Christianity is in a lot of ways like fascism. Your average Fascist will disregard any scientific argument unless the conclusion supports his existing belief. The ideology comes first and the Fascist looks for anything to back it up, no matter how trivial, unreliable or discredited. Much like today's christians and their ideology. Fascists attempt to rationalize their beliefs and portray them as truth by twisting the facts.

Please, no more topics debating the stupidness of christianity, its stupid.



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The bible actually does have alot of scientific fact behind it. Not only do you have all the carbon dating, but if you know anything about history you should know the bible goes pretty much unchanged. There is a god.

Good job numb nuts, you've rebuked nothing. Take some time while your five good neurons crank out the next malformed sentence from your cretaceous skull.

quote:Originally posted by hand_made_attrocity:

Christianity is in a lot of ways like fascism. Your average Fascist will disregard any scientific argument unless the conclusion supports his existing belief. The ideology comes first and the Fascist looks for anything to back it up, no matter how trivial, unreliable or discredited. Much like today's christians and their ideology. Fascists attempt to rationalize their beliefs and portray them as truth by twisting the facts.

Please, no more topics debating the stupidness of christianity, its stupid.

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You're an idiot. Stop using the word Christianity when you should be using the words Americanized-Christianity.

True Christianity in itself is beautiful, its about complete selflessness and compassion, and just because a bunch of fundementally weak cunts try to cling desperately on to beliefs they do not understand doesnt mean every Christian is the same.

Most people don't know shit about there own religion, big fucking deal. Their loss, get over it.

handmade, you dumb fuck, what does any of this imbecilic shit have to do with the topic as you listed it?

Every once in a while somone says something so stupid that it makes you say "damb, what a stupid bitch, I would love nothing more than to bludgeon his head against a wall". Suicide isn't so bad eil, give it a chance.

you're very arrogant for a retard.

do you even understand the meaning of 'inherently'?

Oh, for God's sake, when are people going to learn?

Has anyone hear actually studied the history of religion? Religion was never about logic or facts; it was about what worked for the people developing the religion. Many of the main ideas of religion are completely illogical and have no basis in reality. This is because it's religion! Religion's aim is to communicate the ineffable, it's entirely pragmatic (what is most effective). In fact, the monotheistic faiths concluded that it is impossible to know God directly; you can only get a glimpse of him by studying his actions in the world.

So attacking another religion using the argument "it doesn't hold up to logic or common sense" is useless.

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I searched high and low for the true Christians.

I looked in the Churches, and saw lip service, hate, and intollerance.

I looked into the prayer meetings, and saw people praying for an election.

I looked at the preachers, and saw arrogance, bigotry, and hatred.

Disconcerted, I walked away, through the streets littered with filth, and came upon a shelter for the homeless, addicted, and hopeless. It was then that I found the true Christians.

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The bible actually does have alot of scientific fact behind it. Not only do you have all the carbon dating, but if you know anything about history you should know the bible goes pretty much unchanged. There is a god.

Science did not exist when the bible was written and too bad the rest of science disagrees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe).

And if I was to say who wrote it my bet would be on an old tripped out goat herder in the desert who just ate a bit too many mushrooms.

I saw God on mushrooms.

Handmade, you want to tell me what your problem is with Fascism?

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I saw God on mushrooms.

Handmade, you want to tell me what your problem is with Fascism?

So have I and on various other occasions, that was my point.

Christianity is a religion with a dubious history, yet many of the doctrines and stories are worth study. It is a religion which was created for political reasons. Constantine, The Emperor of Rome, knew one of the most basic tenets of government was the control of its people. The governmental control of people becomes much easier and effective when that government is able to also assume a "divine" authority. Although Rome holds no exclusive right to this idea, they certainly have etched their mark on history, enforcing their particular political machine. Christianity is the product of a governmental council acquiring and examining as many of the world's religious doctrines they could find; in order to create a "One World Religion". They took ideas and doctrine from Egyptology, Mithraism, Hinduism, Buddhism, the Torah of the Jews, and many others, picking the parts they wanted to include, altering them as they wished, discarding the parts they did not want included, and finally compiling their own plagiarized (and altered) writings to create the new Catholic (one from all) Bible. Since this was a plagiarized and altered conglomeration of many older works, many symbolic tenets have managed to retain their original meanings.



The Bible, as we have it today, should not be regarded as a historical document. This is not to say that it is not very interesting, but it must be read keeping in mind that it is a re-translation, of a re-translation, of a re-translation, of an initially altered plagiarism. The book itself (viewed in light of the possibility of what could have been) is a complex document that must have required some pretty intelligent minds to conceive. It is this complexity that so overwhelms those of limited intellect that it convinces many that it could only have been written by the hand (or direct inspiration) of God. Yet the Bible pales drastically in comparison to the thousands of Hindu or Buddhist writings in complexity and substance. Most who read it never know this because they are instructed to steer clear of any other religious writings, lest they become deceived. Those who become "completely blown away" by the conceptualization of what it must have taken to write such a document have never seen or attempted to really look at anything else similarly complex. Therefore, they have no point of reference, other than their own intellect, and the one book they believe to be the only true word of God.

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I gotta get more fiber in my diet. Seriously, it seems like every time i go to the bath room, it's diahrea. I haven't had a good solid, satisfying shit in like 2 weeks.

I get diarrhea after I see Michael Moore.

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I get diarrhea after I see Michael Moore.

Me too, and I'm a liberal. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

Read Karen Armstrong's [i] A History of God: The 4000 year old quest of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam [i/]. It presents the foundations of these religions very well.

Of course religions change from their instigation. Jesus never meant to form a religion, he was a Jew his whole life, birth to death. 40 years after he died some things were written down in the Gospel of Mark. If you have a bible with red lettering where Jesus speaks, this gospel has very few places. Then in Matthew's Gospel Jesus speaks a LOT. This discrepancy alone is enough to make one wonder about its veracity.

People need to understand that the arrogant, small-minded deity portrayed in the bible is nothing like the god I know.

People need to know the difference between religion and spirituality--religion divides, spirituality unites.

People need to know that Christianity is a religion of fear and denial, a sad product of the Piscean Age, which is passing even now.