Firstly I will start with stating, I am an atheist and probably always will be. I am not the sort of person to just trash any religion. I am generally a nice guy.

My question is why do so many people seem to hate religion? I do not believe in a God, yet (nearly) all religions teach people to be 'nice' people, and I believe these people are better of for it. If you think abut the bible, it is just basically a handbook on how to be a reasonably nice person and to lead a positive life. Even if people take things like the bible literally, they are still generally better people because of it.

Buddhists, are mostly christians - god, and they are just plainly good people.

So I put my question to you totse, why must people just trash religion?

I only bash on the people like my mom who are total hippocrits.

I like you am atheist and do not have a problem with belief in a god or the fundamental principles of most religions which tend to be to help one and other.

However i do believe that some religion can become a bad thing for the world when it becomes organised not because of the idea or the belief but because of the human flaws of the people in power who control it.

Having said that, this doesnt always happen.

Im sure there are many examples of organised religions which are totaly pure and non-corrupt.

People who belive in religon are to weak to accept the fact that death is forever....

also, any one stupid enough to belive that invisible being(s) rule over and guide humanity desirves to be killed...

religions are bedtime stories for the ignorant....

in the end everything will burn

people can belive what they want, no matter what a total load it is. im fine with that and won't kick up a fuss.

but certain people and certain religions seem to get off on "saving" people, and harass me trying to get them into thier club. that pisses me off heaps and puts me on the offensive.

also, some religions have an extremely negative impact on everyday life. like the chemist that won't sell the morning after pills resulting in fucked up unwanted kids, or the church saying that condoms do nothing against aids, causing people to not use them in africa.

the way that god is used to justify so many wars that are inexcusable otherwise.

and thats not including my own personal experiences with religion (the catholic chuch can burn in hell).

"If you think abut the bible, it is just basically a handbook on how to be a reasonably nice person and to lead a positive life."

sit down and read the bible. its a book of obscure and meaningless sentences which makes no points at all that are not contradicted on the next page. if you were to take it literally then you would be a pretty strange and fucked up guy.



"Buddhists, are mostly christians - god, and they are just plainly good people."

??????

buddhists are not christians. what are you on about?

relion holds people back, and more importantly makes them stupid. they give up searching for thier own meanings, being perfectly happy to take it out of a book. if they are still not happy then they decide they are not reading the book properly. it never occurs to them that the book is just bullshit, written by gullible lunatics.

"Im sure there are many examples of organised religions which are totaly pure and non-corrupt."

no, there isn't.

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quote:Originally posted by Finis:



in the end everything will burn

You forgot to say "Hail Satan".

quote:Originally posted by RAOVQ:

"Buddhists, are mostly christians - god, and they are just plainly good people."

??????

buddhists are not christians. what are you on about?





By that I mean it is all the same sort of principles just without god.

My point is that believing in a religion won't hurt you, and can only be positive (normally anyway), so there is no point in trashing it just because you believe their is no god.

I agree with what you are saying about organised religion, but there always have and will be a flaw in everything.

I'm an atheist, and I have no problem with people practicing their respective religions, so long as they don't tread on me.

But religious fools do tread on me, listen:

Christianity, among many other religions, stands in direct opposition to human progress. As a fervid eugenicist and an advocate of the destruction of human nature through genetic manipulation, I can't tolerate religion merging with the law, at all. With religion, life and human nature are often vested with special rights. These rights, in my opinion, are occasionally unjustified, and harmful. Theology frustrates me, because I believe we'd be a more progressive and happier civilization without it.

Furthermore, the Church and state do coincide, whether we like to believe it or not. The byproduct of this is the subversion of freedom for those that don't buy into the theocracy.



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now think about it dipshit when ur on the top of ur game every person who thinks they have the right 2 will come out the wood work and come after ur ass so y not target mr. religion simply when ur on top ur the number one target

quote:Originally posted by Antiquarian:

As a fervid eugenicist and an advocate of the destruction of human nature through genetic manipulation, I can't tolerate religion merging with the law, at all.

You want to "destroy" the human nature?? That's a new one...what's wrong with human nature that can't be worked with education?

If you're an atheist, or a deaist, and you attempt to explain why you're right, and everyone else is wrong, then you "deserve" to die.

I've had more problems with atheists treading on me than with christians treading on me.

but napolean, the converse is acceptable?

Of course not, I've just had more problems with atheists being aggressive in sharing their beliefs than with christians, mostly catholics.

Read Judges 11:30-40 and I wonder how 'God' loves kids so much? The tells people to kill each other, saying that you have no fear in war because your 'God' will help you break one of his own commandments. It's ok if you kill a bunch of people as a group, it's like bulk purchases, it won't cost much. What about Elisha killing 42 KIDS, that's right, CHILDREN, babes of a few summers past! 42 of the little buggers! Read it in 2King 2:23 in all of its evil gory I mean glory.

"On the highway to hell, I driving a Ferrari!" -me

quote:Originally posted by elfstone:

You want to "destroy" the human nature?? That's a new one...what's wrong with human nature that can't be worked with education?

Greed, corruption, laziness, a tendency towards violence, and a hereditary lack of intelligence.

Human nature does not change through education.

quote:Originally posted by Antiquarian:

Human nature does not change through education.

Sure, because areas with better civic education don't have lower crime rates than the inverse.

I've pretty much given up arguing about religion. If people are stupid enough to believe in an invisible figure who created humanity then it's obviously too ground into them to get it out.

quote:Originally posted by The_Reckoning:

Sure, because areas with better civic education don't have lower crime rates than the inverse.

I've pretty much given up arguing about religion. If people are stupid enough to believe in an invisible figure who created humanity then it's obviously too ground into them to get it out.

That's folly. Crime rates determine how well human nature has been undermined? Absolutely not, because human nature never will be. The status quo of said educated societies is one that discourages criminal action. More importantly, they provide a stronger economy, which naturally reduces the need for crime. I'm not saying that humans don't partially succumb to their surroundings.

quote:Originally posted by The_Reckoning:

I've pretty much given up arguing about religion. If people are stupid enough to believe in an invisible figure who created humanity then it's obviously too ground into them to get it out.

But how is believing in an invisible detrimental?

That is my point...

quote:Originally posted by Antiquarian:

Greed, corruption, laziness, a tendency towards violence, and a hereditary lack of intelligence.

Human nature does not change through education.

I didn't use the word "change". The above (except "lack of intelligence", where did u come up with that??) are general examples of individuality in all living organisms. With education humans can certainly keep them under control. If you think you are so weak that you can't control such urges and you have to resort to genetic manipulation, go ahead, the rest don't have to follow.

people trash religion because they are exposed to all the little faults, and contradictions, and fairy tale-like stories in most religions, and realize that it can't be the truth, because it is not as perfect as it makes itself out to be.

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

If you're an atheist, or a deaist, and you attempt to explain why you're right, and everyone else is wrong, then you "deserve" to die.

I've had more problems with atheists treading on me than with christians treading on me.

Except me.

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I'm going to have to strongly disagree with the initial post. I have seen a lot more bigotry, arrogance, ignorance and thoughtlessness in the religious people I've met than in the Atheist people I've met (although the traits exist in both groups).