I'm tired of hearing jackasses saying how "Jesus doesnt exist" and stupid shit like that.

This post is 100% factual.

Jesus did exist. He was likely very Arabic-looking, due to the reigon he was born in. He is now been turned white, black, asian, whatever.. because people are more likely to follor a leader who looks like them, then one who doesnt. I doubt many Americans would have a fun time following someone who looked like a "terrorist", as Bush has been labeling them.

Jesus was a very ugly man (objectively speaking), he was also slightly hunchbacked. He was NOT a poor, lonely carpenter boy like most people assume he was. In fact, Jesus was well-educated, and possessed more money than most commoners did. Maybe he didn't spend it all on wine and orgy like many people at the time, but the money was there for him, should he choose to use it.

Mary was about 14 years old at the time, and Joseph about 17. Again, the depiction of Mary being in her early 30's, is another view that society has been fed. Do you think it's culturately accurate to be saying that the "Son of God" came from a 14 year old? And why does society have such problems with 14 year olds getting pregnant nowadays? C'mon, supposedly this is what God choose, so this must be the optimal way, right? Also, the wisemen were shepherds, if my memory serves me, which was the job of the youngest son of the family. They would probably be 15 or so. How would the masses feel if instead of being a health bunch of adults, it was a group of kids, just barely teenagers?

Jesus was depicted with long hair and a beard, when he was promoted into becoming the son of god, by Rome. This was first on the Roman coin, when they were throwing out their old religion, and going with monotheism. He was depicted this way, to look similar to Zeus. Again, with the fact that people are more likely to follow a god that looks like them, and by depicting Jesus like Zeus, it was easier to get them to follow.

Are you seeing a pattern here? He has had thousands of makeovers by every culture around, to try and get people to follow that religion.



Now, back to the original subject...

Yes, Jesus existed. Yes, he was a real person. You are more than welcome to your opinion of him not existing, just like you're welcome to your opinion of the world being flat. You can think it, but you'd just be wrong. And stupid.



Maybe everyone here will be a little more enlightened next time they decide to say that "Jesus doesn't exist". I'm tired of trying to correct the ignorant.

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He was also probably gay.

quote:Originally posted by dagnabitt:

He was also probably gay.

And what's your reasoning behind that?

No reasoning per se on my part. I've just read it. Homosexuality wasn't as "bad" back then.

http://www.spiritrestoration.org/Church/All%20About%20Church%20Articles/Was-Jesus-Gay.htm

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_785708.html?menu=news.quirkies

http://www.rossetta.com/971207b.gif

quote:Originally posted by :tru:

And what's your reasoning behind that?

I don't know his/her's, so I'll tell you mine.

When the bible was being 'made' and 'translated' into English, there were several stories omitted. One of these stories included one in which Peter says to the other apostles, save Mary, 'Surely Jesus can't love a woman more than us...?'

This bitter question came about after Jesus announced his decision to make Mary an apostle. He often told them that nothing's wrong with males being affectionate towards one another; to add to this, he also told them that men should kiss.

Off of that issue....: True intellectuals of this age know that Jesus existed, no one's denying that. The argument is over who/what he was. I as well as others, strongly disavow and disbelieve the notion that he was God.

It is historical fact and common knowledge that he as well as other biblicle figures existed. Hint-hint...Pontius Pilate... The true arguments aren't about whether or not biblicle figures existed, it's over the claims (stories) surrounding these figures.

For instance, King Solomon. People know that he existed but the truly intelligent peoples of this world know that it is wise and justifyable to disagree with claims made by/of people in power.

It is well known that ROYALTY began with the belief that higher power(s) chose certain indivisuals to become royalty because they are some how, 'Greater' than common man. It is this belief that fuels scholars and even people of lesser educations to question the context and validity of certain claims.

So keep all that in mind when you choose to address an issue like the one you built this thread on. Overlook those who come bickering about religious happenings with no well thought out or original reason for their disbelief, it is best to simply ignore them.

Indeed. I'm not trying to argue whether or not he was gay, I'd just never checked up on it. About that part where Jesus said men should be affectionate and kiss.. where did you find that? Is it in the bible, and if so, where? I dont read the thing, so I dont know.

And yes, while Jesus existed, whether or not he was the son of god is another story entirely.

quote:

According to the U.S. Biblical scholar, Morton Smith, of Columbia University, a fragment of manuscript he found at the Mar Saba monastery near Jerusalem in 1958, showed that the full text of St. Mark chapter 10 (between verses 34 and 35 in the standard version of the Bible) contains a passage which includes the following text. --

"And the youth, looking upon him (Jesus), loved him and beseeched that he might remain with him. And going out of the tomb, they went into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus instructed him and, at evening, the youth came to him wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God".

Hm... if someone nowadays did something like that, he would be throw into court on child molestation charges. Oh, wait...



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quote:Originally posted by :tru:

Indeed. I'm not trying to argue whether or not he was gay, I'd just never checked up on it. About that part where Jesus said men should be affectionate and kiss.. where did you find that? Is it in the bible, and if so, where? I dont read the thing, so I dont know.

And yes, while Jesus existed, whether or not he was the son of god is another story entirely.

Hm... if someone nowadays did something like that, he would be throw into court on child molestation charges. Oh, wait...



I don't recall scripture as well as I used to. I think I made a mistake, I believe it was either Paul or Peter who made the comment about kissing. However, I believe there's a passge in the bible which has Jesus saying something similar.

Sorry I couldn't get to you ealier, I had a little trouble being banned and all. I get on this and see what I come up with. L8r.

I talk to Jesus on the phone all the time. We once talked about you. He called you a fag. I told him not to talk about you like that, but he told me to shut up.

True story.

quote:Originally posted by :tru:



Mary was about 14 years old at the time, and Joseph about 17. Again, the depiction of Mary being in her early 30's, is another view that society has been fed. Do you think it's culturately accurate to be saying that the "Son of God" came from a 14 year old? And why does society have such problems with 14 year olds getting pregnant nowadays? C'mon, supposedly this is what God choose, so this must be the optimal way, right? Also, the wisemen were shepherds, if my memory serves me, which was the job of the youngest son of the family. They would probably be 15 or so. How would the masses feel if instead of being a health bunch of adults, it was a group of kids, just barely teenagers?







Well most parents would want there kids to finish school, and back then they didn't have school,and men were the predominant people, the breadwinners, whatever you want to call it. Women now a days have a bigger role than 2000 years ago. (BTW, I am not a female, or all up for female rights or anything stupid like that)

quote:Originally posted by :tru:



Jesus was a very ugly man



hehe... man this board sucks lately

quote:Originally posted by chinese_food52:



Well most parents would want there kids to finish school, and back then they didn't have school,and men were the predominant people, the breadwinners, whatever you want to call it. Women now a days have a bigger role than 2000 years ago. (BTW, I am not a female, or all up for female rights or anything stupid like that)

Well, of course they do, but I'm mainly pointing out the representation of Mary and Joseph, them being these 30-ish couple, and the wise men being probably 40s-50's. And like I said.. how would the public feel if they were looking up to these idols, who are just teenagers, as being like these holy figures. The mother of the most powerful man ever is a 14-year-old girl? And the most powerful being in existance CHOOSE it to be that way? I know a hell of a lot of people who blindly follow the bible, yet they still think that 14 year olds fucking is wrong. I mean, since it's what GOD himself choose, wouldn't he pick what was optimal? He wouldn't go against his own ideals, so apparently, 14 year old mothers must be acceptable from a religious point of view.



quote:Originally posted by Eil:

hehe... man this board sucks lately

Jesus being ugly is making this board suck? Hm...

quote:Originally posted by :tru:

Jesus did exist.

Yes a fellow named joshua did exist. He is probably the same man who later become known as jesus. In all likelyhood he is the same man that started the christian cult, which later grew to become known as a religion.

Whether any of the rest of the stories about him are true are left up to one's own faith.



[This message has been edited by Nemisis (edited 02-20-2005).]

I don't see how the original post even remotely refutes the argument that Jesus didn't exist.

Original Post said: Jesus was most likely Arabic looking...

UMMM...why hasn't anyone commented on that yet ?!

Likely ?

HE WAS A JEW ! Living in a region full of Jews !

I just...I can't even begin to disassemble the rest.

It is safe to say that this is why those who claim to be Christian make those that actually are Christian look bad.

I am sorry, OP, but that just makes me angry.

I do commend you on trying to spread the gospel, though. Just think you need to do a bit more studying before you start "spreading".

God bless.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I don't see how the original post even remotely refutes the argument that Jesus didn't exist.

Original Post said: Jesus was most likely Arabic looking...

UMMM...why hasn't anyone commented on that yet ?!

Likely ?

HE WAS A JEW ! Living in a region full of Jews !

I just...I can't even begin to disassemble the rest.

It is safe to say that this is why those who claim to be Christian make those that actually are Christian look bad.

I am sorry, OP, but that just makes me angry.

I do commend you on trying to spread the gospel, though. Just think you need to do a bit more studying before you start "spreading".

God bless.

Maybe what was meant was, that because joshua/jesus was born in the middle east. He would have the look of someone from that part of the world.

I've wondered about this as well. Because of paintings that I had seen of jesus, which showed a blonde haired very light skinned person.

:tru, without citations to back up your post, it looks a lot to me like pointless rambling.

Even with sources, it would still be kind of pointless - most people will concede the fact that Jesus existed; most people will apply logic and realize that Jesus was probably Arabic. The overall point is that it's impossible to objectively prove that he (or He, if you like) existed, but it's fair enough to assume he did. So in conclusion, I'm not sure I see the purpose of your post.

man this is all bullshit, there is no jesus! c'mon, who wrote the bible... us... now if we have to make changes to it or whatever ourselves what the fucks up with that... how come he doesn't use any of his "powers" any more and give people visable signs anymore or any of that shit! (shine a light on a monument from heaven for a few days or something, c'mon!)

FIRST:

Revelation 22:18-19 - I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Conclusion: those that mess with the message of God are cursed.

2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness...

Conclusion: No matter what, the Bible will retain its purpose, as intended by God.

John 10:35 - Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’ ? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came –and the Scripture cannot be broken...

Conclusion: The word of God is infallible.

Psalm 12:6 - And the words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined in a furnace of clay, purified seven times.

Conclusion: Obvious.

Proverbs 30:5 - Every word of God is flawless...

Conclusion: Obvious.

Matthew 5:18 - I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Conclusion: The Bible cannot be changed, until after God's prophecies are fulfilled (the end of the earth).

[/b]Isaiah 55:11[/b] - So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Conclusion: God wrote the Bible through man, and it says what He intended it to say. Nothing will detract from its purpose.

SECOND:

It is stated in the Bible that there will be no signs and wonders (miracles), until they are presented by false prophets (in the end times). Accordingly, we will not be seeing them now.

I have searched for the scripture for over an hour now. I can't find it. When I do, I will post, unless someone else can provide it for me.

If miracles and wonders were still prevalent, it would affect us no more than does the scripture of the Bible.

It would be common, and people would grow to expect miracles, resenting God when they didn't happen.

People often say, "If God wants me to believe in Him, He needs to prove Himself to me."

Seeing is not always believing.

http://www.godonthe.net/wasblack.htm

http://www.yfiles.com/black.html

And for desert,

http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2633187.stm

So it appears that Jesus was a gay black man who used pot, drank wine and had rituals where he ceremoniously feasted on the flesh of his father while drinking his blood.



What would jesus do? Why he'd get drunk and high, fuck you in your ass, and then drink your blood. I smell a new thread: Who was more punk GG or JC?



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quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

FIRST:

Conclusion: those that mess with the message of God are cursed.

Conclusion: No matter what, the Bible will retain its purpose, as intended by God.

[Proverbs 30:5 - Every word of God is flawless...



Conclusion: The Bible cannot be changed, until after God's prophecies are fulfilled (the end of the earth).

Conclusion: God wrote the Bible through man, and it says what He intended it to say. Nothing will detract from its purpose.



Says the Bible

Faith is great stuff, it can make you beleive something is right just because it says it is.

I have faith because I know God personally. I don't mean in a "we sat in a coffee shop and ate scones" type of way.

I have no reason to disbelieve, since I was already walking down that path, and I have experienced Him since then.

Don't judge scripture by your own personal experience. It is the perfect word of God, whether you know it or not.

Well if your calling christianity a cult that is not a reasonable awnser. A cult is a defient group who has a religion but isnt accepting morals of man. When christiantity was addopted in a form by romans it was considered a religion because it taught right morals. Also this is coming from a devout Chatholic.

CULT

A system or community of religious worship and ritual.



Other than the fact that this definition nullifies your point...

What WAS your point, and who said it was a cult ?

*confused*

How would anyone know Jesus was a hunback or ugly? I'm not disputing the fact that he was, I just wondered, with Jesus being such an essentially mysterious figure, how there is sufficient evidence to disprove the viability of the typical image. Not that it really matters. In fact, the fact that he existed doesn't even matter, it makes the idea of him being a superior being no more plausible.

God said He would preserve his Word. We have that today, its called the bible. Yet you say stuff was omitted. Thatmeans God is a liar. Since you believe these fallacies, how do you explain such? Where did you here this bullshit from anyway?

Jesus was a colored man, welcome to the real world.

quote:Well, of course they do, but I'm mainly pointing out the representation of Mary and Joseph, them being these 30-ish couple...

At some point in their lives they were 30-ish..

But at what point are you referring to ? When they gave birth to Jesus ?

THEY WERE BUT CHILDREN. Maybe 17, at most. Study the culture back then...it was rare to get married and have children any later than that.

17 was considered well into adulthood in that culture.

quote:Originally posted by Nemisis:

Yes a fellow named joshua did exist. He is probably the same man who later become known as jesus. In all likelyhood he is the same man that started the christian cult, which later grew to become known as a religion.

Whether any of the rest of the stories about him are true are left up to one's own faith.



"Joshua" ?

His name translated was Iesous. "EE-AY-SOOS".

That cannot EVER be translated into English as "Joshua".

You obviously need to study the religion more (to include Greek and Hebrew translations into English), so I don't think you should be commenting on "faith", which is the hardest thing (in my opinion) to understand.

Its obvious, Jesus was a drug lord.

12 disciples were obviously dealers.

So Jesus and his disciples went around spreading love and good times with various drugs.

'Dooooood, that guys fucking walkin on water man! This is good shit.'

Of course Jesus was real... but I forgot to let him out of the trunk. SHIT.