in my 2 decades of existence i think the only thing we should ever worry about is karma think about it it's an awesome belief so simple is u do good good will come back 2 u if u do bad bad will come back 2 u if we could get rid of religion and goverment and just put that belief in our kid's if u do good good will come 2 u and if u do bad bad will come 2 u just imagine how great the world would b but then again i could b a babbling idiot

Two decades, and THAT's your level of command over English?

Just kidding.

I thought you hated God and religion?

You do realize that the belief in karma requires a way to measure good and bad beyond the individual human, correct?

i hate everything and no it wouldn't it would b based on the simpliest of rules and we could break it down 4 moron's 2 understand like if i give u a dollar in some way shape or form i'll get a dollar and if i kick u in the nut's something bad wil happen 2 my nut's

...which would require either divine intervention (karma) or the government monitoring every thought we have in our brains (moral communism).

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Not to mention the ethical idea of something "good" happening versus something "bad" happening would depend on the standard by which we judge "good" and "bad", which in turn requires a beyond-human authority.

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c this is the only part i don't understand about the human race u people have 2 have supervision just do it and don't look of ur shoulder 2 make sure god r the goverment is watching just b good 2 other people and trust that it's all going 2 work out lol i mean fuck it's like ur little preschooler's and u have 2 b watched and if little joey eat's little holly's poptart u want 2 tell the teacher well just have faith that it might not happen then but maybe one day someone's going 2 do something equally bad 2 joey just have faith fucking human's r so damn stupid y do u absolutly have 2 have supervision just make ur own choice's and do what u know is right and good and good will happen 2 u and if u do bad know that bad will happen 2 u

Damnit. Karma has nothing to do with religion. It's a concept to explainthe behaviour and actions of human beings. In this case, Karma simply refers to cause and effect, where the law is similar to Newton's Second Law...in this case: what goes around, comes around.

When are people going to realize that karma is the biggest sack of shit in the world? The good people rot away in hellhole existences while the selfish rise to the top...usually.

Too bad everyone, well actually just Shaokhano and Infernal have no fucking clue what they're talking about.

Seriously, know about the fucking subject before you pass it as authority.

Gringos, I swear.

quote:Originally posted by Infernal:

[B]Damnit. Karma has nothing to do with religion.[B]

actually it's a hindu beleif

Actually, it's originally a Vedic belief.

But good try.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

Too bad everyone, well actually just Shaokhano and Infernal have no fucking clue what they're talking about.

Seriously, know about the fucking subject before you pass it as authority.

Gringos, I swear.

Shut up you fucking troll. I know what karma is...hell, its one of the subjects in school. Take your crappy assumptions elsewhere.

Karma isn't a belief - its a teaching. Why? Because it uses a rational train of thought to justify it's arguements....beliefs are statements that are not known to be true or not. Therefore, Sean and TheSwave - stop being dumbasses - research before making pretential statements.

The reason why i said that it doesn't have anything to do with religion, is that its true even if you dont believe in buddhism/hinduism. It applies if you're athiest, it applies if you're Christian, it applies if you're Satanist.

Eg. George Bush has the power to conquer the world ---> George Bush almost dies when eating pretzels

Eg. Criminal kills some guy ----> Criminal goes to jail. If not, they have to live with a guilty conscience.

So you're wrong. Eat shit and die.

so your trying to say the world is fair and balenced and i'm the dumbass and it can be both its a teaching because of what you said above but its a belief because u accept it to be true retard also those were some shitty examples

You fucking idiot. I said its not a belief.

Belief:

1. acceptance of truth of something: acceptance by the mind that something is true or real, often underpinned by an emotional or spiritual sense of certainty

eg.belief in an afterlife

Teaching: Something that we know that exists, and is true.

God is a belief, Heaven is a belief, a brick hurtling at your head at 25m/s is not. You dumbass, Karma exists because it is so broad, and fits into our lives. Without life, there will be no karma, and vice-versa. Stop being a troll, and back up your arguements, you fuckhead.



[This message has been edited by Infernal (edited 02-19-2005).]

Regardless of the definition of belief and teaching.

You are still wrong.

Suck it white-boy.

Actually, you're still wrong, I'm not white. Dumbass, i didn't even have to say anything and you still get owned.

damn your worthless a teaching is something taught see the root word teach a beleif is something u accepst as true learn your vocabulary dictionary.com works well karma is bullshit how many people have to tell you this



and if this has nothing to do with religion why the fuck did you put it in here

What was that? I couldn't read your post....it was incoherent.

You accept facts as truth...but they might not be. That's a belief. A teaching is not a belief. It's teaching something that is true. Damnit. Can't you read?

Karma does exist. you just don't believe in it because you're a christian or someshit. We don't have to give it a name...it exists. such as coin-flipping...doesn't have a fancy name but it exist.

No, you're wrong chink/gook/jap/nip/nigger/spic/gook/gook/jap.

Infernal, if you can give me a single example of karma existing (that I can't tear apart in under 4 sentences), I'll give you a cookie.

Weren't you paying attention to this thread? Karma is so broad, I'm sure a smart boy like you could make up your own example instead of asking me to own racist white boys.

Karma doesnt exist, lifes a bitch, the evil get everything while good people get shit.

Deal with it or call someone who cares.

Infernal and Shaokhano:

Pwned. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma)

Gwned. (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=karma&x=0&y=0)

Dwned. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=karma)

Qwned. (http://www.meta-religion.com/World_Religions/Buddhism/karma.htm)

Cwned. (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bits/bits027.htm)

Bwned. (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos264.htm)

Bow to the throne of aTribeCalledSean.

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Quoted from "Cwned"

"As, therefore, karma exists when ignorance exists but not when it does not exist, it is to be understood that this karma depends on ignorance."

kkthxbai gg no re.

quote:Originally posted by Shaokhano:

in my 2 decades of existence

You say your 20, yet you type like a 12 year old.

quote:Originally posted by Infernal:

Quoted from "Cwned"

"As, therefore, karma exists when ignorance exists but not when it does not exist, it is to be understood that this karma depends on ignorance."

kkthxbai gg no re.

The purpose of our collective and continuous lives is to master our karma, and to not be subject to it; for once we do, we are released from the cycle of birth-death-rebirth.

Fact check, Tribe?

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Tribe is a white racist kidiot who eats anal lube out of the box.

btw, you mastaer it by not doing anything. The buddha meditated for 6 years, doing nothing but sitting under a bodha tree and finally mastered it. I don't know what happened after that, something like preaching his findings.

i'll tell u what ur the most correct person on the moon yes sir u r cause u can't teach a belief nope they don't have no sunday schooling where they teach the bible and a belief can't b learned neither but what really amazes me is u moron's will debt the meaning of a word like u fuckbag's r bill clinton it's easy as hell get rid of religion and teach the belief that if u do something good good will come 2 u and if u do something bad bad will come 2 u easy as hell but i guess people like u r the reason this world is in the shape it is cause u can't put aside ur damn differences cause u have 2 fuck everything up cause ur 2 2 yr's old and another thing if u dumb shit's can't understand my typing well then maybe just maybe u don't have 2 read it it's not that hard i'm sure if u put some thought behind it u can figure it out but if ur so stupid u can't do it o well ur true intelligence is shown though better than u know

quote:Originally posted by Infernal:

Tribe is a white racist kidiot who eats anal lube out of the box.

btw, you mastaer it by not doing anything. The buddha meditated for 6 years, doing nothing but sitting under a bodha tree and finally mastered it. I don't know what happened after that, something like preaching his findings.



You just don't understand the dynamics of Karma.

I didn't ever feel like explaining because I'm lazy. I still don't feel like explaining it all but....

Your first misconception is that personal Karma is consequential in this lifetime.

Me + Tyrant = Correct.

You tried to use that qoute on karma and ignorance out of it's true context. Of course if everyone wasn't ignorant to the true nature and consequences of Karma, then it would be eliminated because people would see the need to extinguish it (nirvana). You tried to use it a psuedo-insult. You failed.

Okay thanks bye good game no rematch.

Infernal:

The Buddha reached enlightenment when he STOPPED 'doing nothing'.

Shaokhano:

If you keep your perspective only on a physical dimension, you cannot teach children that good will come to those who do good when that's obviously not true.

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quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:



You just don't understand the dynamics of Karma.

I didn't ever feel like explaining because I'm lazy. I still don't feel like explaining it all but....

Your first misconception is that personal Karma is consequential in this lifetime.

Me + Tyrant = Correct.

You tried to use that qoute on karma and ignorance out of it's true context. Of course if everyone wasn't ignorant to the true nature and consequences of Karma, then it would be eliminated because people would see the need to extinguish it (nirvana). You tried to use it a psuedo-insult. You failed.

Okay thanks bye good game no rematch.

Dynamics of karma....hahahaha! You're arguments are laughable! Overstatements over such a simple matter - no wonder you do not understand.

About the qoutations on your articles, you landed a two-edged sword on yourself by posting the links up in the first place. By the way, that quotation is quite relevant, its implying that dipshits like you are ignorant and would not notice that karma exist...but guess what? It's saying that it does, even if you don't believe in Buddhism/Hinduism.

Learn to sopt the implications before taking it in pragmatically, otherwise you'll make no sense. also, stop pulling words out of context....no-one will understand what the fuck you're talking about.

Peace.

Actually, I think everyone but you understood what I was saying.

Also, I am not the one who posted links.

Trust me, I hold much more knowledge on this subject than you do.

quote:Originally posted by Infernal:

Dynamics of karma....hahahaha! You're arguments are laughable! Overstatements over such a simple matter - no wonder you do not understand.

And that wasn't an overstatment?

What argument did I even present?



About the qoutations on your articles, you landed a two-edged sword on yourself by posting the links up in the first place. By the way, that quotation is quite relevant, its implying that dipshits like you are ignorant and would not notice that karma exist...but guess what? It's saying that it does, even if you don't believe in Buddhism/Hinduism.

Are you retarded? I already said that you tried to use that qoute as an insult. Do you even read what other people write?

Learn to sopt the implications before taking it in pragmatically,

Seriously gook/jap/chink, try reading what other people write before you respond, I explained the implications of the qoute. Or can't your chinkee squint eyes make out the letters?



otherwise you'll make no sense. also, stop pulling words out of context....no-one will understand what the fuck you're talking about.

What words did I pull out of context?

Peace.

Peace chink-sauce.

The last thing I'd do in an argument is make fun of other people's nationality. Eat shit and die, confederate scum.

quote:Originally posted by Infernal:

The last thing I'd do in an argument is make fun of other people's nationality.

I agree. What does someone's nationality of ethinicity have to do with their intelligence? Knowledge and intelligence have to do with education and training of the mind.

this is karma u do something stupid and stupid shit happens 2 u HA Karma is REAL FUCK SHIT

The idea of karma was popularized in the west through the work of the Theosophical Society. Kardecist and Western New Age reinterpretations of karma frequently cast it as a sort of luck which is associated with virtue: if one does good or spiritually valuable acts, one deserves and can expect good luck; contrariwise, if one does harmful things, one can expect bad luck or unfortunate happenings. In this conception, karma is affiliated with the Neopagan law of return or Threefold Law, the idea that the beneficial or harmful effects one has on the world will return to oneself.

Beep beep. WRONG.

Fuckin crackers/chinks.

Don't know what they're talking about.

Oh why do we even try Tyrant?

I'm going to apologize for my previous statement about karma...I was mistaken and thought you were talking about the Western view of karma (The Golden Rule, etc.). I have no opinion on whether the Eastern view of karma exists or not...I guess I'll find out if I happen to be reincarnated...maybe if I'm not, too. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Dude, it's not like I have anything against you, but if you keep on being a racist, we'll be just as ignorant.

I can see where you're going, but that's your ideology. I think it's fair to say that there is no real definition of 'karma' since there are so many readings, or what not. We can't justify it because of the many different readings available for karma.

but for some people, it exist, for others, it doesn't.

If you're offended in any way, I'm sorry.

Godammnit, you are so nice dude.

I love you so much.

I'm half asian, half white. I just thought you'd like to know that.

And yes, I was being a bitch because we were discussing Karma in the buddhist thought, so in that case, most everyone in this thread is very wrong, they were all thinking of it in the western sense as Hex said.

Aw, I missed a kiss-and-make-up party? I love you guys.

This all kind of strayed from the original point of contrast I held with Shaokhano, which is the question of karma existing without belief in a super-human authority.

Let's begin the discussion anew.

Can Karma exist without religion?

Discuss.

Wihtout religion? No.

Without a sentient supreme being? Yes.

I believe in Karma, but i wish i didint. I barly do anything good and when i do i dont get anything back in return. Im starting to believe karma is just a ploy to make everyone have a conscious.

i'll agree with the fruitcake in the corner of the room that's what i meant no god no answering 2 some all powerful shit fuck just hell teach it like we teach religion life would b so much better and 2 the testical breathe shit eater that said he does bad and then when he does godd nothing good come 2 him that karma bitch

Is english your third language?

I believe that Karma exists, only if you believe in it. What I mean is, if you believe in Karma, and good/bad events happen to you, you may dismiss it as "karma". Though, if this good/bad stuff happens to you, but you don't believe in Karma....it doesn't exist.

It's ambiguous I guess.

quote:Originally posted by Shaokhano:

i'll agree with the fruitcake in the corner of the room that's what i meant no god no answering 2 some all powerful shit fuck just hell teach it like we teach religion life would b so much better and 2 the testical breathe shit eater that said he does bad and then when he does godd nothing good come 2 him that karma bitch

Attempting to decipher your posts makes me want to throw my head into a bucket of bleach.