View Full Version : The Crusades: Religious or Social Phenomenon?
mixedbloods
2005-01-10, 00:04
Opinions?
napoleon_complex
2005-01-10, 00:09
Social, with religion as a front.
mixedbloods
2005-01-10, 00:14
fuck, i have this topic as a 1000-1500 word essay... please, more insight...
napoleon_complex
2005-01-10, 00:21
If you aren't capable of writing a thousand words on the fucking crusades, then I pity you.
There are centuries of history there. Just paraphrase a history book or paper if you are that desperate.
mixedbloods
2005-01-10, 00:27
No, its the fact that its due 2morrow thats troubling me.
AngrySquirrel
2005-01-10, 00:32
quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:
Social, with religion as a front.
LostCause
2005-01-10, 01:03
Neither. I don't think there was any kind of phenomenon about it. Those sorts of uprisings and blood bathes have happened constantly throughout history in all parts of the world.
Religion is an excellent front for fighting over land, money, resources. Because if god says it's okay to kill in his name and you can convince everyone that god really want them to kill these people, it makes the whole war thing a lot easier.
Cheers,
Lost
mixedbloods
2005-01-10, 04:54
"I don't think there was any kind of phenomenon about it."
define phenomenon as 'an observable fact or event' instead.
I know that the crusades were more than a religious cause, the constant famines, the advance of agriculture to the point where work was hard to find, and that it was well known how profitable eastern trade could be w/ the muslims, motivated the people to fight. I'm just looking for more points, well, mostly filler.
mksnowboarder
2005-01-15, 07:10
Lets see what I can remember about the crusades. I think that the religious part was a front, at least for the people organizing the crusades. Those that were sent to do the fighting however, often had religious motives. For example, they were promised guaranteed passage into heaven if they were killed fighting in god's name. They probably actually believed that God wanted them to slaughter innocent muslim men, women, and children.
However, there were more worldly motives for everyone involved. It goes without saying that the religious officials involved stood to gain a great deal of profit, but the actual soldiers were promised land and money as well. And, as many of them were lacking of both, risking their lives for such opportunities must have seemed like the logical thing to do.
So, I guess the answer is both. Things can rarely be seen in simply black or white.
-mike
jurainus
2005-01-15, 12:52
The two religions lived peacefully(ignoring each other) 'till some young fundamentalist Islamists started doing little pranks to pilgrimagers.
Vatican got angry but also thought of the ecomonic benefits and started the crusades. Europeans were professonals at war. They started slaughtering muslims in extremely cruel ways. This made local sultans very mad and they raised hell.
It's sad that this is most likely the first cause for the modern hatred between these two religions...
[This message has been edited by jurainus (edited 01-15-2005).]
Crusades: biggest mistake ever made
I don't know what sparked the pope, the holy vicar of christ on earth, to do something so stupid.
It was just an excuse to pillage towns and kill Muslims. They even sacked Jewish cities on the way.
There are two things in this world have killed more people and any other number of things combined:
Rats (Plagues)
and
Christianity
PrinceLoki
2005-01-15, 22:22
the crusades were purely religous. They were simply years of the church trying to gather all the issues of the old testament, any other gospels refering to him and anything else refering to jesus as a normal human, and ramming his so called divinity down peoples throats. He became the son of god because of a vote. (that was only won by 2 votes) This vote occured 400 years after his death.
No jesus wasnt a normal human but he wasnt the son of god either. He was the heir to the thrown of the jews and descended from the blood line of King Solomon. He was married to Mary Magdelane and their daughter sarah started a bloodline that is still around today hidden by the priory of sion.
napoleon_complex
2005-01-15, 23:01
So says Dan Brown.....
Steve Rogers
2005-01-16, 22:29
It was religous. The bible even uses genocide a few times so why would they think theres anything wrong with it then?
Steve Rogers
2005-01-16, 22:41
It was religous. The bible even uses genocide a few times so why would they think theres anything wrong with it then?
But yeah huge mistake. I belive the hatred was there years before ( i saw a documentary on the guy they believed started it but i can't remember his name). It certainly didnt help though