It has been written that all things are possible through God, and that through Him you shall get your heart's desires. Well, my heart's desire is to have a meaningful relationship (love, if you wish) with this girl, but yet she seems to only want a friendship from me. When the topic comes up, she says she sees me as a brother, and would never go out with me. Is God just waiting for a good time to give me this girl, or is it that it will never happen?

Someones done a con- job on you through a technique well used in christendom known as "proof-texting".

My "hearts desire" is stay in the army... however I really struggle to see how that can be justified in light of my faith. Your infatuation with this girl doesn't confer a requirement on God to shift heaven and earth to ensure that your every whim is satisfied.

God is not a magical genie.

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I don't know your situation but it's could be to do with faith.

If you don't believe it is possible for her to like you in this way, you will act as a person who isn't liked in this way by her. She'll pick up off those vibes.

Do you flirt with her?

In holy scriptures you might find it's said that you can have your hearts desires providing you have undoubted faith that it will happen.

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Yes I flirt with her, and I do believe that it's possible for her to like me in this way, but I guess what I believe right now is that there's only a possiblity that it will happen, not that it WILL happen. Now, be it hope or be it gut instinct, I've always gotten the feeling that her and I will eventually go out.

quote:Originally posted by Discipulus:

It has been written that all things are possible through God, and that through Him you shall get your heart's desires. Well, my heart's desire is to have a meaningful relationship (love, if you wish) with this girl, but yet she seems to only want a friendship from me. When the topic comes up, she says she sees me as a brother, and would never go out with me. Is God just waiting for a good time to give me this girl, or is it that it will never happen?



Seirosuly dude, that sucks i was in the same place, it dident work out for me, but i wish all the best for for you.

quote: Is God just waiting for a good time to give me this girl, or is it that it will never happen?

since when does god give people other people. you have a strange view of god and religion. i suggest you read some books on philosophy, maybe nietzche.

no, "god" is not gonna make a girl like you, no matter how hard you pray.

you know who said all things are possible through god? it was probably some crazy guy who suffered from paranoid schizophrenia.

you never know. Don't rain on my parade. I'm depressed enough as it is.

The best solution I can think of off hand is to rape her. If she is trying to beat around the bush, "why cant we just be friends, I think of you like a brother," and all, you have to ask yourself, "Does she really like me or is she just toying with my emotions?" Dont let the chick get the upper hand dude.

Anyway there are more subtle ways you can let her know your insterested, the next time she brings up the whole brother analogy make a joke about it. toy around with the idea of sex, allude to British royality or The bloodline of Spain, possibly even the blue lagoon.

If all else fails and she truely is determained not to fuck you, try to get in with her friends, go shopping togahter, have her introduce you to her girlfriends. You might be able to reel one of them in by appearing to be a sensitive man. Once you start dating someone else no matter how she feels about you, if your that close of friends she'll get jealous.

simple answer, there is no god.

You can't be so specific with the man. You can wish for love. But, not with someone in particular. That's why God works in mysterious ways. Also, I'm sure you have a lot of dues to pay before you get there. Most of us do. Just relax. Try to convince yourself you aren't getting it. You won't beleive it, but you'll find a happy medium. I guarentee it. I've been in your situation.

If you're depressed, why blame it on God? What a cop out. God's supposed to give you you're heart's desire. You don't know your heart's desire, you are a fool. Don't feel bad, nobody know's their heart's desire, and we're all fools. Take responsability for your own life. If you want to believe in God and this heart's desire bullshit, maybe God knows better and sees that it is not best for you, the girl, or God. God has a plan line.

Or maybe just accept that the personal God that gives you shit doesn't exist, or if he does isn't your bitch to be giving you everything you want.

God wants you to sell your soul to the devil.

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

Or maybe just accept that the personal God that gives you shit doesn't exist, or if he does isn't your bitch to be giving you everything you want.

Or maybe 'he' doesn't impose one person's wants upon another? Maybe there has to exist a unity of 'wants'.

My apologies if my views appeared to be myopic as I wasn't in the best of moods while writing this. Or the most coherent plane of consciousness. My intentions were to be a sort of smack on the back of the head saying "if you don't take control of your life, no one will", but it probably didn't come across as this.

I actually don't believe in God, at least not in the conventional traditional bearded white guy with a cane deal. My "understanding" is very symbolic, laced furiously with metaphors. An explanation of this would take forever, and since this guy appears to think divine intervention necsesary for his "heart's desire" (being what would appear to be a teenage relationship) then chances are high that he would misunderstand me. Not to be arrogant and pedantic, but with the interpretation of through God he should get his heart's desire of some whiney moody teen and since he's not he precieves a great injustice well.....Going on about jung's overall consciousness, sartre's being and nothingness, and lacing the myths and metaphors of various stories and legends creating a theory on overall existence in connection with "God" just might not do him anything besides give him a blank stare.

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

Going on about jung's overall consciousness, sartre's being and nothingness, and lacing the myths and metaphors of various stories and legends creating a theory on overall existence in connection with "God" just might not do him anything besides give him a blank stare.

I've never read jung, sartre...although I am familiar with the names. Maybe you could start some threads here, I'd like to see what you have to say.

I just pick up things on the fly...and weave them into my tapestry. I am not very well-read.

Btw, I'm still looking for poetry from you...

quote:Originally posted by outcast:

I've never read jung, sartre...although I am familiar with the names. Maybe you could start some threads here, I'd like to see what you have to say.

I just pick up things on the fly...and weave them into my tapestry. I am not very well-read.

Btw, I'm still looking for poetry from you...

I actually have a naive understanding of Sartre, but in discussions with my friend I'll be talking about something I'm thinking and he'll say something to the affect of you "oh, you mean like Sartre's 'bad faith'." or "as Sartre said, you observe something like this and it's very existence almost mocks you in opposition of your existence. The only natural reaction to this being extreme and udder nausea." Although since hearing things like this I have looked into Sartre, I still have yet to read all of Being and Nothingness.

I find the more I do read, however, the more I'm just finding names to put to thoughts and theories I've already had.

This forum used to be the only one I posted in, but after a while saw the same posts occuring again and again, merely under different names. I'm noticing that this occurs every where else now. This just further perpetuates my thinking of reality in a cyclic nature, concsciousness itself traveling in patterns out like some song of eternity.

As for the poetry, doesn't anything I post become property of totse?

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

As for the poetry, doesn't anything I post become property of totse?

Maybe so...assuming they archive it???? I see your point though. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

I find the more I do read, however, the more I'm just finding names to put to thoughts and theories I've already had.

I find that to be true as well [although, I'm very bad with names and forget them easily]. It's funny how thoughts I thought were original turn out not to be. That definitely supports the saying that there is nothing new under the sun. Not even a thought that has not been thought before (?). We might just alter one or two little things, but everything basically consists of the same makeup, or so it seems to me.

Are our minds evolving and expanding...or are we simply going round in circles?

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

My apologies if my views appeared to be myopic as I wasn't in the best of moods while writing this. Or the most coherent plane of consciousness. My intentions were to be a sort of smack on the back of the head saying "if you don't take control of your life, no one will", but it probably didn't come across as this.

I was thinking about this when I crawled back into bed this morning. It did come across that way. I'm just one of those people who really wants to know what's going on inside your head. Maybe you can overlook that in me, because I don't mean to come across as being critical in any way.

quote:Originally posted by outcast:

Are our minds evolving and expanding...or are we simply going round in circles?

I think a bit of both actually. In that, I've noticed as we go through life we kind of take a little bit from every person we interact with as they simultaneously take a little bit from us as we are both in the same surrounding environment. Must of us are completely unaware of the influences even the most seemingly insignificant thing can have, but we are a part of the constant fluctuations of it in a giving and receiving sense. In addition, in both being of the same stream of consciousness (human life) we have the same capacity to have the same thoughts. Various stimuli will yield various results, but the capacity for simular human thought as a result of being alive is relative to you, me, sartre, whoever. It's a matter of finding the words, then other conscious beings can go "that's it! that's my story."

Over time, an incredible amount of time, I've noticed that the story changes slightly. The entire branch of philosophy almost seems to be the conversation of history, starting back pre-plato and every major accomplishment is merely adding on to this train of thought. While everybody else goes about their day-to-day lives very much business as usual, the truly evolved individuals makes that grab for something more. Which in turn just creates a slightly newer model of the running around in circles until much later another truly evolved individuals takes that something more and makes a grab for something more.

Nice Traffic...for a moment while I was reading that I thought I could hear your voice.

Ah...the human mind and what it can do.



Thus the use of the image of a spiral (?)... because although it is circular it moves upward (?).



[I have a really bad cold, btw, and it's making it hard to focus my thoughts right now. I think I need a nap.]

Hmm, well, time to make another post in the religion section. This has got something to do with that girl, and also something to do with getting her. I don't feel the same towards her. If anything, part of me wants to run away from her. You see, she's going back out with her ex-boyfriend of 6 times, and a man that I truly hate. My question is why would God cause me such grief? What have I done to deserve this?