Say in this hypothetical situation you had the choice to make christianity true.

You could go to heaven and have eternal life and be happy for forever.

Or you could die and just not exist for forever.

What would you do?

Huh...simplistic, but unique.

Nice.

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I'll take being eaten by worms. The Christian god isn't in to the things I am...so I'd rather live with my own standards now and then die later.

Perhaps another sort of "God", not the Christian one.

good question. if i could create someone who is perfect, wants the best for everyone, and is essentially the best parts of the bible, then hell yeah.

but i wouldn't want one who send you to hell for jacking off or enjoying sex, is jealous and has stupid rules like church attendance and an arse backwards facist moral code. that guy would be a bit of a cockhead.

This is a really stupid rhetorical question. Anyone would pick heaven, given the choice.

What does this prove? People would rather live in eternal bliss than vanish forever.

Gears up sarcasm...

...Wow, what a revalation!

im sorry, i answered the actual topic, not could i make christianity true. since there is no proof for anything christianity actauly being true, except for self created stuff, its fair to say that people belive based on faith. and faith comes from a desire.

essentially, people want to get the good bits, so they belive it. hence, if i wanted christianity to be true, it would be for me.

Yeah, let the people have their fun. But the god should only have the good quallities as arguable as those are. And I don't know about heaven, I'll have to try it out first to see what I want to do with my afterlife.

If I could create God...I guess it is true, you can't pass up an opprotunity like this.

Plus if you fuck up and might go to hell you can just tell God "Hey motherfucker! I created you and I can destroy you just as easily!"

If I could create a god and heaven who shared my ideals, I definately would. I would never EVER create a Christian god.

quote:Originally posted by great_sage=heaven:

This is a really stupid rhetorical question. Anyone would pick heaven, given the choice.

What does this prove? People would rather live in eternal bliss than vanish forever.

Gears up sarcasm...

...Wow, what a revalation!

If your dumb ass would look at the replies and the question of creating a CHRISTIAN GOD, you would see you're wrong.

Sorry douchebag, you said very clearly I would get to heaven. Anybody would awnser the same thing for any religion if they got into heaven.

Your question remains rhetorical and retarded. Is this so hard to understand?

What do you think some disgruntled athiests going to say, "hmmmm heaven sounds nice, but since I'm so spiteful towards christians, I'll pick nothingness"?

^ It won't happen. That's why it's a rhetorical question. Look it up.

Edit: Just to further drill my point in. I firmly believe that anyone that says they would choose nothingness, just because they don't like the christian god, is a self righteous liar. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

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quote:Originally posted by great_sage=heaven:



Edit: Just to further drill my point in. I firmly believe that anyone that says they would choose nothingness, just because they don't like the christian god, is a self righteous liar. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)



It's not that simple.

Christians believe that their god exists right now. They also believe him to be omnipotent and omniscient.

There is evil in the world.

So the question in reality becomes, would I prefer to create an omnipotent and omniscient god that deliberately allows for evil to exist (i.e. which is what Christian god would amount to with their current interpretation), or would I prefer nothingness.

In that scenario, I without a doubt in my body, would prefer nothingness. You may think I'm lying, but I'm most definitely not.

Good point, I personally believe however that it's self serving and simple minded to say, "why would god allow evil?". In fact I think it's silly to say our concept of good or evil would even apply to god.

This is why I think the concept of the christian as well as many other god's is flawed. Our morals are our own invention, we need to live with that.

However I repeat, if creating the "christian" god, would place me in heaven, of course I'd do it. Just like everybody else, wether they'd admit to it or not.

If it guaranteed my place in heaven, then of course. But the mere creation of the Christian god does not guarantee this. Actually, one could argue the opposite. According to Christianity one needs to be sincere about his or her belief, and not do it for self-serving reasons.

Arguably, me creating the Christian god in order to get to heaven is completely self-serving and thus, self-defeating.

quote:Originally posted by unchewed_meat:

If I could create a god and heaven who shared my ideals, I definately would. I would never EVER create a Christian god.

Same here, there's no way I could worship such a petty, insecure being.

Am I self-righteous? Sure (it seems everyone is sometimes). A liar? Never, truth is too much fun. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

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quote:Originally posted by Rust:

If it guaranteed my place in heaven, then of course. But the mere creation of the Christian god does not guarantee this. Actually, one could argue the opposite. According to Christianity one needs to be sincere about his or her belief, and not do it for self-serving reasons.

Arguably, me creating the Christian god in order to get to heaven is completely self-serving and thus, self-defeating.

I agree with you rust, however the question implied that this would lead to passage to heaven.

quote: You could go to heaven and have eternal life and be happy for forever.

Or you could die and just not exist for forever.

There's the choice he laid out. That's why I see it as dumb rhetorical question, he never mentioned eternal damnation.



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I assumed that implication in my own answer...sometimes people ask a question giving a few possible answers...if none fit, make your own. If I created the Christian God, I'd go to Hell. So I'd choose inexistence over eternal suffering.

Umm just a though but ... being a atheist and choseing a god is against the point. That like being a vegitarian and picking your favorite meat. Athism is the realization that there is no god...

but... if i had to pick Id have a so god that when died it was just like living agian cept better... more sex

No, it's totally not against any point. It's a hypothetical question...if you're too weak minded to entertain a god existing you really need to drink some draino.

quote:Originally posted by great_sage=heaven:

Sorry douchebag, you said very clearly I would get to heaven. Anybody would awnser the same thing for any religion if they got into heaven.

Your question remains rhetorical and retarded. Is this so hard to understand?



First off, it wasn't my question.

Second:

quote:You could go to heaven and have eternal life and be happy for forever.

quote:

Could: Used to indicate possibility or probability

It was never guaranteed, it is not rhetorical, pay attention.

quote:Originally posted by great_sage=heaven:

Sorry douchebag, you said very clearly I would get to heaven. Anybody would awnser the same thing for any religion if they got into heaven.

Your question remains rhetorical and retarded. Is this so hard to understand?

What do you think some disgruntled athiests going to say, "hmmmm heaven sounds nice, but since I'm so spiteful towards christians, I'll pick nothingness"?

^ It won't happen. That's why it's a rhetorical question. Look it up.

Edit: Just to further drill my point in. I firmly believe that anyone that says they would choose nothingness, just because they don't like the christian god, is a self righteous liar. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)



Sage you're a moron. Your stupid belief in the fact that people would pick heaven over nothingness is ridiculous. For one atheists don't believe in the afterlife or their own soul, so a true atheist wouldn't create a god to just got into heaven. For two, compare the states of nothingness and eternal existence for a second; If you dissapear into oblivion, you're not missing anything, you don't feel anything. If you exist forever, everything about your essence will change, especially if you live in a heaven you have no desire to be in, the heaven as described in the "Christian teachings." As other people said, "Why be in a heaven where none of the things I like are there?" Organized religion in of itself is just full of shit and a horrible joke that's been perpetuated by the ignorant masses for way too long. Philosophies I can dig, but not all the other junk, it just takes the place of self worth, it's one of the biggest cop outs in existence. I am agnostic. I believe in the supernatural and higher beings and other things, but not the junk of the bible. I wouldn't create the christian god as he is in the bible. I also am quite sure there are millions of people who would rather just drift off into nothingness. Has anyone ever stayed awake a real long time? Do you know what it feels like? For those that have, can you imagine that existence for untold ages. Eventually you'd want yourself destroyed, look at popular literature, immortal beings are either always resting and reawakening, or they are seeking ways to kill themselves, or they die and resurrect. A continued existence is not desirable if it's forever. Besides, you'll never get a true atheist to believe in that shit anyways. So for all those atheists, enjoy your nothingness, I plan to take my essence when my mortal shell rots and travel the cosmos. =)



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Not that my experience is definitive or anything, but I once had a dream where I died and stopped existing.

It really wasn't bad at all. Kind of nice and relaxing, actually. After I woke up and "started" existing again, I missed it a little.

At any rate, it sounds a lot better than an eternity of Mormon sing-alongs.

I'd make myself God

quote:Originally posted by nemur:

Sage you're a moron. Your stupid belief in the fact that people would pick heaven over nothingness is ridiculous. For one atheists don't believe in the afterlife or their own soul, so a true atheist wouldn't create a god to just got into heaven.



Just because they don't believe in an afterlife or a soul, doesn't mean they wouldn't create the two if it meant eternal bliss. Lack of belief and actually being opposed to something are two completely seperate things, idiot. I don't believe in magical sex goddeses that can create bacon sandwiches out of thin air, but if I could create one, of course I would. Methinks you are the moron.

And Zeratal, I guess you did say 'could' instead of 'would' go to heaven. My bad. But my awnser still remains, a life of piety wouldn't be so bad a trade of for eternal bliss. Besides the christian god is forgiving, we could all just repent on our death bed. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) <--- for all the idiots out there, that was a joke.





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Well I'm not atheist... but I'd rather just die. Heaven is one of the reasons I no longer am Christian (raised christian). Living in forever bliss? If even possible it just shouldn't be. The great thing about life as it is is the "bads" along with the "goods". All good is taking one of the most essential things out of life - feeling. I just don't see why so many people can't wait to get into heaven. Enjoy life as it is. If you ask me, this is a perfect life. (Even though it sucks ass right now...)

^^^Many "progressive" christians hold more to the "Heaven or Hell is what you make on Earth" kinda mindset. Because Heaven is such a mystery, even if you take scripture literally.

And to answer the main question:

It is tempting to say that I would just want to not exist forever. But I think I'd rather take my chances on heaven being worthwile. So I'd probably make christianity true, in a sense.

quote:Originally posted by great_sage=heaven:

Just because they don't believe in an afterlife or a soul, doesn't mean they wouldn't create the two if it meant eternal bliss. Lack of belief and actually being opposed to something are two completely seperate things, idiot. I don't believe in magical sex goddeses that can create bacon sandwiches out of thin air, but if I could create one, of course I would. Methinks you are the moron.

And Zeratal, I guess you did say 'could' instead of 'would' go to heaven. My bad. But my awnser still remains, a life of piety wouldn't be so bad a trade of for eternal bliss. Besides the christian god is forgiving, we could all just repent on our death bed. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)







I can't believe you are this stupid and that much of a moron. Not every person would do something just because they could. Every person is capabale of killing people for example, it's quite easy. It doesn't mean we all would. The christian god is forgiving, but there are certain things that can't be forgiven depending on which branch of the christian religion you look at. The most evil is of course Catholicism. So I don't really think the repent on your deathbed would work, besides that, how many fucking people actually make it to the situation where they are in a deathbed just waiting for the grim reaper to take them? Also define this eternal bliss, it's very subjective, and fuck a life of piety by christian standards. I'm done with you, you're too much of a fucking christian lover and that blinds your thinking as to what other people would do, giving you a false belief that you can actually determine another human beings choices.

So you should just curl up somewhere and die. Then you could go enjoy your eternal bliss now.

See, maybe I'd concede if you people would give me better analogies.

Again, killing people and getting into heaven. Think about the difference yourself, ponder long and hard.

I'm not the idiot here. I'm just being honest.

Edit: the death bed comment was obviously tongue and cheek, hence the fucking smily face. Do I have to spell everything out for you?

Also, when you tell me I'm a moron, and that I should curl up in a ball and die, it's just a defence mechanism because you can't argue worth shit. Thanks for making me smile though.



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I could never be happy in a place where I have to worship some diety for all eternity for his bloated ego's sake. I think I'd rather stop existing.

Just so ya know, I believe our "soul" may survive death. I've heard reports of kids having memories of people who died decades ago, and of ghost hauntings. So... maybe we stick around for a while before reincarnating or something.