Is Masturbation a Sin?

I encourage everyone to NOT reply to this thread.

Not only has it been debated before (quite clearly and definitively from both sides of the house [christian, and non christian perspectives]), but I suspect the sincerity of this is null.

Lust is a sin. Masturbation cannot occur without lust.

I suggest you break out a Bible, and find out. It's the authority on such things, if you believe in God.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Lust is a sin. Masturbation cannot occur without lust.

So you don't masturbate, is what you're saying ... right?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I encourage everyone to NOT reply to this thread.

Not only has it been debated before (quite clearly and definitively from both sides of the house [christian, and non christian perspectives]), but I suspect the sincerity of this is null.

Lust is a sin. Masturbation cannot occur without lust.

I suggest you break out a Bible, and find out. It's the authority on such things, if you believe in God.

Have you ever masturbated?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Lust is a sin. Masturbation cannot occur without lust.





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lust[1,noun]lust[2,intransitive verb]

quote:Main Entry: 1lust

Pronunciation: 'l&st

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old High German lust pleasure and perhaps to Latin lascivus wanton

1 obsolete a : PLEASURE, DELIGHT b : personal inclination : WISH

2 : usually intense or unbridled sexual desire : LASCIVIOUSNESS

3 a : an intense longing : CRAVING b : ENTHUSIASM, EAGERNESS



Eating is a lust.

Taking a leak is a lust.

Going to sleep is a lust.

Im not saying one way or the other that DS is right or wrong, just want to here the opinions of other Christians who visit this site.

Sexual Lust

Yes, I have masturbated. (you would be hard pressed to find a human being that hasn't !)

The debate was not about whether or not I do. It was about whether it was a sin or not.

It is obvious what the answer is, which is why I found the initial post to be ridiculous in the first place. (no offense meant.)

Gluttony is a sin. EATING is not.

Anything in EXCESS is a sin, because it is indulging the flesh, which we are not supposed to do, as Christians.

The only thing we are told (in the Bible) to do with EXCESS is worship God. It is reasonable to assume that this is so because it is the only thing humans can participate in that won't harm them.

Masturbation leads to more wretched things, because, as with all things humans, we feel the necessity to "up-the-ante".

Take the famous serial killer, Ted Bundy, as an example of what LUST can do to you, if you let it get out of hand (and how many of us can actually control, with any certainty, what gets out of hand and what doesn't ?)

In a taped interview with Christian teacher James Dobson, he clearly indicates that his lust took him over long before he began murdering women:

Bundy said he began casually reading soft-core pornography when he was 12 or 13 years old. His friends found pornographic books in the garbage cans in his neighborhood: "(F)rom time to time we would come across pornographic books of a harder nature ... a more graphic, explicit nature than we would encounter at the local grocery store," he told Dobson in the taped interview. "But slowly throughout the years reading pornography began to become a deadly habit.

"My experience with pornography ... is once you become addicted to it, (and I look at this as a kind of addiction like other kinds of addiction), I would keep looking for more potent, more explicit, more graphic kinds of material. Like an addiction, you keep craving something that is harder, something which gives you a greater sense of excitement. Until you reach a point where the pornography only goes so far, you reach that jumping off point where you begin to wonder if maybe actually doing it would give you that which is beyond just reading or looking at it."

Within a few years, those latent desires fueled by pornography were expressed through his first murder. Although Bundy said he did not blame pornography, he explained that pornographic materials shaped and molded his behavior. He also warned the nation that "the most damaging kinds of pornography ... are those that involve violence and sexual violence. Because the wedding of those two forces, as I know only too well, brings out the hatred that is just, just too terrible to describe."

Bundy said that pornography "snatched me out of my home 20, 30 years ago ... and pornography can reach out and snatch a kid out of any house today." His religious training and morality initially restrained him from acting out his fantasies, but he confessed that finally, "I couldn't hold back anymore." http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0332_Ted_Bundy.html

He is just one example I could think of off the top of my head.

It is true that no matter what we experience, we desire to "raise the bar", to keep the experience interesting and vivid. (sports, drugs, sex, etc.)

If you sniff meth, you will eventually be able to do enough to kill a cow...because you can't keep doing the same amount as you did in the beginning, and experience the same results.

God knows this about us...He knows our nature. He created us, after all.

Knowing this, He gave us some guidelines on how to avoid complete emotional, physical, and spiritual destruction of ourselves, by giving us set limits.

Lust seems innocent at its root, but it grows, and can become uncontrollable.

We feed our lusts by watching porn (and masturbating), which inevitably degenerates any respect a woman can hold for herself.

Women then become objects, instead of people.

I am being very blunt, and getting from point A to point B without much explanation, but I don't really have the time right now to expound.

Hope that made some sense.

Also, if it weren't something to be guilty about (thus indicating the knowledge of the sinful nature of it), why does society hide it ?

It's not a sin but it's discouraged.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:



I suggest you break out a Bible, and find out. It's the authority on such things, if you believe in God.

I beg to differ. The Bible is ONLY an authority if you give it that much power over you. As Mark Twain put it so well "The Bible contains some noble poetry, a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies."

God is real, of course, and it irks me to see how he is maligned, pictured as a petty, vindictive sort of deity, instead of the god of pure love that he/she/it/them really is.

I don't know if it's a sin, but I can do it in my livingrom with the curtains open and not get busted.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Law/2005/01/27/912104-cp.html

Maturbation is one of mans basic instincts. When sexual tension builds up, you naturally want to release it. Wether its a sin or not? Who gives a shit. It feels good, and its natural. Do what your instincts tell you. My instincts tell me to fuck the shit out of women, if I have none at the moment, then masturbate.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

I beg to differ. The Bible is ONLY an authority if you give it that much power over you. As Mark Twain put it so well "The Bible contains some noble poetry, a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies."

God is real, of course, and it irks me to see how he is maligned, pictured as a petty, vindictive sort of deity, instead of the god of pure love that he/she/it/them really is.



How is it wrong to say that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, and therefore the only written authority to which we can seek truth ?

I said, "If you believe in God.", which means that if you don't, that statement doesn't apply to you.

I don't see how it makes God either petty OR vindictive to tell us not to ruin ourselves by becoming prisoner's of our flesh.

Indulgence of self is the main reason why humanity (as a whole) cannot experience God the way He desires to.

While I will not get into the intricacies of why that is so here, I have to wonder what about my post actually made you think I was painting God to be something He is not (based on what the Bible teaches us about Him, which is really all we have to go on, from a physical standpoint.)

Oh, and Mark Twain was not a Christian. What a surprise that he would make light of that particular religion's Handbook for Life.

[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 01-28-2005).]

"God is real, of course, and it irks me to see how he is maligned, pictured as a petty, vindictive sort of deity, instead of the god of pure love that he/she/it/them really is"

To ArmsMerchant: Im not trying to shit on your beliefs or anything. I am merely pointing out that, in the Old Testament, God is a vengeful fire-and-brimstone type of deity. He/she/it/they may be loving and all that, but I don't think "pure love" is the right way to put that.

If God really loved everything completely, would he (she/it etc) have brought down the ten plagues?

Just a thought...

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:



Gluttony is a sin.





Tell that to Jerry Fallwell.

quote:Originally posted by Fallen Seraph:

"God is real, of course, and it irks me to see how he is maligned, pictured as a petty, vindictive sort of deity, instead of the god of pure love that he/she/it/them really is"

To ArmsMerchant: Im not trying to shit on your beliefs or anything. I am merely pointing out that, in the Old Testament, God is a vengeful fire-and-brimstone type of deity. He/she/it/they may be loving and all that, but I don't think "pure love" is the right way to put that.

If God really loved everything completely, would he (she/it etc) have brought down the ten plagues?

Just a thought...

god didn't. stupid men just said god did

MasterPython:

According to that article, this dude was masturbating long enough for up to 15 minutes of unassisted view, further viewing by binoculars and telescope, an attempt at setting up a video camera and recording it from afar, a phone call to the police, and a trip from the police station to his house, at which point he still wasn't done.

All I need is a ten minute window before work to drop the hammer and summon thunder.

quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

Is Masturbation a Sin?



I masterbate to pictures of J3ezuz Kryzt

As you can see, I'm an athiest, and I believe in none of this sin-bullshit.

So Disciple ,masturbation and other inherant desires, always lead us to evil? I dont masturbate all the time but i still do it fairly often. i take drugs, i drink . if i wasnt an ugly bastard with a loss of sex drive (due to the drugs) then id be humping left right and center.

Does this make me bad? i dont think so. Way i see it is that God (if their is one, i personally have doubts but...) has given us a body for a reason . to enjoy and make use of them . gratification, appreciation of beauty enjoyment on a beyond the carnal level.

But because we have this flesh we have responsibiltys to ourself and others. Life isnt meant to be painful ,its about fucking ,eating ,shitting you get the idea. Salvation isnt achieved by restrictiong your body its about go beyond the need of a body. the body is a tool the mind the hand that guides it ,master the mind you master the body and achieve ...whatever you want

heaven is not a place that you go to when you body is destryed and the mind no longer has shackle. the mind dies with the body. its about freeing yourself....



im sorry if that was too long ,or is justr plain gay .....getting ready to become a cult leader ,gotta get practice in http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

later

Only when you get caught http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

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quote:Originally posted by the meth god:

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Only when you get caught http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

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damn right http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

quote:Originally posted by ThePuffin:

Does this make me bad? .... Salvation isnt achieved by restrictiong your body its about go beyond the need of a body.

Ro 3:22-25

22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all and on all those who believe. For there is no distinction,



23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;



24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus;

25 whom God set forth to be an atoning sacrifice, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done before, in the forbearance of God;



Joh 14:6

Jesus said to him, " I AM THE WAY, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, but by me. "

^hehe... you said 'comes'... jesus wants you to 'come' to his father, but by his own hand... sick.

quote:Lust is a sin.

sorry digi but thats not quite right.

what would a marriage be without lust?

or are you defining lust as sexual desire that has become an end in itself?

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The only thing we are told (in the Bible) to do with EXCESS is worship God. It is reasonable to assume that this is so because it is the only thing humans can participate in that won't harm them.

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Figures the would be the only thing you allowed to do in EXCESS. Also, yes one can become so obsessed with worship that it can lead to bad things.

[This message has been edited by Nemisis (edited 01-29-2005).]

OMG shutup noob i made a thread exactly like this not long ago. Its not a sin god made it possible to control ourselves.

quote:Originally posted by Fallen Seraph:

"God is real, of course, and it irks me to see how he is maligned, pictured as a petty, vindictive sort of deity, instead of the god of pure love that he/she/it/them really is"

To ArmsMerchant: Im not trying to shit on your beliefs or anything. I am merely pointing out that, in the Old Testament, God is a vengeful fire-and-brimstone type of deity. He/she/it/they may be loving and all that, but I don't think "pure love" is the right way to put that.

If God really loved everything completely, would he (she/it etc) have brought down the ten plagues?

Just a thought...

God is righteous in all things, including love, judgement, and anger.

Righteous

1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner.



2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment.

3. Morally justifiable: righteous anger.

Since He is the creator of all things, and tells us that He knows and understands all things, then we must conclude that His anger towards certain groups of people (and at one point the entire earth [i.e. the Flood]] is righteous, and therefore fair and just.

quote:The debate was not about whether or not I do. It was about whether it was a sin or not.

Christian filth is so hypocritical.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Yes, I have masturbated. (you would be hard pressed to find a human being that hasn't !)

The debate was not about whether or not I do. It was about whether it was a sin or not.

It is obvious what the answer is, which is why I found the initial post to be ridiculous in the first place. (no offense meant.)

Gluttony is a sin. EATING is not.

Anything in EXCESS is a sin, because it is indulging the flesh, which we are not supposed to do, as Christians.

The only thing we are told (in the Bible) to do with EXCESS is worship God. It is reasonable to assume that this is so because it is the only thing humans can participate in that won't harm them.

Masturbation leads to more wretched things, because, as with all things humans, we feel the necessity to "up-the-ante".

Take the famous serial killer, Ted Bundy, as an example of what LUST can do to you, if you let it get out of hand (and how many of us can actually control, with any certainty, what gets out of hand and what doesn't ?)

In a taped interview with Christian teacher James Dobson, he clearly indicates that his lust took him over long before he began murdering women:

Bundy said he began casually reading soft-core pornography when he was 12 or 13 years old. His friends found pornographic books in the garbage cans in his neighborhood: "(F)rom time to time we would come across pornographic books of a harder nature ... a more graphic, explicit nature than we would encounter at the local grocery store," he told Dobson in the taped interview. "But slowly throughout the years reading pornography began to become a deadly habit.

"My experience with pornography ... is once you become addicted to it, (and I look at this as a kind of addiction like other kinds of addiction), I would keep looking for more potent, more explicit, more graphic kinds of material. Like an addiction, you keep craving something that is harder, something which gives you a greater sense of excitement. Until you reach a point where the pornography only goes so far, you reach that jumping off point where you begin to wonder if maybe actually doing it would give you that which is beyond just reading or looking at it."

Within a few years, those latent desires fueled by pornography were expressed through his first murder. Although Bundy said he did not blame pornography, he explained that pornographic materials shaped and molded his behavior. He also warned the nation that "the most damaging kinds of pornography ... are those that involve violence and sexual violence. Because the wedding of those two forces, as I know only too well, brings out the hatred that is just, just too terrible to describe."

Bundy said that pornography "snatched me out of my home 20, 30 years ago ... and pornography can reach out and snatch a kid out of any house today." His religious training and morality initially restrained him from acting out his fantasies, but he confessed that finally, "I couldn't hold back anymore." http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0332_Ted_Bundy.html

He is just one example I could think of off the top of my head.

It is true that no matter what we experience, we desire to "raise the bar", to keep the experience interesting and vivid. (sports, drugs, sex, etc.)

If you sniff meth, you will eventually be able to do enough to kill a cow...because you can't keep doing the same amount as you did in the beginning, and experience the same results.

God knows this about us...He knows our nature. He created us, after all.

Knowing this, He gave us some guidelines on how to avoid complete emotional, physical, and spiritual destruction of ourselves, by giving us set limits.

Lust seems innocent at its root, but it grows, and can become uncontrollable.

We feed our lusts by watching porn (and masturbating), which inevitably degenerates any respect a woman can hold for herself.

Women then become objects, instead of people.

I am being very blunt, and getting from point A to point B without much explanation, but I don't really have the time right now to expound.

Hope that made some sense.

so if we're not supposed to do stuff in excess, can't we just masturbate a little bit?

god is what you make of him

Just masterbate and don't worry about it.

Digi, I had a similar converstation with several Christians a few days ago (although I am not) and they came to the same conclusion as some in this thread have (i.e. God gave us this body along with these pleasureable sensations, so why not). The thing is that you begin to lose yourself when you become excessive with any activity. It's similar to that of being a slave and losing your sense of will. Although I don't condone the practice of masturbation, moderation of the act would be most beneficial.

masturbation does not require sexual lust. I know this for a fact. If you're a person who tries not to, you wouldn't know, but if you make a habit of it, it occurs with next to no desire or personal pleasure on occasion, just the act for the sake of habit and the aid it gives to sleep.

Also, it does not escalate unless you don't do it for a few days. It's not like other drugs where you keep needing more and more to be sustained in your addiction, because the desire decreases over time if you make no attempt to stop. It's like any other bodily function, except for the fact that it's technically possible to stop for an extended period of time, unlike breathing.

I don't know why people put so much effort into all this. Why religion? Why not just live your lives?

if masturbation is a sin,god wudnt give us long enuf arms to reach our genitals

children around the age of 2 or 3 masturbate all the time (though i use the term loosely). Invalids with their brains half-zombie like due to accidents or whatever get hard-ons and jerk off.

Do these people have any idea of lust?

sell your 'sin' to someone else, please.

p.s. i fucked mary, jesus is my son - i'm very proud of the little pussy.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Anything in EXCESS is a sin, because it is indulging the flesh, which we are not supposed to do, as Christians.



That's a bit Victorian in thinking. In fact it's a lot Victiorian. So are you saying that loving somebody too much is a sin. I remember this poem by the Victorian poet who thought God took his young son because the poet committed the sin of loving his son too much.

Couldn't we argue that the body is impure and must therefore be defiled for the glory of God, and that we should therefore indulge in all things such as sex and eating and drinking and snorting coke?

quote:Originally posted by Rhodric:

children around the age of 2 or 3 masturbate all the time (though i use the term loosely). Invalids with their brains half-zombie like due to accidents or whatever get hard-ons and jerk off.

Do these people have any idea of lust?

sell your 'sin' to someone else, please.

p.s. i fucked mary, jesus is my son - i'm very proud of the little pussy.



lmfao. that's fukcing funny man!

Oh, sorry guys !

I was gone for a few days, and have fallen behind.

I'll get to ya'll.

God bless.

quote:Originally posted by Boobitron:

As you can see, I'm an athiest, and I believe in none of this sin-bullshit.

damn right man

just masturbate to jesus and everything will be alright http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)