This is the first time I have ventured into this forum so I don't know if (but seriously think it might have) this has been posted here before. I want some more views on the whole Christian version of God.

Please state why you believe God exists. Don't give me bullshit like "how do you think you got here."

The Riddle of Epicurus explains why I don't believe in God. There are many who believe he does not exist and I know your reasons.

dude... shut up. what kind of stupid first question is that for a religious forum?

What the hell should my first question have been. "So what did you guys do in church today?" giggles.

If you don't have an answer don't post.

fine, here's my answer...

i believe that jesus was god because god is eternal, omniscient, and omnipotent. jesus personified all of these aspects when he was crucified.

he died and was resurrected to share his eternal life with us, which was called the moment of kastun in the pre-18th century catechism.

he proved his omniscience by knowing that his sacrifice was inevitable, but having faith that he would resurrect. this knowledge is known as the el'dnurg.

and he'll show us his almighty power by resisting satan when he strikes him into the abyss of fire with the sword of the father, known as the sullahp.

i believe this because the truth of this trifold aspect of god is available firsthand to anyone with the time, patience, and drive to seek heavenly ecstasy. you can experience it too, inside and out, forwards and backwards, with just a mustard seed of faith.

p.s. -- 'you remove the splinter in your neighbor's eye, but first you should remove my seed from yours.'

-the lost gospel of Peter, chapter 12: 23-25

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quote:Originally posted by redjoker:



The Riddle of Epicurus explains why I don't believe in God.

I suggest you read St. Augustine of Hippo's response to Epicurus' paradox.

quote:Originally posted by Eil:



In yo fizzace!

I'm a Self-Spiritualist/Agnostic person.

Basically, I don't believe in any God because there is no proof for or against God or any other super-spiritual-being, but I try some spells and shit like that from the Occult to see if it works.

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Read my post.... and why dont you tell us why it is you dont belive in God ...better tell us about the riddle.

quote:Originally posted by redjoker:

This is the first time I have ventured into this forum so I don't know if (but seriously think it might have) this has been posted here before. I want some more views on the whole Christian version of God.

If this is what you want, I think you should try and read one of the gospels. The one according to John is the most esoteric of them, I heard. Each one of the gospels is supposed to highlight another aspect of Christ and his mission and life on earth.

Or else you will have to search the writings of the Church Fathers for ideas about God (Saint Augustine i.e. I think).

The riddle pretty much asks why god, if he is so powerful, will not prove it. It aslo says that if he did exist but could not prove it, then why call him god. There is all this evil and suffering that could easily be avoided if he was indeed all powerful. Let's say that for a moment, an omnipotent being does really exists. He knows everything that will happen before it happens. He creates a person knowing they will do wrong. He sends them to hell to suffer for eternity for less than a hundred years of pain and pleasure. He would be a bastard.

Nietzsche said it a lot more succinctly:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

It's an ok logical progression, but the evil part is pretty subjective (something nietzsche loved).

You almost posted the riddle of epicurus to the letter.

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

Nietzsche said it a lot more succinctly:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

It's an ok logical progression, but the evil part is pretty subjective (something nietzsche loved).

I have read that quote attributed to another author, but I don't know which is correct. I think it was credited to Epictetus the Stoic.



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quote:Originally posted by redjoker:

There is all this evil and suffering that could easily be avoided if he was indeed all powerful.

Patience, grasshopper. He wont get rid of it until the time appointed by Himself. The evil and suffering is the curse for First Sin, that He imposed.

That bastard!

quote:Originally posted by Eil:

[B]heavenly ecstasy.

B]

is it the same price as regular ecstacy?