Well let me start out by telling you about how from untill i was 19 and moved out i was FORCED to attend church every sunday. So I think it may be a freedom thing but i've been reading about it alot and it seems like me. I dont know... anybody else have any thoughts on this or anything?

you were forced to attend church? what denomination?

If you value nothing in life, then kill yourself.

That's my only advice.

Otherwise you are wasting everyone elses time and money.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

If you value nothing in life, then kill yourself.

That's my only advice.

Otherwise you are wasting everyone elses time and money.



I would rather not give that kind of advice. Instead I would let him take his spiritual journey. Everyone has to take it and weigh the deeper ideas of truths, half truths, myths and lies in this world and measure it with reality. It's only when a philosophy meshes with reality it is given any kind of credibility.

The ideas of a baseless value system and anti-foundationalism can not be sustained as it requires someone to be self-centered, destructive and counter productive to a community as a whole.

The natural response to a dangerous entity in a community is to contain it or get rid of it.

You see, Nihilism to a community is like poison to a well. If a person is unable to conform to the value system of the community then they will naturally be shunned or made insignificant. It's human nature. They will alwasy be the last one picked for the playground baseball game.

On the other hand if you have a community of Nihilists then you'll just have a bunch of people always disagreeing with each other...doesn't make much sense to me.

"Ve are nihilists Lebowski! We believe in nothing!"

Seriously though. It does seem like a freedom type thing. If you're really interested in these kinda things, take some time and look into some other religions and belief systems.

Just an observation, but a nihilist isnt something you go around being. That was the lebowski joke. Its more a "state" that is more or less present in both cultures and individuals. The term "nihilism" is a misnomer because it implies an ideology. Nihilism is not an ideology, it is an antithesis to all ideologies, including itself, least of all. Its a self contradictory term.

It seems you are talking more descriptively than intentfully, so thats cool. Just thought id add my 2cents.

quote:Originally posted by aTribeCalledSean:

If you value nothing in life, then kill yourself.

That's my only advice.

Otherwise you are wasting everyone elses time and money.



I'm curious to know how valuing nothing in life would waste everyone's time and money? On a side note, if you judge value of life in terms of time and money perhaps you should heed your own advice.

bl

quote:Originally posted by X_Odin_X:

Well let me start out by telling you about how from untill i was 19 and moved out i was FORCED to attend church every sunday. So I think it may be a freedom thing but i've been reading about it alot and it seems like me. I dont know... anybody else have any thoughts on this or anything?

I was raised in a similar situation. Everyone in our family had to be in church Sunday morning. There was even a large period of my childhood where I was only allowed to listen to Christian music. I had to hide any "secular" music and face serious consequences if I was caught listening to it. Then when I grew older and moved out I found myself sick of it all. I hated Christian music with a passion. I read up on Eastern philosophy and the like and found it very interesting.

Then I slowly started going back to church, slowly started to read the Bible again. Only this time around I read it after reading some of the Eastern philosophies and found that the being that is God, the concept of sin and forgivness, made alot more sense to me. I look at Christianity very different from alot of people, but I like it more than I thought I ever would.

I'd say it is just a stage. You will feel for a while that you just don't give a fuck. But eventually you do begin to ponder what life is, what your life is. I guess the best advice I can offer is don't slip into the "I'm a Nihilist/I'm going to be blatantly ignorant of everything religious just because I don't want to care anymore" mode. Let your curiousity and your conscience guide you.

quote:Originally posted by Elephantitis Man:

I was raised in a similar situation. Everyone in our family had to be in church Sunday morning. There was even a large period of my childhood where I was only allowed to listen to Christian music. I had to hide any "secular" music and face serious consequences if I was caught listening to it. Then when I grew older and moved out I found myself sick of it all. I hated Christian music with a passion. I read up on Eastern philosophy and the like and found it very interesting.

Then I slowly started going back to church, slowly started to read the Bible again. Only this time around I read it after reading some of the Eastern philosophies and found that the being that is God, the concept of sin and forgivness, made alot more sense to me. I look at Christianity very different from alot of people, but I like it more than I thought I ever would.

I'd say it is just a stage. You will feel for a while that you just don't give a fuck. But eventually you do begin to ponder what life is, what your life is. I guess the best advice I can offer is don't slip into the "I'm a Nihilist/I'm going to be blatantly ignorant of everything religious just because I don't want to care anymore" mode. Let your curiousity and your conscience guide you.

Thank you that sounds like good advice

Ignorant:



I'm curious to know how valuing nothing in life would waste everyone's time and money? On a side note, if you judge value of life in terms of time and money perhaps you should heed your own advice.

bl

That's not how he's judging life; that's just commenting that the principle of nihilism - of having no purpose - ultimately results, in its final manifestation, in suicide.

Im always curious how much all of this is a reaction against their parents...

You know, forced to go to church, read up on easter religions, family with a strong religious framework, ooooh Im gonna be a Nihilist!

I mean no offence, I mean hell, I spent a lot of time playing around with the occult when I was 14, I just think its important you realise that you havent reached where your going, your just taking the first steps on the road http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)