She's still got three more years until she's ordained but yeah...she's a minister.

i'm sure you love her and she's a great person, kiddo but she's an abomination before the Lord.

sorry http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

i'm sure you love her and she's a great person, kiddo but she's an abomination before the Lord.

sorry kiddo http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)



Fixt.

Anyway what religion is she? A former friend of mine's mother is gay (openly so) and an Episcopalian minister.

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quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

i'm sure you love her and she's a great person, kiddo but she's an abomination before the Lord.

sorry http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)





I would have to (almost) agree with you.

I know what God's Word says about it, but how do we know that she wasnt called by God? Didnt God use a few women? (two come to mind but cant recall the names... Moses' sister, and one of the Judges)

My second point is probably just a "loop-hole" (and if it is a "loop-hole", then it probably is wrong)... she would answer to men...not sure how to put this thought, but the men "in charge" of that religion... i think in this case it would not be an abomination. (for you women out there, this was not meant as a chauvinistic remark--just trying to use the Word in application).

Still, God would have the final say in the matter.

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

Fixt.

Anyway what religion is she? A former friend of mine's mother is gay (openly so) and an Episcopalian minister.

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United Methodist

I'm taking steps in that direction.

Once I'm "done" with my studies (meaning I've gotten to the point where I only study it for pleasure and not because I don't already know) I plan on trying to open my own non-denominational church.

Many have called me crazy.

But...

*shrug*

Cheers,

Lost

quote:I would have to (almost) agree with you.

I know what God's Word says about it, but how do we know that she wasnt called by God?

mebbe cos its written very clearly that 'if anyone wants to argue on this matter, the churches of god know no other practice.' (My italics.)

ergo -any church not having a purely male clergy...



OooPs silly me...those verses have been translated wrongly ...by christian women- haters...and they aren't valid anymore anyway

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Perhaps Paul is talking about it a little differently (the full quote often helps).... as it was certainly not his practice-

"It is generally assumed that Paul is the author of a Christianity of female subordination. But more recent studies have shown that the historical Paul in fact continued most of the assumptions and practices of early charismatic, inclusive Christianity. Indeed, most of the New Testament evidence that women functioned as local leaders, as well as traveling evangelists, is to be found in the Pauline letters. Paul addresses almost an equal number of women along with men (sixteen women and eighteen men) in his greetings to Church leaders in Romans 16. He mentions two women, Euodia and Syntche, as having preached the gospel "with Barnabas and me" in Philippians 4:2-3. He addresses a woman name Junia by the title of "apostle," and constantly refers to the husband and wife team, Priscilla and Aquila, as "Church leaders," usually naming Priscilla first. He also speaks of the prominent woman Phoebe by the title of both "deacon" and "prostasis" or leader, of her community.

Paul received from the early Church both a practice of thus including women in the ministries of catechesis, prophecy, local Church leadership, and traveling evangelism (the role Paul calls that of "apostle"), and also a baptismal theology of male-female equivalence in Christ as reflected in the Galatians 3:28 reference. This formula was not original with Paul; he cites it from early Christian tradition. The Galatians baptismal text expresses the early Christian vision of the new humanity in Christ. It was consciously moulded to contrast with the traditions of rabbinic piety, adapted from Hellenistic philosophy, in which the Jewish male thanks God for having been born male and not female, free and not slave, and Jew rather than Gentile. By declaring that in Christ these divisions had been overcome and all these groups made "one," the early Christian stated the essence of his or her new identity as one where the equivalence of all humans in the image of God had been restored."

From Arvind Sharma cited in http://www.christian-thinktank.com/wbadboy1.html

inquisitor-well to be honest i assumed that those reading would know what i was on about and so i figured i could spare both the literal translation as well as the full 9 yards.

my bad. obviously not the case.

and as to what you quoted. what the hell has that got to do with female clergy? nobody worth listening to has ever suggested paul had a problem with women (infact he hints at liking women too much http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) ).

that women were leaders in the early church is not a matter of debate. they were (from all the evidence i've seen anyway).

nevertheless paul gives us a clear injunction about women speaking infront of the congregation.

its easy to find excuses that let us disregard commandments of god ...as i said before.

*finally catches on*

ah...yes... thats right...

actually to be honest i thought that you were semi-serious i.e. saying that bible actually says (and means) "no place for women in the church"

quote:that women were leaders in the early church is not a matter of debate. they were (from all the evidence i've seen anyway).

nevertheless paul gives us a clear injunction about women speaking infront of the congregation.

its easy to find excuses that let us disregard commandments of god ...as i said before.



That helps my confusion as much as a punch in the face helps a hangover...

quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

as much as a punch in the face helps a hangover...

i cant say that i have ever tried that remedy.. does it work lol