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LostCause
2005-04-06, 13:57
Now the LORD had said unto Abrah,, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

What does "shew" mean and why is he exiling him?

2. And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and tou shalt be a blessing:

3. And I will bless hthem that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee; and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

4. So Abram, departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him; and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

5. And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substarice that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran: and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan: and into the land of Canaan they came.

What souls?

6. And Abram passed though the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.

Isn't a Canaanite a person from Canaan? Are they talking about someone buried in the ground?

7. And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an alter unto the LORD, who appeared to him.

I wonder how the lord appeared to him.

8. And he removed from thence unto a mountain on the earth of Bethel, and pitched his tent, having Bethel on the west, and Hai on the east; and the he builded an altar unto the LORD, and called upon the name of the LORD.

9. And Abram journeyed, going on still toward the south.

Why towards the south?

10. And there was a famine in the land and Abram went down into Egypt to sojourn there; for the famine was grievous of the land.

11. And it came to pass, when he was come near to enter into Egypt, that he said unto Sarai his wife, Behold now, I know that thou art a fair woman to look upon.

12. Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptains shall see thee, that they shall say, This is his wife: and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive.

In 12 it sounds like he's saying he thinks the Egyptians are going to kill him to get his wife, because she's pretty and they will spare her.

13. Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake: and my soul shall live because of thee.

14. And it came to pass, that, when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians beheld the woman that she was very fair.

15. The princess also of Pharoah saw her, and commended her before Pharoah, and the woman was taken into Pharoah's house.

The princess of the pharoah also thinks she's very pretty and they take her into the pharoah's house.

16. And he entreated Abram well for her sake, and he had sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and maidservants, and she asses, and camels.

So, Abram goes to the pharoah, with his wife. The pharoah thinks she's so beautiful he takes her "aside" and suddenly they mention all the pharoahs asset? I wonder what this entails. *sarcasm* Sounds like Abram just pimped out his wife.

17. And the LORD plagued Pharoah and his house with great plagues, because of Sarai, Abram's wife.

Why would god plague the pharoah? Why not Abram or Sarai?

18. And Pharoah called Abram, and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?

Here the pharoah seems to show remorse for... perhaps - fucking Abrams wife? And the story gets wierder... So Abram just walked in, made his wife out to be some ho, pimped her out to the pharoah for a bunch of stuff, and then the pharoah finds out that's his wife and feels bad for what's been done. So far the pharoah seems to be the only half way decent character in this story.

19. Why saidth thou, She is my sister? So I might have taken her to me to wife: now, therefore, behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.

I interpret this differently now. I was drunk before. It looks like the pharoah is pretty ticked off and disgusted with Abram for lying to him about Sarai's status and he's telling them to leave.

20. And Pharoah commanded his men concerning him: and they sent him away.

Abram and Sarai are kicked out.

Edit: Revision. I have to stop posting while drunk.

Cheers,

Lost

[This message has been edited by LostCause (edited 04-06-2005).]

R_I
2005-04-06, 21:07
LostCause:

Just really quickly:

This seems to entail the pharoah feels so bad about what he's done he trades his wife for Abrams. That doesn't make either one of them look very good.

No, I don't think so. The passage there only refers to Abram's wife. "Thy wife" would be Abram's wife as the pharoah is talking to him.

tsunami
2005-04-08, 02:05
unto a land that I will shew thee:

onto a land that I will show you:

ArgonPlasma2000
2005-04-08, 02:54
^^^ actually in the translation you provided, its still "unto' http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

But yes, shew=show most of the time

What Souls?

I would have to look up the Hebrew word there but its obvious he isnt the grim reaper and it means people :razz:

Isn't a Canaanite a person from Canaan? Are they talking about someone buried in the ground?

They are talking about the tribe. Like "the Apache live in this part of the country"

I wonder how the lord appeared to him.

Well youd again have t lok up the Hebrew word to really say whether the Lord appeared to him physically or in some sort of vision, butthats just knitpicking http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Why towards the south?

Duh! He was going towards the land God was going to show him! silly :razz:

Look up Ur, i think its in Iraq/Iran, and they are north of Israel (as far as i remember, its been a while since world geography)

In 12 it sounds like he's saying he thinks the Egyptians are going to kill him to get his wife, because she's pretty and they will spare her.

Yes, evidently she was a very hot bitch in the sight of Pharaoh, and whatever Pharaoh wants, he gets!

So they would kill him and then marry his wife.

So, Abram goes to the pharoah, with his wife. The pharoah thinks she's so beautiful he takes her "aside" and suddenly they mention all the pharoahs asset? I wonder what this entails. *sarcasm* Sounds like Abram just pimped out his wife.

Well i dont think a man righteous as Abram would allow the Pharaoh to have his way with her. At least he would have put up a fight.

Why would god plague the pharoah? Why not Abram or Sarai?

Taking into account that the land God was going to show them was Isreal, and they were in Egypt, and what pharaoh does next, God was trying to get them to leave Egypt and go where he originally wanted them to go.

Here the pharoah seems to show remorse for... perhaps - fucking Abrams wife? And the story gets wierder... So Abram just walked in, made his wife out to be some ho, pimped her out to the pharoah for a bunch of stuff, and then the pharoah finds out that's his wife and feels bad for what's been done. So far the pharoah seems to be the only half way decent character in this story.

Well maybe he was "plagued" with guilt from what he was going to do? Possibly he had some moral standard about him pertaining to marriage. Sarrai tells pharaoh that she is Abrams wife and he calls it off.

But Abrams initial response when they got to Pharaoh was that he assumed they would kill him for his wife (based on Egypts conquest history), so he lied...

I interpret this differently now. I was drunk before. It looks like the pharoah is pretty ticked off and disgusted with Abram for lying to him about Sarai's status and he's telling them to leave.

yep http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

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But i do wonder why you are posting these passages. Are you interested in learning what they mean because you might be thinking of converting, or just for informational purposes? http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

LostCause
2005-04-09, 22:23
quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

But i do wonder why you are posting these passages. Are you interested in learning what they mean because you might be thinking of converting, or just for informational purposes? http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Just for informational purposes.

Cheers,

Lost

AsylumSeaker
2005-04-09, 23:29
Perhaps he meant shewing as one might shoo birds or rodents away.