I just thought of an argument for God that I've never heard before. Alright, we all know how there are four kinds of forces. There's the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, and electromagnetism. Then there's gravity. The first three and the last one aren't compatible, right? But the only time this really becomes a problem is when dealing with something very small but with a lot of mass. We don't deal with these things often, so it's pretty much just black holes and the origin of the universe that we care about. Well, why should there be four forces that work all the time but can't be united to answer the real question? The big question. I figure the best argument for God is that this is just too odd a situation not to be divine. Have any of you ever heard this argument?

pointing out the lack of one theory is an awful argument in support of another.

however, i don't doubt that the only way a unified theory will come about is through divine inspiration.

No, I haven't heard it before, but its stupid anyway.

We didn't even know about all of those forces 150 years ago, give it some time, and stop trying to strangle our education system with religiobullshit, then we might even get it faster.

Not actually directed so much at you glitter, but just at any theist who might try to use it as a tool for preaching anything between calvinism to young earth creationism.

We don't know anything/our current theories aren't perfect -> GOD exists

Why?

I don't think that is proves god exists, but god would be an answer to these questions.

Didn't you post something about athiests being intellectually lazy.



Cough...irony

quote:Originally posted by great_sage=heaven:

Didn't you post something about athiests being intellectually lazy.



Cough...irony

No. I posted something asking where the article by that name is.

I am an atheist. I just think this is an interesint argument for God. To me it seems strange that the big thing that we can't explain and don't have an idea that we could explain in the future is the origin of the universe. You would think that with all the technology of today, we could answer that question. So it seems as if there is a greater force that unifies quantum mechanics with general relativity that we can't understand because there is something inherently lacking in our brains. Something beyond logic. Something like God

Ah, seems pretty clear I didn't read your post I guess. My bad.

Maybe you'd like to explain how electromagnetism and gravity are incompatible. At least in my physics class, magnetism and gravity share a lot of common forumlas most notably Gm1m2/r^2. Don't mean to be a dick, but i didn't feel you provided much in your presuppositions so your conclusion had very little impact.

Oh yeah, and the "we can't explain this so it must be God" argument is one a theist should best stay away from. It only bolsters the atheists when one day we can explain it.

quote:Originally posted by theBishop:

Maybe you'd like to explain how electromagnetism and gravity are incompatible.

I would like to explain that, but I can't. I don't know or understand quantum mechanics. But it is true that subatomic particles are governed by a different set of rules than larger objects. This isn't the point I need to prove because no one is arguing against it. You can look it up. Do a google search for "Unified theory" or "theory of everything." Einstein wasted the last years of his live trying to unify quantum mechanics and general relativity

So if some find a unified theroy does that mean there is no God?

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

So if some find a unified theroy does that mean there is no God?



It would mean that this is no longer a good argument for his existance

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

It would mean that this is no longer a good argument for his existance

Then people would turn to Argument by Design.

"Everything fits together perfectly, God must have done it."

Well, I think that the god of the gaps argument is weak at best. One could posit something else apart from a god to fill the gap and one would have an argument just as strong as the one positing a god to fill the gap, leaving both arguments with zero persuasiveness. Ignorance doesn't give one free reign to insert bullshit.

THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION!!!!!



Glitterpunk, have you ever given head while (or whil'st) having glittter sprakly things on your lip? tjis leaves me thinking of glitter sparkles on my penis.

quote:Originally posted by great_sage=heaven:

THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION!!!!!



Glitterpunk, have you ever given head while (or whil'st) having glittter sprakly things on your lip? tjis leaves me thinking of glitter sparkles on my penis.

I regret to inform you that I have only in my life given head once and I had nothing sparkley on my lips.

Nope, sorry, but we still don't know EVERYTHING.

More data is required.

You're talking about Quantum Theory, in case you don't know the name of it. Also you're not the first person to come up with that idea. It's a pretty common conundrum(sp?) amongst physicists and theorists.

The first theory linking Quantum Theory and god was String Theory, which has baffled scientist to this day, considering strings are so small that if a microscope was built powerful enough to see them, you'd only be able to see the microscope lens.

Anyways, nice post.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

You're talking about Quantum Theory, in case you don't know the name of it. Also you're not the first person to come up with that idea. It's a pretty common conundrum(sp?) amongst physicists and theorists.

The first theory linking Quantum Theory and god was String Theory, which has baffled scientist to this day, considering strings are so small that if a microscope was built powerful enough to see them, you'd only be able to see the microscope lens.

Anyways, nice post.

Cheers,

Lost

Heh, yes I know I'm not the first one to think of Quantum Theory. It was reading about String Theory that made me think of this as an argument for God. String theory sounds so completely out there and just wrong that I started thinking about a more elegant theory. God fits right in. It makes sense that he would design a universe where you can understand almost everything that can be seen with eyes or some kind of microscope, but where you can't understand the really big issues. Now obviously this hasn't made me believe in God, but I do wonder why I don't hear this argument more often

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

but I do wonder why I don't hear this argument more often

Same reason you don't hear about String Theory more often. It's a home with no front door. It's all there but there's no way to get in. There's no way to prove String Theory (so far) and this is a possible theory based off another theory that supposedly can't be proven.

People don't talk about it much because the only people to come up with it in depth are scientists who can't even prove the theory it's based off of. It's all just very frustrating. Especially to the athiest, which I imagine, most major scientific theorists are.

Cheers,

Lost