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john_deer
2005-01-31, 03:29
This only appears in Bibles that don't replace gods name. like the king james.

Pslams 83:18, "That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH,

You alone are the Most High over all the earth." In Bibles where gods name isn't replace with things like lord, father etc. the name Jehovah(G-HO-VAH) appears in the bible over 7000 times. (this is a count from the orginal writings in hebrew and greek.)

LostCause
2005-01-31, 09:00
JEHOVAH is a miss translation from the Hebrew spelling. Of course, I can't write the Hebrew spelling because it's a different alphabet. Also it doesn't contain vowels, which was the biggest problem in the translation of the bible. And in fact, the Hebrew language and the English language have one thing in common in their history: they've both been through radical reform.

The English language today is nothing like it was five hundred years ago. Almost single handedly by Shakespeare. The Hebrew language was also altered dramatically in more modern times by a famous rabbi (whose name I'm embarrassed to say I don't remember) who recognized the problem in the translation of the Torah and other biblical hebraic literature and added a series of dots and dashes to signify vowels.

JEHOVAH it'self is actually supposed to be pronounced "Yaweh" and is spelled (these are the Hebrew letter written phonetically in English) Yod Heh Vav Heh.

There's variations on this, semantics, dialect, blah blah blah, but that's the basic.

Also, one particular thing - just to clue you in - is that Yaweh is supposed to be the unspoken name of god. You're not supposed to write it down or say it outloud. Therefore Jews (which is the religion all christian religions are based on, including Jehovah Witness) look at people who not only speak the unspoken word of god but put it in the title name of their religion as blasphemous and ignorant.

Obviously they don't know where their own religion comes from or they wouldn't do that.

Frankly, myself, I'm not religious so I'll say it over and over again and it doesn't bother me none. But, anyone who considers themselves of the Christian faith who speaks the unspoken name of god is in direct opposition of their own doctrine.

Edit: I just wanted to add that you should really look up a Hebrew alphabet online because there is no "G" or "Ho" in the Hebrew alphabet. The closest thing to those is "gimmel" and "heh" or "het". And I don't believe the Greek alphabet has a "G" or a "Ho" either.

Cheers,

Lost

[This message has been edited by LostCause (edited 01-31-2005).]

john_deer
2005-01-31, 17:59
their may be no G or Ho in the hebrew language but, for example a Korean girl I noe is name is Sam. In korea the translation is Sam-wood. This is not an appreviation of her name but a translation. Therefore, names can be different in other languages.

unchewed_meat
2005-01-31, 18:06
Names are names, they dont change with language unless they have a meaning, and you take that meaning and translate it.

Sometimes Koreans can't prounounce words unless they have a vowel sound at the end, for example, instead of saying President Bush, they would say President Bushie.

My mom is Korean and she calls salad, "saladah".

I dont know exactly how the vowel thing works, sometimes they do it, sometimes they dont.

My mom just said that Sam-mul means something like "well" as in the well that you get water out of. Maybe you just didn't understand what Sam said.

Plus, it cant be a translation because "Sam" doesn't even have a meaning, does it?

LostCause
2005-02-01, 01:31
quote:Originally posted by unchewed_meat:

Names are names, they dont change with language unless they have a meaning, and you take that meaning and translate it.



Yea, names don't change in translation. Especially if it's a name that's not even supposed to be written down or spoken...

That girl probably calls herself Sam because Samwood sounds bad. For instance, my landlords name Sarisharukaunt (or something crazy like that) but he tells everyone his name is Sam.

Cheers,

Lost

redzed
2005-02-01, 10:20
quote:Originally posted by LostCause:



JEHOVAH it'self is actually supposed to be pronounced "Yaweh" and is spelled (these are the Hebrew letter written phonetically in English) Yod Heh Vav Heh.



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Check out this web site http://www.yhwh.com/ the funky stick figure, at the head of the page, is apparently how the ancient Hebrews wrote "Yod Heh Vav Heh". Seems their earlist written language was a form of hieroglyphics, like the Egyptians. Take or leave the rest of the site but it's food for thought http://www.totse.com/bbs/eek.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/eek.gif)

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LostCause
2005-02-01, 20:56
quote:Originally posted by redzed:

Check out this web site http://www.yhwh.com/ the funky stick figure, at the head of the page, is apparently how the ancient Hebrews wrote "Yod Heh Vav Heh". Seems their earlist written language was a form of hieroglyphics, like the Egyptians. Take or leave the rest of the site but it's food for thought http://www.totse.com/bbs/eek.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/eek.gif)



That is true. The Torah actually didn't exist as a document before the migration and enslavement period in Egypt; and it's said that heiroglyphics and early Hebrew were similiar in their semantic structures. For instance, niether had vowels, and their sentence structures were similiar. More similiar than any other language, probably to date.

Of course, during the enslavement it was virtually impossible for jews to practice their religion, so - like the christians change christianity and made catholicism to convert the pagans - the jews changed their judaism and intergrated it with the Egyptian beliefs at the time so that they could worship.

The Torah itself, is incredibly similiar to the Egyptian Book Of The Dead. In fact, there are several points in the Torah where it appears to be word for word plagerized.

Whether or not the Torah was originally written in Egyptian hieroglypics or in Hebrew or in Aramaic is up for debate. Probably it was written in a combination of those languages and later translated all into Hebrew during the Leviticus.

Cheers,

Lost