"Jesus was a sailor when he walked upon the water

"and he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower

"and when he knew for certain only drowning men could see him

"he said "All men shall be sailor, until the sea shall free them."

"But, he himself was broken long before the sky would open

"Forsaken - almost human, he sank beneath your wisdom like a stone.

"And you want to travel with him

"and you want to travel blind

"and you hope that you can trust him

"for he's touched your perfect body with his mind."

- Author: Leonard Cohen, Song: Suzanne, Verse 3

I see this sort of "idolization" for the christian faith in Jews. Christians are provided this sort of incredibly personal, compassionate, all encompassing, and all forgiving god that is a completely alien concept to Jews.

Like when you see Van Goughs Starry Starry Night, it's like looking in on this incredibly beautiful world that exists somewhere (even if it's just in the minds of other people.) but isn't available to you, because Judaism preaches a doctrine that is comparatively very very logical. They believe in the furthering of science as a way to only strengthen their beliefs where Christianity has tried to hide science from their beliefs. Because science can't support christianity. It can't support any spiritual belief, but it is capable of breaking one.

This was just a passing thought.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

It [science] can't support any spiritual belief, but it is capable of breaking one.



Interesting thought my dad had the other day about how science illustrates a point of Buddhism: As science has progressed in depth and scope, concepts have gotten more confusing, not less confusing. For every question that is answered, ten new ones are created. Creating distinctions can only befuddle the world. Seeing without distinctions is seeing the world clearly.

quote:Originally posted by Social Junker:

Interesting thought my dad had the other day about how science illustrates a point of Buddhism: As science has progressed in depth and scope, concepts have gotten more confusing, not less confusing. For every question that is answered, ten new ones are created. Creating distinctions can only befuddle the world. Seeing without distinctions is seeing the world clearly.

There is a limit on how complex the universe can be. The smallest measureble distance neupnd which we can't see anything because it requires enough energy to create a black whole. That distance is somewhere around the plank constant. After you deal with that the universe only gets sympler. Also new theories cover more and more of the known forces. Quantum electro dinamics covers 3 of the 4 basic and string theory could incompace everything.

i didn't know cohen was jewish.

His name is Cohen.

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

His name is Cohen.

Not capitalizing names is one of the 7 deadly sins.

*narrows eyes at RAOVQ*

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

His name is Cohen.

Also, if you listen to his music much he writes a lot about his facination with the christian faith. For instance, his song: Sisters Of Mercy.

It think this is really indicative of jewish culture.

Cheers,

Lost

Why does the name Leonard Cohen sound so familiar? What else has he done?

i listen to him occasionally, and saw that his views on christianity are external, but i had never guessed he was jewish. i just assumed he was athiest or something.

If you've seen him, he looks like a typical Jew.

And is he actually religious?

quote:Originally posted by Nephtys-Ra:

If you've seen him, he looks like a typical Jew.

And is he actually religious?

I believe he's dead now. But, I doubt it. However, being Jewish isn't all about the religion, it's also a culture. For instance, I'm Jewish, but I'm agnostic. I still celebrate the holidays for traditions sake, but I don't believe in it spiritually.

I think a lot of Jews feel the same way. We practice, but for tradition not spirituality.

Cheers,

Lost

oh, i thought we were talking about his actual religion.