shouldn't all true christians want to die? i mean, i do alot of things that might make me look like a bad person to somebody looking in from the outside, but there isn't any evil behind my motives. i do alot of things to make enemies. i geuss in hopes of them killing me. i havn't left the house since i was around 15 without a gun. and it's not because im afraid to die, it's just because i dont want to die like a coward. if i have a chance to shoot back, i will. i've thought of killing myself, and came close when i was younger, but didn't because i thought i would go to hell if i did. i've been wanting to die since i was around 14-15. from what i hear, getting shot doesn't hurt, so whats to be afraid of? it's just blood quits pumping to your brain, and you pass out. and i believe i'll go to heaven, because god understands the reasons i do some of the things that could be looked at as evil. and if i go to hell, it's no use trying to put something off another 60 years, when it'll last an eternity. i mean whats 60 years to eternaty? and if god isn't real, i would rather just rest than suffer anymore in life. life is supposed to be a test for everybody, so i geuss it's not easy on anybody, its a test to see if you can keep faith in god. i feel my body is just a prison. why would any christian value life? and even an athiest, or somebody who thinks he's going to hell, look at it like i do, like it's no use putting the shit off, all you can do is ask for forgiveness, and if it doesn't work, oh well, it's no use, you've committed your sins, and you cant take them back. so tell me, if so many americans are christians, why are so many afraid to die?

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I consider myself a Christian, and I certainly dont fear death. Not to try and make myself sound 'tough' or anything, but I believe death is something to celebrate.

I wouldnt do anything to bring it prematurely, but I wouldnt try to put it off either. When it comes I will gladly accept it, and have bright hopes for the here-after.

I hope I can do as much as I can while I'm here, to help as many people on their way as I can. If their way is of the Tao, good for them. Catholic? Pagan? Wiccan? Episcopalian? Sufi? Buddhist? Mormon? Excellent. Let's all be mature enough to do so, and wish all of our fellow human beings well on their own spiritual path. Judgement day will come around - given - but it's not our place to judge. That's God's job, we're just here to 1. Love our God with all of our mind might heart and strength. and 2. Love our fellow man - regardless his religious orientation, athiests included - as ourself.

When death comes around, I really dont think it will be all that bad. Personally I would like to be burnt at the stake, in homage to all of our fellow Christians who've met the same fate. I mean seriously, 5 minutes of pain max. I would actually see it as an honor. After that, you pass over planes, and then get oriented in the way of the afterlife. (or re-oriented rather) Doesnt seem to bad to me http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Happy Monday,



-Uncle Rusty

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An interesting topic http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

I consider myself a Christian, and I certainly dont fear death. Not to try and make myself sound 'tough' or anything, but I believe death is something to celebrate.

I wouldnt do anything to bring it prematurely, but I wouldnt try to put it off either. When it comes I will gladly accept it, and have bright hopes for the here-after.

I hope I can do as much as I can while I'm here, to help as many people on their way as I can. If their way is of the Tao, good for them. Catholic? Pagan? Wiccan? Episcopalian? Sufi? Buddhist? Mormon? Excellent. Let's all be mature enough to do so, and wish all of our fellow human beings well on their own spiritual path. Judgement day will come around - given - but it's not our place to judge. That's God's job, we're just here to 1. Love our God with all of our mind might heart and strength. and 2. Love our fellow man - regardless his religious orientation, athiests included - as ourself.

When death comes around, I really dont think it will be all that bad. Personally I would like to be burnt at the stake, in homage to all of our fellow Christians who've met the same fate. I mean seriously, 5 minutes of pain max. I would actually see it as an honor. After that, you pass over planes, and then get oriented in the way of the afterlife. (or re-oriented rather) Doesnt seem to bad to me http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Happy Monday,



-Uncle Rusty

Indeed. But burning at the stake?

I guess i see it as they were burned because they got caught. Lots of others didnt die. That sounds selfish, and it is, but you get my point. Also, i DONT want to be dragged untill nothing was left ala Mark

quote:Originally posted by ace86:

...i mean, i do alot of things that might make me look like a bad person to somebody looking in from the outside, but there isn't any evil behind my motives...

... but didn't because i thought i would go to hell if i did...

... and i believe i'll go to heaven, because god understands the reasons i do some of the things that could be looked at as evil...

...life is supposed to be a test for everybody, so i geuss it's not easy on anybody, its a test to see if you can keep faith in god...

... all you can do is ask for forgiveness,

This is an article from a book i've been reading. It's more than just food for thought:

With what you said, concider this:

It is true that numerous Bible verse speak of the promise of salvation with no mention of repentance. These verses merely say to "believe" on Jesus Christ and you shall be saved (Acts 16:31; Romans 10:9). However, the Bible makes it clear that God is holy and man is sinful, and that sin makes a seperation between the two (Isaiah 59:1,2). Without repentance from sin, wicked men cannot have fellowship with a holy God. We are dead in our trespasses and sins (Ephesians 2:1) and until we forsake tham through repentance, we cannot be made alive in Christ. The Scriptures speak of "repentance unto life" (Acts 11:18). We turn from[/] sin [i]to the Savior. This is why Paul preached "repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ" (Acts 20:21)

The first public word Jesus preached was "repent" (Matthew 4:17). John the Baptist began his ministry the same way (Matthew 3:2). Jesus told His hearers that without repentance, they would perish (Luke 13:3). If belief is all that is necessary for salvation, then the logical conclusion is that one need never repent. However, the Bible tells us that a false convert "believes" and yet is not saved (Luke 8:13); he remains a "worker of iniquity." Look at the warning of Scripture: "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth" (1 John 1:6). The Scriptures also say, "He that covers his sins shall not prosper, but whoso confesses and forsakes them [repentance] shall have mercy" (Proverbs 28:13), Jesus said that there was joy in heaven over one sinner who "repents" (Luke 15:10). If there is no repentance, there is no joy because there is no salvation.

As Peter preached on the Day of Pentecost, he commanded his hearers to repent "for the remission of sins" (Acts 2:38). Without repentance, there is no remission of sins; we are still under God's wrath. Peter furthar said, "Repent... and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3:19). We cannot be "converted" unless we repent. God Himself "commands ALL men EVERYWHERE [leaving no exceptions] to repent" (Acts 17:30). Peter said a similar thing at Pentecost: "Repent, and be baptized every one of you" (Acts 2:38).

If repentance wasn't necessary for salvation, why than did Jesus command that repentance be preached to all nations (Luke 24:47)? With so many Scriptures speaking of the necessity of repentance for salvation, one can only suspect that those who preach salvation without repentance are strangers to repentance themselves, and thus strangers to true conversion.



Now, reguarding the topic, if you are not saved yet, please dont get yourself killed... either by suicide or anyother way!!

If you are saved, share the truth of your salvation, so that others may also be saved!!

I understand where you're coming from. In a basic sense my feelings are very similiar. In my personal belief, I believe that we all know - deep down - whether or not we are good people and we believe in an after life or we don't. We all have some concept of it. And I believe whatever we think will happen to us will happen. If you don't believe in an afterlife, you'll flicker out like a candel flame, if you know you were a good person and you believe in heaven, you'll go to the heaven you imagined that. Etc...

And though, I've been shot before. It depends on where you are shot. Shot in the head, in the right spot, with the right impact, it one thing, being shot in the leg and slowly bleeding and being lead poisoned to death is another. Currently I don't fear death more than I fear a trip to the doctors. It is something unpleasant and inevitable that I have complete faith I will withstand. But, it isn't anything I'm looking foreward to.

People are afraid of death because they haven't lived. That's what I think.

Cheers,

Lost

Well, you can have faith that there is no form of god in our existence, or you can believe that there is.

Only these two beliefs change anything in our lives (regarding death).

Since there is no irrefutable evidence of either, it is up to perception and desire.

yeah, everybodies life is hard, thats what i believe life is. punishment for our faults, and a test to see if we can keep faith in god. im not saying im going to heaven, but im saying i've done everything i can to be forgiven, and if im going, im going. and something else i believe is if you misinterprit the bible, and it causes you to do something that god wouldn't agree with, i believe as long as you believe this 100% and you not just doing it because you want to, i believe you get to heaven.

for instance, if somehow i read the bible, and thought it was saying i should go shoot up a daycare, i wouldn't be punished. but nobody could really get that out of the bible. and im not talking about wanting to go out and commit sins, and you frantically search the bible to justify it, it's something totally different.

xtreem, i've saved myself. i dont think i need to conform to society, and go to church to do everything. i mean you dont need a pastor to ask jesus to be in your heart.

lost, i know one person who got shot, and he's dead. but if you get shot with a jacketed hollow point, or fmj handgun caliber, 3 or 4 times, you'll be losing so much blood, you'll die before you can hurt. it only hurts when you go go to the hospital and try to stop it. most people who have been shot dont even realize it till the adreniline wears off, and they realize their shirt is wet from blood. exit wounds lose alot of blood no matter where your hit. and for every shot, you have 2 holes losing alot of blood, you'll fade out before you suffer.

No. I want to live for as long as possable.

There are preachers of death: and the earth is full of those to whom renunciation of life must be preached...

They have not yet become men, those terrible ones: may they preach renunciation of life, and pass away themselves!

There are the spiritually consumptive ones: hardly are they born when they begin to die, and long for doctrines of weariness and renunciation.

They would rather be dead, and we should welcome their wish! Let us beware of awakening those dead ones, and of damaging those living coffins!

They meet an invalid, or an old man, or a corpse - and immediately they say: "Life is refuted!"

But only they are refuted, and their eye, which sees only one facet of existence.

Shrouded in thick melancholy, and eager for the little casualties that bring death: thus do they wait, ad clensh their teeth.

Or else, they grasp and sweetmeats while mocking their childishness: they cling to their straw of life, and mock at their clining.

Their wisdom speaks thus: "He who remains alive is a fool; but we are all such fools! And taht is the most foolish thing in life!"

"Life is only suffering": say others, and do not lie. Then see to it that you cease! See to it that the life which is only suffering ceases!

And let this be the teaching of your virtue: "Thou shalt kill thyself! thou shalt steal away from thy life!"

...Everywhere resounds the voices of those who preach death; and the earth is full of those to whom death must be preached.

Or "life eternal"; it is all the same to me - if only they pass away quickly!

Thus spake Zarathustra.