what in the bible says you aren't supposed to have premarital sex? i honestly don't know. see the situation is there is this uber hot girl at my brothers church and i was wondering what could be done on my part to find a someway to get in a "specific" situation, actually there are about five or six girls there that keep giving me pew wood that i kept having to hold back. i know i've seen the tactic where the man acts like he thinks he's gay and the girl will instantly fix him but i think now that people are too smart for that one, i am extremely atractive and have no problem getting girls attention but it seems to me that some of these almost had some sort of exotic quality or power or something. if you haven't noticed i'm kinda buzzed right now and hot girls are floating through my head pretty much most of the day but i don't know what's happening here. maybe one of those long talks with one of them explaining the benefits of having sex with me would work. i'll tell her that jesus has to forgive her and stuff, he can't hate her for something like that.. need sex now

Are you religious? Yes

Well than follow every step of the bible and don’t have sex until you get “married”, it's your religion and it's your loss.

Go ahead and DON'T have sex with a beautiful human being.

You will burn in hell if you do http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

i'm not religious, it was a rally put on by my brother, he's the youth minister. i just went to back him up, i thought it would make him feel good to see me there to see his work. the sex part is probably a total lost cause here....... damn

there is no specific commandment forbidding premarital sex! there are various verses which however can be 'expanded'or 'explained' to make them sound like they do indeed prohibt it.(which is based on a misunderstanding of the concept of premarital sex)

getting devout christian girls into the premarital sack is incredibly easy. you just need to know the bible better than they do!

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quote:Originally posted by jackketch:



getting devout christian girls into the premarital sack is incredibly easy. you just need to know the bible better than they do!



this might take me some time, i think there is a real possibility here...

Rape? I hear it works every time.

hmm, that doesn't sound like the Best idea but it is an idea, i'd rather it be one of those "let's hide here and do it where no one will find us" things, i have a DV camera so i think i might record what goes down if it does

You, sir, are a waste of epidermis.

I truly hope that none of these "females" succumbs to your charm...lest you throw them off the right track spiritually.

The Bible tells us that if you cause one of God's people to stumble, it would be better for you to tie a stone around your neck and jump into the sea, because a terrible punishment awaits you.

Go jack off, and leave the girlies alone.

aha, wondered how long it would take before someone of your decent would step up, i have the attitude and methods to bring any woman i want to my mercy. you can't possibly think that your 1 post on this is going to stop me from trying and succeeding to have intercourse with one or more of these girls. if anything you should be happy that i will be testing the passion they have for their cause, they can't be not forgiven for this, it makes them stronger in the end

and really god can't get mad at me for it, he has to many other problems to worry about than watching girls in their prime be virgins. he has to forgive the both of us for it. what can you find that states i am headed for death because of it? sex offenders do much worse and they live. That's the one thing i can instill is fear, christianity is based on nothing more than fear and acceptance and i am able to surpass it

By the way, PREMARITAL SEX is considered fornication...which means that while you may perceive that it isn't specifically talked about in the Bible, fornication IS determined as a sin, no matter in what form (pre-marital sex, homosexuality, etc).

Renaming fornication does not change the act or remove the consequence. Those who commit fornication, sin.

Fornication is a sin against God. Sin is transgression of the law of God (I John 3:4).

Hebrews 13:4 - "Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled, but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."

I Corinthians 6:9-11 - "Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the Kingdom of God."

I Corinthians 7:2 - "Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife and every woman have her own husband."

Paul said, "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body, but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." I Corinthians 6:18.

The body of the believer belongs to God. Man has been bought with a price and is to glorify God while in the flesh. All of this is clearly taught in this chapter.

Pre-marital sex: an effort to reach compatibility? An innocent game to play? Not according to the word. God says it is fornication (sin), and those who commit such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. It is not sex which God condemns, but it's misuse outside the marriage bond.

1 Corinthians 6:12-20 - "Everything is permissible for me” – but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible for me” – but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food” – but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” 17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body."

quote:Originally posted by vipermanz85:

aha, wondered how long it would take before someone of your decent would step up, i have the attitude and methods to bring any woman i want to my mercy. you can't possibly think that your 1 post on this is going to stop me from trying and succeeding to have intercourse with one or more of these girls. if anything you should be happy that i will be testing the passion they have for their cause, they can't be not forgiven for this, it makes them stronger in the end

The fact that you care nothing about their convictions shows how selfish and brash you are.

If it is alright with you to be the "stumbling block" for these girls, oh well. Your sin will be judged, regardless of whether or not you are ok with it.

Why do you need to screw the Christian girls ? Why not go outside of the church, and stalk girls that may have no reservations about premarital sex ?

I am sure you are very proud of yourself for having such dominion over a female's genitalia, but your perspective makes it apparent that you are young, and I have to tell you that one day you will realize sex doesn't amount to anything outside of marriage.

I don't presume to think that my posts will alter anything...but you can't expect to receive only the answers that YOU want to hear. I suspect it was your intention to get a negative reaction from a Christian to begin with.

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quote:Originally posted by vipermanz85:

and really god can't get mad at me for it, he has to many other problems to worry about than watching girls in their prime be virgins. he has to forgive the both of us for it. what can you find that states i am headed for death because of it? sex offenders do much worse and they live. That's the one thing i can instill is fear, christianity is based on nothing more than fear and acceptance and i am able to surpass it

God detests ALL sin...he knows every hair on your head - what makes you think He doesn't know/care about every girl you defile yourself with ?

God offers forgiveness to those that repent. You certainly don't have a repentent heart.

If you think this is such a great idea, and that you are such a cool guy for having it, why don't you present it to your brother, the Youth Group Pastor ? I am sure he will have much to say on the subject.

If you don't want to out of fear, then you should know that this is definitely the wrong thing to do.

I never said that you were headed for death because of your sin.

Sin is sin, and it is either forgiven (through salvation - belief in Christ), or it is not (disbelief in Christ).

Romans 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

So, if you are saved, and are still thinking that God somehow OWES you forgiveness, and therefore you can sin all you like because He simply HAS to forgive you, you are essentially testing God. We are specifically commanded NOT to test God in this manner. His word was given to be followed...not tested. In this manner, you will fail, and you will reap the "benefits" of your transgressions.

Your thought process regarding God and faith is so immature that I doubt you are a Christian at all. In which case, sin all you want...it matters not to the condition of your eternal soul. Hell is Hell, no matter what sins you committed to find yourself there. It still sucks, and it is still eternal suffering.

The fact that this is even an issue for you, proves that you aren't a Christian. You would be concerned with much more important things than where you will be getting your next dose of pootang, and how many Christian girls you can seduce out of God's hand.

Sex offenders are sinners, just as we all are. Their sins are no greater than yours or mine. You cannot justify your fornication by comparing it to others', who you perceive to be "worse" than you are. All sin is revolting in the eyes of the Lord.

This "death" that the Bible talks about is not PHYSICAL...it is spiritual, meaning your soul will never make it's way to Heaven. Separation from God is death for the soul. If you don't care about the condition of your soul once your physical body expires, then so be it.

Christianity is NOT about fear...it is about LOVE. For God first, then for others, then for self. YOU and YOUR selfish desires are LAST !!

Why do you care, if you don't believe ? Just do it, and spare us the gory details.

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quote:By the way, PREMARITAL SEX is considered fornication...which means that while you may perceive that it isn't specifically talked about in the Bible, fornication IS determined as a sin, no matter in what form (pre-marital sex, homosexuality, etc).

digi.

just the mere fact that premarital sex isn't specifically named in the scriptures should cause someone of your learning and intelligence to pause and think.

there is a reason for this.

or doesn't the fact that god has chosen not just to issue a simple,clear 'thou shalt not bonk' commandment make you wonder?

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

digi.

just the mere fact that premarital sex isn't specifically named in the scriptures should cause someone of your learning and intelligence to pause and think.

there is a reason for this.

or doesn't the fact that god has chosen not just to issue a simple,clear 'thou shalt not bonk' commandment make you wonder?



I think I was very clear...all sexual immorality is SIN...all sexual immorality is fornication, which is SIN, and this includes premarital sex.

Pedophilia isn't specifically mentioned as a sin in the Bible, either...are we to then conclude that it is alright ?

It is sexually immoral, just as premarital sex is.

I gave the verses that tell us NOT to have premarital sex, which should be enough for you.

"...come into your marriage with your bed undefiled..."

That's it in a nutshell.

The only reason for a person to justify premarital sex as not being a sin is to allow himself/herself to do it.

It's wrong, and we all know it (even without instruction from the Bible !).

maybe i should read that stuff, you seem to get pretty steamed over it, i know nothing would probably happen, i just wanted to see what flaw could help my game. jist of the story is it is probably like one of the forbidden fruit, knowing you can't have it makes you want it more.

I'm not steamed at YOU, I am angry for those girls, who may fall prey to your whims and fancies.

I don't think you realize what will happen to them if you do succeed in seducing them. Spiritually, something in them will die, and they will forever hold that sin on their back. While they may repent, and God will certainly forgive them, it is something that won't be forgotten, and will greatly affect their future relationships, as well as their relationship with God.

Maybe you should read what ? The Bible ?

As the old proverb goes,

"Sex is evil, evil is sin; sin is forgiven, so stick it right in."



Seriously, most Christian girls aren't nearly as pure as you would think. Sluts about in the church as much as anywhere.

And if the girls are pure, maybe if you get them to think twice about the sex issue, maybe they'll start to think twice about religion as a whole. If you think about it, you may save the girl(s) from a dull, dry life without pleasure, of devotion to a silly set of make-believe fairy-tales from thousands of years ago. Plus, she's sure to enjoy it. Sounds to me like doing the right thing, morally! Just don't go breaking hearts, thereby soiling your otherwise noble endeavor.

Then again, you sound like an arrogant, conceited asshole, so fuck you.

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*laughs at Zorro*

I need to point out that my sex life has been anything but boring.

My being a Christian doesn't make me a nun.

I am to enjoy my husband, as any woman might, irrespective of their religious beliefs.

That is the way God intended it...He didn't tell us not to have sex outside of marriage to bore us.

The kind of sex that can be experienced within the confines of the institution of marriage is not only exciting, but beautiful in it's perfection, as it was created by God.

But you're right...church girls are by far "pure".

They are like anyone else with respect to sexual desire, but they are tasked with the duty of finding a distinction between their desires and God's desire.

Screwing up God's will for your life can produce some very unpleasant results that will last a lifetime.

He will certainly let you make your mistakes, but you will pay for them dearly.

I do not envy the man that causes this scenario for another person, especially for their own selfish gain.

quote:Screwing up God's will for your life can produce some very unpleasant results that will last a lifetime.

for once we agree. (still reading your the rest of your answer).

In what way do you agree ? I don't want to assume, and answer incorrectly.

whoa, now i have truly thought about what i thought. they can make the moves to me if they want to, i'm fine with it but it is their decision ultimetly

Well, it's a step in the right direction.

I commend you for at least taking in to consideration what THEY feel, and need.

I'll be praying for you...take that however you want.

Agape.

Jack, I'm waiting.

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quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Well, it's a step in the right direction.

I commend you for at least taking in to consideration what THEY feel, and need.

I'll be praying for you...take that however you want.

Agape.

i appreciate it