I would like to hear how many people on this particular forum can articulate a certain circumstance where the whole of their existential perspective seemed to finally slide into place.

In other words, describe the moment where, suddenly, either with or without inspiration from either a strictly religious or secular mentality, everything simultaneously started to make sense, in the most integral and influential interpretation of the word.

Kid, stop telling people I talk to you. I don't have time to whip up rainbows for your amusement--I have tsunamis to plan.

Sincerely,

God

I made a post awhile back about this moment for me...the revelation was that every single problem in my life was due to my reliance on others to fix shit for me, and that if I needed a life to suit me, I had to be responsible for every last aspect of it. Since then, I haven't been depressed, nor have I blamed my problems on anyone other than me...nor do I really have problems any more. It's hard to have a situation that fucks you over when you are the driving force behind every situation you encounter.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

I made a post awhile back about this moment for me...the revelation was that every single problem in my life was due to my reliance on others to fix shit for me, and that if I needed a life to suit me, I had to be responsible for every last aspect of it. Since then, I haven't been depressed, nor have I blamed my problems on anyone other than me...nor do I really have problems any more. It's hard to have a situation that fucks you over when you are the driving force behind every situation you encounter.

I had the same revelation while at Disney World. Seriously. I was depressed and decided that there was no God because He wouldn't let things like that, what was happening or not happening happen, and then I thought, "this is all my fault. Faith is good, but faith alone won't do anything."

LAY OF THE DRUGS.................

THERES ONLY ONE GOD AND THATS ME,MYSELF AND I!!!

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

I had the same revelation while at Disney World. Seriously. I was depressed and decided that there was no God because He wouldn't let things like that, what was happening or not happening happen, and then I thought, "this is all my fault. Faith is good, but faith alone won't do anything."

I was atheist long before my most life changing revelation. Losing my belief in deities was much less impacting to me than finding a way to trust myself enough with the entire responsibility of every action I ever take and have taken.

quote:Originally posted by Lokil:

Kid, stop telling people I talk to you. I don't have time to whip up rainbows for your amusement--I have tsunamis to plan.

Sincerely,

God



Like what? The dreadful TSUNOOBIE of yore? What a horrible god you are! *weeps uncontrollably and shakes my fist at the sky*

quote:Originally posted by blonde104:

LAY OF THE DRUGS.................

Sounds sexy.

As for me, I've had many revelations, some involving drugs, mostly not. Life is all about revelations to me, it's a constant personal evolution. I've had some profound, to me, one's lately, but I'm feeling a tad ill, and words escape me momentarily.

I've written a few essays on a couple of them, though I'm not sure if I feel like looking for them to post on totse.

Here is one such Essay:

Let me tell you how I awoke from my dogmatic slumber. Wandering and wondering through winding roads in whimsical astonishment. I was oblivious to just how significant this lonely walk would become as I lazily trotted on to my non-existent destination. Under a certain light it becomes easy to see that this pondering down an unknown path has altered my entire experiential process tantamount to my birth. The spiral of splendor and beauty in a seemingly infinite balance caught me completely off guard, and I hope that my words do not fail to articulate the sense of awe that struck me on that day.



The day began already important as it had been the completion of my G.E.D., and doors were beginning to open for me. This was, perhaps, the genesis of my conscious stream of contemplation. What I wasn’t aware of, however, is what ocean this stream would lead to. I was walking home from the testing area in the concrete casket of Atlantic City, and as I put more and more distance between me and this wasteland I began to notice such natural beauty around me. I looked around me to find people of various shapes, sizes, creeds, unknowingly entering my “world”. My consciousness’ perception of what is or isn’t in my theatre of being, what my sense had chance to react to, then leaving this “world” just as unknowingly as they had entered. Scurrying off to their own lives stuck in their own world.

Birds would cut through my world off onto their own accord as busy as the gravity that tried to pluck them from the sky. I would catch a glance of a flock of birds, flying collectively as almost a single-celled organism blobbing around from various locations. I would then focus on an individual bird out of the group and notice the extensively flamboyant route he would take from within that would go by unnoticed except when viewed intently. He would flap furiously upward only to stop all movement save to graciously glide onward, then suddenly dart in a blinding speed towards the bottom of the flock seemingly straying only to majestically catch wind in his wings once again and soar up to the front.

At this point my mind wandered incredibly far from what I previously conceived as tangible. My thoughts didn’t appear to be related to any of the thoughts or actions I was experiencing leading up to this train of thought. Perhaps it was due to the subtle changing of seasons that was currently underway, but I began to ponder things of this orbital nature.

Spring was upon me which delighted me, the glorious warmth that kissed my skin coupled with the soothing winds that caressed me in it’s fleeting embrace. The vibrant colors surrounding me almost had me convinced I was living in a masterpiece. I then remembered that soon the blistering heat of the summer would scorch away any memory of enjoying the warmth as the heat waves raising from the pavement would askew my view of nature’s figure. Creating an almost patronizing perception of what is beautiful and should be enjoyable. This thought was then trumped, however, by the realization that summer would be quickly followed by fall. With it’s cooling and mellowing capabilities breathtaking in it’s autumn clothes. A virtual fireworks display with positively stunning sun sets. My smile was then removed by the fact that winter would follow this and crush any pleasure caused by the cold. It’s choking grasp on nature would turn me lethargic to match the dark, freezing, lifeless face left on the Earth.

My thoughts focused on the balance of this and how beautiful it truly is when I came across a glorious tree. Far too often people see a tree and merely see a tree. My eye caught hold of all that makes up the tree. It’s regal bark and defining lines sprouting out into the chaotic collection of branches. Branches individually stunning and spreading out into an immeasurable amount of leaves each intimate with it’s intricacies. Individual and collective in the same moment, gorgeous for it’s life. I thought of all of this coming from a seed, a no-bigger-then-my-tooth seed. A seed that, probably, no one even took the time and care to plant and nurture it into life. That randomly fell into the ground, and by some stroke of luck received the correct ratio of warming light, nutrient rich soil, and water. Then I thought about my life.

My life was beginning to spread out reaching for new light yearning for the distance it would reach. The passion I felt for my future, however, paled in comparison to my love for the present. I found them to be almost one in the same the only difference being the story to tell. The pleasure in pure presence engulfed me and I became curious about the origins of this feeling. I thought about my thoughts spawned in natural reaction to my natural surroundings. Happiness was the only reasonable product such wonderful stimuli. Intensely connected to the moment becoming immensely wrapped up in all that is now and wonderful.

As I wandered through witnessing the world, and everyone’s various “worlds” within, flowing together the only thing I could do was fall in love with life. My anxiousness had subsided as I was overwhelmed with absolute bliss and gratefulness to be alive, to be able to experience, and to be able to be experienced. I could almost feel this energy flowing through me in relation to my environment, my past, my company, my actions, my emotion, and life in general.

I realized my thoughts, which make up my consciousness, were energy. All actions carried out by me were carried out through this energy traveling through me. Brain activity, activation of neurons and synapses sending various messages to express this brain activity. In essence “I” am this energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed so why should it be different when I die? I remembered my thoughts of an orbital nature, and came to understand life and death as a night and day complexity. Simplistic in nature and infinitely complex in it’s balancing execution.

I thought, perhaps, death was more an illusion and life was this energy of “I”. “I” being merely a part of this energy, the energy actually being existence itself in different frequencies. The physical containers with the consensus view of “living” are the expressions and product of this energy.

Existence became an infinite moment for me on this day. Fear creeps back in from time to time as is my inescapable human nature, but life took on a magnificent splendor that continues to reverberate through me. I remind myself of this passion of the moment, connected to all energy, and think to myself there’s no real need to worry. I also realized how much of life was going by with me absolutely oblivious to it’s existence. I was sleep walking through life concerned about things that have no real worth. Things that gave me no real pleasure, no joy. Now I realize that I can create passion, I can enjoy life’s moments, and to hell with what’s thought about that. It is that very day that brings me to today, and will take me to tomorrow. It is the day I awoke from my dogmatic slumber, and my soul took it’s first breath.

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I hate to be the "teenage druggie cool"; but I have had some of my most prevelant revelations on psychadelics.

This probably has a lot to do with the Buddhist goal of ego loss and mushrooms/LSD ego-shreading. It's like cheating, but it gives you this amazing taste of the compassion and love you feel for everything when you have zero ego.

I'll probably write a little something else later this Spring Break when I get a chance to do a full-day, 5 gram trip.

I think I wrote something half a year ago or so on one of my shroom trips, I'll try and dig it.

I was 12 or 13, and a pious little catholic. Not too far before confirmation. I was praying very hard for something. SOmething stupid, and mundane, like to have done well on a test. Something of that sort. And the phrase "God helps those who help themselves" sprung into my mind. And suddenly I understood. While a deity certainly could have made my multiple choice guesses correct, it shouldn't have been necessary. I should have studied harder, studied at all. ANd it expanded. Everything I could pray to God about, I could do myself. Never one to half-heartedly go about things, I carried it further. The only way I could consider myself worthy of such divine favor, would be to have strived hard enough to make it unnecessary.

I didn't need God. He had nothing to offer me but threats. I would make my own way, or perish trying.

That mindset persists now, and is a major factor in my new intrest in Asatru. It seems like the only faith that works that way.

quote:Originally posted by AngrySquirrel:



Like what? The dreadful TSUNOOBIE of yore? What a horrible god you are! *weeps uncontrollably and shakes my fist at the sky*

POINT AWARDED

quote:Originally posted by Lokil:

POINT AWARDED



OMG! 1UP7

Nerds reign supreme in all aspects of mundane life...

You should try so hard not to need God, but however hard you try you will still always need Him. You are not perfect.

It was when I truly decided to shutup and pay attention...

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I was able to pay attention to meditating long enough for it to actually get me anywhere only once. But, I know what you mean.

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

You should try so hard not to need God, but however hard you try you will still always need Him. You are not perfect.

Perfection is subjective...as I see it, I am perfect because I have met every one of my qualifiers for happiness, I have no shortcomings in my mind. Others may not see me as perfect, but then again, many don't see gods as perfect either...hence atheism.

When I realized atheism was getting boring and I needed something new. Even better, when I decided to actually do something about it.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

I made a post awhile back about this moment for me...the revelation was that every single problem in my life was due to my reliance on others to fix shit for me, and that if I needed a life to suit me, I had to be responsible for every last aspect of it. Since then, I haven't been depressed, nor have I blamed my problems on anyone other than me...nor do I really have problems any more. It's hard to have a situation that fucks you over when you are the driving force behind every situation you encounter.

So, your pivotal moment was when you turned 18 ?

*grins*

quote:Originally posted by AngrySquirrel:



Like what? The dreadful TSUNOOBIE of yore? What a horrible god you are! *weeps uncontrollably and shakes my fist at the sky*

*LMAO* !!!!!!!!!!

quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

I was 12 or 13, and a pious little catholic. Not too far before confirmation. I was praying very hard for something. SOmething stupid, and mundane, like to have done well on a test. Something of that sort. And the phrase "God helps those who help themselves" sprung into my mind. And suddenly I understood. While a deity certainly could have made my multiple choice guesses correct, it shouldn't have been necessary. I should have studied harder, studied at all. ANd it expanded. Everything I could pray to God about, I could do myself. Never one to half-heartedly go about things, I carried it further. The only way I could consider myself worthy of such divine favor, would be to have strived hard enough to make it unnecessary.

I didn't need God. He had nothing to offer me but threats. I would make my own way, or perish trying.

That mindset persists now, and is a major factor in my new intrest in Asatru. It seems like the only faith that works that way.

Your "silly" prayer should have opened your eyes to the fact that you needed to be more honest, as well as more open, about God's will in your life. You were doing nothing but thinking about yourself in that prayer...which will always be ineffective.

The adage "God helps those that help themselves" is a man-made quip, and shouldn't have superceded God's Book of Quips (A.K.A. The Bible), in my opinion. It seems that it suits you better to live by man's rules, rather than God's.

I think that perhaps you had a moment of "self-revelation", which will always get in the way of a relationship with God...thinking about yourself is exactly what God wants you to avoid.

Prayer wasn't intended for "asking God for what you want"...it is a tool to teach you reliance on Him, as well as to develop a fulfilling relationship.

If you never spoke to your spouse, your marriage wouldn't last long.

God uses the analogy of marriage often in the Bible. It signifies something purposeful, and full of meaning and reward for diligence to the relationship.

Jesus is the groom, and the churh is the bride, so the Bible says.

"First of all, I think it rather too broad a statement. The scripture indicates that God helps those who are His. "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." (Rom 8:28) This passage says that God helps those who love and obey him, but does not promise that help to those who would reject him. David recognized the same thing when he said "And the LORD shall help them, and deliver them: he shall deliver them from the wicked, and save them, because they trust in him." (Ps 37:40) In this light I would modify the old saying, to phrase it "God helps those who help themselves by trusting and obeying Him.

The other problem I have with the statement is that it makes it easy to push God out of the picture. If God helps those who help themselves, how much of what I accomplish is through my own effort, and how much through God's? Could I not say that I did most of the work, and God did just a little? From that there is but a short step to "God, I'll tell you when I need your help, but I can handle most, if not all, things myself." Part of Paul's argument in Romans 8 is that man could not do anything pertaining to salvation by himself. If it were so, then Jesus need not have died. (The same argument is made in the book of Hebrews.) So God indeed helps those who help themselves, but it is more like 99% on God's part and 1% on man's part. The grace of God can be pictured like a man standing at the foot of the Sears Tower in Chicago. Hard as he tries, he can only jump perhaps three feet high, but God's grace takes him from three feet above the sidewalk to the top of the tower. There is only so much we can do, and God does the rest.

" http://minuteswithmessiah.tripod.com/question/helpself.html

Anyway, don't mean to preach at ya...but I found your "revelation" to be profoundly sad.

I truly hope, for the greater good of yourself, that you realize how much He loves you, and misses you.

God bless.

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

You should try so hard not to need God, but however hard you try you will still always need Him. You are not perfect.

What does perfection have to do with this ?

I think it is more appropriate to consider God's grace and mercy, and how much we need them.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Perfection is subjective...as I see it, I am perfect because I have met every one of my qualifiers for happiness, I have no shortcomings in my mind.

Then you are arrogant, not perfect.

You are not the model for perfection for the whole universe, simply because you find yourself to be in your own mind.

Perhaps I should clarify. Digital, what do you get from your relationship with God? Emotional support? Strength? Serenity Countless little blessings? The whole point of my "revelation", such as it were, was that I would accept nothing God could offer me. I would succeed or fail at life and beyond by my own merit, not because Jesus carried me there. And at that point, when God has nothing left to offer you but the threat of eternal damnation, it's not that hard to metaphorically flip him off and turn your back on him. If he's going to damn me, fine. I'm damned. But I won't betray everything I do believe in for a shot at the Christian salvation. Virtue aside, it doesn't really appeal to me anyway.

What? No religious retort regarding my revelation, digi?

5 posts in a row.

Fucking incredible.

Digital Whatever,

HOLY SHIT! I've tried to stay silent but I am no longer physically able! What is your deal? You have good intentions I suppose, but for fucksake . . . everytime someone puts there opinion under any topic in the entire 'religion' category, you tell them how wrong they are. Do you get off on that? I read in one of the posts above that according to you, the saviour of all the Totsians, the last thing God wants us to do is think about ourselves!? What a crock of frothy cow shit! Quit just telling everyone how wrong THEY are and extract some insight from OTHER PEOPLE'S perspectives.

Zeal without wisdom is worthless and counterproductive.

-Abra

What insight would you offer that would negate that claim aside from declaring it 'a crock of frothy cow shit'?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

So, your pivotal moment was when you turned 18 ?

*grins*

Yeah, condescension...real Christian of you.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Then you are arrogant, not perfect.

You are not the model for perfection for the whole universe, simply because you find yourself to be in your own mind.

I never said I am the model of perfection. And I've admitted many times that I'm arrogant, and I think I have the right to be. I think it's a shame that you follow a god that demeans you as less than perfect.

What about you Tyrant? Obviously you had to have some reason to make this thread. I'm curious, at least.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Yeah, condescension...real Christian of you.

Once again, much is lost in translation.

It wasn't actually condescension, but hey...take it however you want. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

Perhaps I should clarify. Digital, what do you get from your relationship with God? Emotional support? Strength? Serenity Countless little blessings? The whole point of my "revelation", such as it were, was that I would accept nothing God could offer me. I would succeed or fail at life and beyond by my own merit, not because Jesus carried me there. And at that point, when God has nothing left to offer you but the threat of eternal damnation, it's not that hard to metaphorically flip him off and turn your back on him. If he's going to damn me, fine. I'm damned. But I won't betray everything I do believe in for a shot at the Christian salvation. Virtue aside, it doesn't really appeal to me anyway.

What makes you think you don't need what God has to offer ?

Are you:

- Too good ?

- Too smart ?

- Too perfect ?

- Too justified ?

What exactly is it ?

I am sure you remember that the Bible says "our works are as filthy rags". If you believe that God exists, which it sounds like you do, then you should (in turn) believe that He inspired the Bible.

If you believe that, then you cannot pick and choose which scriptures apply to us as humans. It all does.

If that is the case, then nothing you could do of your own accord, strength, or wisdom will gain you anything.

God does not threaten us with eternal damnation...we threaten ourselves. In fact, we condemn ourselves.

God designed us to be with Him forever, and He doesn't want to see ANY of us go to Hell.

However, every good parent enforces the ideal of "consequence for actions.", right ?

"Christian salvation" ? You are supposing that the egg came before the chicken with that phrase.

Salvation through Christ's death produced the entrance of "Christianity" into the world of man.

That is the conclusion I come to as a Christian. It goes without saying that outside of my faith, this cannot be agreed with.

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

What? No religious retort regarding my revelation, digi?

*LAUGHS*

What, you want one ?

Nah...you're cool. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Fuck:

5 posts in a row.

Fucking incredible.

Incredible that I gave everyone their due response ?

How should I respond so as not to offend you in the future ?

http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

I never said I am the model of perfection. And I've admitted many times that I'm arrogant, and I think I have the right to be. I think it's a shame that you follow a god that demeans you as less than perfect.

You said that for "you", you are the model of perfection.

That is pretty damn convenient for YOU, seeing as how you are the only person voting.

God sets the bar for perfection, not humans.

We are the CREATED, remember ?

It's not sad. It's the order of things...and when you stop thinking your poo doesn't stink, you will be ten times the person you are now.

quote:Originally posted by Cadabra:

Digital Whatever,

HOLY SHIT! I've tried to stay silent but I am no longer physically able! What is your deal? You have good intentions I suppose, but for fucksake . . . everytime someone puts there opinion under any topic in the entire 'religion' category, you tell them how wrong they are. Do you get off on that? I read in one of the posts above that according to you, the saviour of all the Totsians, the last thing God wants us to do is think about ourselves!? What a crock of frothy cow shit! Quit just telling everyone how wrong THEY are and extract some insight from OTHER PEOPLE'S perspectives.

Zeal without wisdom is worthless and counterproductive.

-Abra



What is my deal ? How about: TRYING TO PRESENT THE TRUTH ? Was it that unrecognizable ?

Everytime I post my "Christian" opinion, I am told how wrong I am too...what is good for the goose SHOULD be good for the gander.

I don't find anything I have said to be out of context for this forum. It is for RELIGTIOUS DEBATE, and that is what I participate in.

Simply because I stand on Christian principles, I am found to be out of line and offensive.

It has nothing to do with my approach, since I can name about 10 people right off the top of my head that are far more offensive than I am here on MGCBTSOOYG.

You have misunderstood my screen name, which is not surprising...of course you would "assume" it to be out of arrogance, instead of, oh...perhaps a metaphor ?

I am Christian, and therefore I am out to get everyone !

My sole purpose is to be better than everyone else, even in my own hypocrisy, right ?

Your last comment comes from the viewpoint that I couldn't have possibly thought about anything else in my lifetime except Christianity.

Have you any idea how I came to be one ? Do you know what I did with my life spiritually PRIOR to my conversion ?

You haven't the foggiest, so please don't try and beat me over the head with such useless banter.

I obviously struck a nerve...perhaps you should spend less time hating ME, and more time reflecting on yourself.

Got a 1/4 of cubes for Friday. I shall return with messages.

When I was 16 I realized that I am not special in the eyes of god. That in all reality god probably isn't anymore aware of me than I am of a single hair on the nape of my neck. That if god does exist, he probably isn't hung up on whether or not I had a white wedding, two point five children, never swore, never stole, never lied. He's probably on a higher level than all that. That that's just propaganda people use to keep other people in line and that's not neccisarily a bad thing, but no one is going to tow the line all the time and that's okay.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

You said that for "you", you are the model of perfection.

That is pretty damn convenient for YOU, seeing as how you are the only person voting.

God sets the bar for perfection, not humans.

We are the CREATED, remember ?

It's not sad. It's the order of things...and when you stop thinking your poo doesn't stink, you will be ten times the person you are now.

It makes no sense to use someone who I don't see loving their life quite like I do as my model of perfection; I'm content, I'm joyous, and I treat both myself and the people around me with respect and honor...that's perfection to me, and since I've reached that I don't need a different model of perfection.

The self SHOULD be the model of perfection...determine what would make you exactly what you desire, reach it, and be happy. Sure, my thinking is the antithesis to buddhism and monotheism...hell, it's the antithesis to most philosophy because it's purely selfish on the surface, but it's arrived at due to altruistic intents (in my case, not burdening others with my problems when I could easily solve my own).

Also, nothing but our own mind sets the bar for perfection...sure we may take on the perfection that the Bible denotes, and always fall short, living with guilt and a deep-seeded self-loathing that we like to mask with ignorance and blessings...but I find it much more viable to find my own bar for perfection and then strive towards that. And just to clarify, I have no anger or hatred towards the Bible...I just think it's unhealthy to use somebody else's definition of perfection as your own...it leads to psychosis in many cases and severe depression in almost all cases (Look at eating disorders if you're unsure what I mean exactly).

I meant with "Christian salvation" merely to clarify what I was talking about, namely the heaven described in the Bible.

And again, I think I must have explained poorly.

From the CHristian point of view, I, as a human beinbg, am essentially without worth. Sure Jesus loves me, but nothing I can do on my own, will ever amount to anything?

Fuck that. And fuck any God who strips me of everything except him.

My revelation was that the only way I could feel worthy of the grace of God, was to strive so hard I didn't need it. Essentially, yes. I am denying what you just said about the debasement of humanity. I will attain strength and wisdom of my own accord. ANd if God isn't cool with that, fuck him.

And God does threaten us. The simple fact that he judges is threatens us. If we don't live as he wants us to, he will punish us. The judge may not like the sentence, but the verdict is clear.

SurahAhriman:

I've actually made a few attempts to reconcile my experiencing it with my talking about it... but I'll allow for a taste of hypocrisy. (How was your spring break, by the way?)

I was looking at the sun one day, and I began to see the light that emanated from it not as straight beams of light, but as waves that encircled it, whirl-pooling ******ds, and extending across my field of vision, like a two-dimensional object bathing a three-dimensional world in its waves of warmth.

I began to think about the circle of life, and about how dualism ultimately emerges from the same non-verbal form.

Life yields to death. Death yields to life.

Autumn decays summer. Spring resurrects winter.

Conflict nurtures innovation. Luxury hosts sloth.

The ages of the world cycle from the highest age of spiritual prosperity and harmonious balance to the most decadent and depraved epoch in history - only to collapse upon itself and provide fertile ground for a new age of prosperity and balance to emerge.

Loving something means hating another. Hating something means loving another.

No matter how far out any form of energy extends, it always retracts and provides a reciprocal effect... but everything ultimately returns to the same pivotal point.

That pivotal point is a circle (which I envisioned as the smallest piece of the tiniest atom at the absolute center of the sun) that has no circumference. It is a hole that has no mass, yet does not lack. It is a sermon without words. It is a knowing without believing, that everything in the world obeys this specific law - that all things return from what they once were.

Upon typing this, I observe a ring I wear on my left middle finger. It has Norse runes enscribed on its side that translate to "That Which Once Was." Its meaning originally had nothing to do with this experience, but now I see that it can encompass such a meaning, and, verily, it thus has meaning beyond what I currently understand - and what I may ever understand.

Even in my ignorance, I return to enlightenment.

Having recognised the pleasure and the suffering as equal, the gain and the loss, the victory and the defeat, prepare for the combat; thus you will not commit any sin.

-Bhagavad-Gita, II-38

[EDIT: I'm at the public library, and apparently it has a problem with the word '******ds.']

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What the fuck?

O U T W A R D S

HEX:

That was a very respectable post. Thank you.

I will reply to it when I am not so exhausted that I would be wasting your time.

It is nice to "understand" you, finally.



God bless.

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

What the fuck?

O U T W A R D S

We had to put in an automatic redaction script to edit out the word o*utwar, because it is the name of a fad linking game that leads to forum flooding. We also edit out g*oatse and t*ubgirl for similar reasons.

i was about 15 playing russian roulet when it all came 2 me in the distance between a blink and a tear that this world has a problem and the problem is it's run by idiot's that believe a shiny piece of metal is more valuable than human life and that and that if there was a god he would of erased this world long time ago and started over cause if he is all knowing all powerful all everything then he has 2 know this world this race is doomed 4 failure and that the humand will tear this world apart and then kill thereselve's there's only one thing that will stop this from happening well 2 actually and that's either god coming back r something so horrible happening 2 the human race that it bring the population down 2 a couple of hundred then and only then would we b able 2 learn 2 love our brother and not a shiny piece of metal and learn that there r greater thing's in life and that honestly if we truly do treat our fellow brother's and sister's the way we want 2 b treated this world will b livable and then i pulled the trigger and well i'm still here