I just thought of this. If you go to heaven (assuming religion exists) what would there be to do? Or would it be just a bunch of colors and drugedness? Or would everyone just sit up in the clouds and play harps all day long? its just wierd

Heaven as I beloieve is more a state of consciousness rather than a place.

All the positive effects of every drug mixed together is a small taste of what heaven is like. Apparently.

Drugs inspire many people to take a spiritual journey. A friend of mine became convinced in gods existance after a peyotee trip. I became completely hooked on learning more about spiritual life after a few sessions with weed.



[This message has been edited by ---Beany--- (edited 11-17-2004).]

Heaven/hell as described in the bible are just myths the priesthood concocted to help keep the faithful in line. God is not Santa Claus, he does not reward and punish, nor does he keep a list of who's naughty and nice.

We create our own heavens and hells. For me at least, drugs were mostly hell, which is why I don't do dope any more.

My experiences with salvia divinorum and mushrooms were the most spiritual experiences I've had except for meditation or mirror gazing. Weed too but to a lesser extent.

Especially shrooms though. Salvia is like ego death, Shrooms... well let's just say I didn't feel "alone" anymore when I was on them. There was a point where I was in such a blissful state of mind that I had absolutely no desire to even move or go anywhere, felt like I was finally home. What was there to do? The whole universe was right in front of me. And the eyesight was amazing, it lasted all day the last time I tripped. If I meditated on anything for a moment slowly I would just see these half visible patterns connecting everything together, everywhere. I couldn't stop smiling and laughing... I hope I can feel like that again one day, without shrooms, dead or alive... I'm sure it was just a glimpse of what's to come one day.

well that's enough from this druggie :-P

But yeah I agree heaven and hell I believe to be states of mind instead of a places.

[This message has been edited by Fuck (edited 11-17-2004).]

My last shroom trip (Saturday) was cool for about 5 hours. But about the last 2 or so hours of the trip my mind was racing, It wasn't a "bad trip" at that point, just overwhelming. My body high was barely noticeable, but my head was fucking with me.

Anyway, I love mushrooms, I have had numerous deep and lifechanging experiances with them. But this isn't BLTC.

My head fucks with me enough even though i've never taken shrooms. btw the body makes a chemical simular to speed, it just happens when you are in a short-term relashonship. i gess thats why theres so many sluts. Heaven isa drug but the church is aginst drug use....intresting.

Its something naive people belive in but even they know, in the very back of their minds, that there no such place exists, in this world or otherwise.

I ain't christian. Woo-hoo!!!!!

Raven~`

heaven is a scam..

I dunno if its a state of mind rather than another plane of existance. Because if ghosts/pltergeists/and other paranorms are real then that means they supposed to be in another plane of existance but are either stuck back in this one or can somehow return at will. But yea i know that heaven and hell arent real PLACES as we describe them on Earth.

quote:Originally posted by Fuck:

Especially shrooms though. Salvia is like ego death, Shrooms... well let's just say I didn't feel "alone" anymore when I was on them. There was a point where I was in such a blissful state of mind that I had absolutely no desire to even move or go anywhere, felt like I was finally home. What was there to do? The whole universe was right in front of me. And the eyesight was amazing, it lasted all day the last time I tripped. If I meditated on anything for a moment slowly I would just see these half visible patterns connecting everything together, everywhere. I couldn't stop smiling and laughing...



i had an experience like that when i wasn't on drugs.......it was absolutely incredible. i'm right-brained, and maybe that has something to do with it, but it was amazing. i experienced the visual clarity, happiness, "oneness," i was smiling and laughing and looking at people thinking i could see everything about them just written on them.

i should try to do it again.

hell could be where all the ghosts are. wasnt the only reason people think there was a firey hell was beacuse of dantes inferno. its possable hell is just staying on earth cept in another plain?

Especially shrooms though. Salvia is like ego death, Shrooms... well let's just say I didn't feel "alone" anymore when I was on them. There was a point where I was in such a blissful state of mind that I had absolutely no desire to even move or go anywhere, felt like I was finally home. What was there to do? The whole universe was right in front of me. And the eyesight was amazing, it lasted all day the last time I tripped. If I meditated on anything for a moment slowly I would just see these half visible patterns connecting everything together, everywhere. I couldn't stop smiling and laughing... I hope I can feel like that again one day, without shrooms, dead or alive... I'm sure it was just a glimpse of what's to come one day.

I've only done shrooms once in my entire life, and while I'm certainly not advocating frequent drug use, I wholeheartedly recommend trying it once.

When I did them, I was by the wetlands close to my house. There's a long expanse of open land, with close to two acres worth of long grass, going along a long and wide road. There's also a dike that separates two areas of the wetlands that was worth walking on, covered in lush green grass and a two and a half foot wide gravel road to walk on top of it.

The way that the colors stood out reminded me of commercials and advertisements for the movie What Dreams May Come. The colors were brighter, the sun felt warmer - the wind felt better. My awareness of my body did not end with the physical limitations of my skin, but extended to the ground beneath me, the wind beside me, and the sun above me. Everything about the world was in me, and everything about me was in the world.

All my spiritual perceptions that, while only based on glimpses of supernatural experience and superhuman consciousness, were made undoubtedly verified in the continued experience under this influence. All of the minute details that require meticulous attention to notice, and all the solutions that require furious concentration to realize, and all the changes in consciousness that require deep meditation to know, became obvious facts and continued experiences, like anyone who thought that there was no God and that we were alone in the world was obviously ignorant of the air he breathed and the ground upon which he walked. I looked at children and smiled; I looked at the cars passing by and laughed; I looked at the river and beamed. The sunset - for the first time in a long time, after being almost drowned in a world of emptiness and insignificance - made me feel good about myself. The last line of every poem, the last bite of every great meal, every moment you spend playing with a laughing child, the meaning of every painting, the punchline to every joke, the culmination of every surprise, and the glory of every victory, all tried to say exactly what I felt that day. For the first time since I was about four, I felt like I was really, truly, and genuinely home.

Several months afterwards (actually, at this point, a few days ago), I returned to that area while sober, and the memories of the total euphoria swelled up in me again. I began smiling at the wind and the sun again, as though we were old friends, and that there was nothing I couldn't communicate to them, nothing that I could ask of them that would keep them confused.

There is a heaven. It's right here. We just need to look harder without squinting our eyes or straining to reach for it.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Heaven as I believe is more a state of consciousness rather than a place.



quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

We create our own heavens and hells.



quote:Originally posted by Fuck:

But yeah I agree heaven and hell I believe to be states of mind instead of a places.



quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

[b]There is a heaven. It's right here. We just need to look harder without squinting our eyes or straining to reach for it.



What a great set of responses. More people think in line with me than I thought. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) (somewhat)

Heaven like Hell is sorta like half of a drug.

Heaven has all the good effects, while hell has all the bad ones.