Eva as a youth in the school convent

Contemporary photography, 20th century [AA]



The Pious Mother of Hitler

The Tomb of the mother of Hitler

Klara Hitler was a pious mother catolica who I raise her son according to her beliefs.

The emotional blow that recibio Hitler due to the death of its mother was very hard. She was buried next to her husband in Linz, Austria. In this photo the German soldiers greet their tomb in 1938.

Note the Christian cross in the monument.

Source: The Importance of Adolf Hitler, by Eleanor H. Yesterday, Lucent Books, 1996 (p. 25)

A Holy Mass

Http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/images/nspriest.jpg after the German troops occupied part of the territory from Yugoslavia to the half of World War Two, a soldadesca fanatic catholic under the leadership of Before Paveliç they took the neighboring one Croatia. These Christian rebels were called Ustashi. In some few weeks formed a state of comparable terror to the version Germany Nazi. All the religions except the Roman Catholicism were pursued, the majority of their followers they were carried to fields of concentration. In this photo a Catholic Priest celebrates the Holy Mass for the troops Ustashi. The official one Ustashi does not leave doubts on who the Ustashis see as model. Photography in: [DJ]

Arbeit macht frei

Http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/images/ustasha.jpgEsta is the entrance of some of the fields of concentration that the Ustashi built for all its country. In Jasenovac, the most notorious one, under the command of a Friar Franciscan call Filipovic, call friendly "Brother Death," only comparable atrocities with Auschwitz took place. As the Nazis the Ustashi burned to its you kill, using a former factory of bricks transformed into field of concentration in Jasenovac. In difference to the Nazis who killed its you kill first, the Ustashis pushed to its kill alive inside the oven.

Photography in [DJ]

One of Thousands



Http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/images/orthodox.jpgEntre you kill them of the Christians fanatic Ustashi there were Jews and Moslem, but the majority of them kill, reckoned between 300.000 and 600.000, were orthodox Christians Servios. The majority of them you kill they were stabbed or bombarded. This Servio orthodox was stung with an axe. Other were dead persons with special knives. A Franciscan friar – who carried machine gun in that epoch- once short in pieces to but of thousand people in a single night. For but information al end of this pagina.

Photography taken by proud murderers Ustashi [DJ]

Cleaning



Http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/images/bonemill.jpgCuando already was evident that Germany and its Allies would lose World War Two, desperate efforts were facts to cover all the trails of the despicable acts. The common graves that contained the bodies of the civilians executed in maza were disinterred, and the prisoners of the fields of concentration as these three Jewish men were forced to carry the corpses toward this molienda of bones to do dust the bones of them you kill that later they were rejected in the laughed. One of the men in this photo had been forced to bury the bodies of them you kill some anuses before and had recognized its wife among the corpses.



edit: i'll just use freetranslation to translate instead of doing it myself. the translation isn't that great in some parts, and you need to look at the photos to get the full effect, but it's fairly interesting.

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Rust
2004-10-29, 21:16
This is a translation of some the paragraphs. The number is the number of the paragraph so you know which one. If you want me to translate a specific one, tell me, Spanish is my native language. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)



1. Many deny it, and others have apologized for it, but the complete truth is not known by the majority of people. The fascist regimes in Europe from the 20's to the 40's were greatly supported by the Christian majority. The Nazi regime in Germany under Hitler, Italian fascism under Mussolini, Spanish fascism under France, as well as the Portuguese dictatorships of that era, the clerical-fascist (sp?) regime of Tiso in Slovakia and the "Ustashas" of Croatia, are some historical proof of the regimes supported by Christianity during the century.



2.

http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/images/concord.jpg



The signing of the Accord by Cardinal Pacelli (later known as Pope Pio XII). In the year 1933, he was the Secretary of the Vatican State. Seated two spots to the left, is Franz von Papen, who was the Nuncio [Papal Ambassador] of Germany. Standing at the far right, you can see the relatively unknown prelate of the Vatican, Montini, who later will become known as Pope Paul VI.

6.

http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/images/hitlerbishop.gif

April 20th of 1939, the ArchBishop Cesare Orsenigo, Nuncio in Berlin, celebrates Hitler's Birthday. The celebrations, originated by Pacelli (Pope Pio XII) would become a tradition. Every 20th of April, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin would send his "most warm felicitations to the Fuhrer in the name of all the Bishops and the diesis in Germany with the fervent prayer that the Catholics of Germany send to the heavens from their altars".

8.

http://www.herenciacristiana.com/christianhorror/images/swastika.jpg

On 15th of November, 1933, more than a thousand Lutheran Nuns would reunite under the Swastika. The Bishop of Berlin said in his discourse:

"let me compare our sisters with the SS!"

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