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Spic Power
2005-04-27, 22:34
One of the reasons Im not into the bible and stuff is because i observe how things work. These are my own collective thoughts

1] You are how you are raised.

2]Life is not like school. A bunch of kids going to the same school all have equal chances, life doesnt seem to work this way.



The way i see things work, as much as you want to say that god pardons this, punishes that, and tests him all that does is try to fill in a gap nobody has an answer to.

This can be debatable, but im sure that how you are RAISED affects how you are than any genetics or personal thoughts. bear with me I cant find my lovely thoughts now that I need them. I guess what I am trying to say it like we all get equal chances at things, get our report card when we die and thats it. i dont see things work like that. an example would be saint Teresa. She was a very good person, yet if you cloned her and raised her wrong she could be an evil person. Having more to do with environment than with genetics or personal thought.

Nobody has much choice, we are products of circumstance how i see it. If things worked the way the bible says god wants them to work than EVERYONE would go through the same things.

Yet what about lets say for example someone born into hinduism. Was it his choice to be born into hinduism? Does he have the same chance to accept the big man the same way a suburbian sunday schooler does? No he is raised hindu, and lets just say he is raised by an extremist family bent on blowing up Pakistan. all his life he is brainwashed with "this and that" about Pakistan until he blows himself up. god isnt going to just go to him in a dream one day and tell him what he's doing.

Ok if youre still with me let me sum it up.

If you have taken psychology then you have heard of "NATURE v NURTURE" thats pretty much how life is. Some people are born to be more aggressive than others or more emotional than others, the rest is all up to environment. That ultimately makes up who you are. Some of you may say that as long as you never reject jesus you are going to heavan, but someone will choose to accept jesus or not by weighing all events that have occured in his life and GREATLY depending who he knows, what his "people" will think of it, how it will benefit him, and just how much knowledge on jesus. Depending on how we was conditioned to interpret things.

Oh and no Im not Biblophobic. i dont hate religion or the religious, it would go against my own philosophy. Then again my interpretation of hate is different from everyones. Yes i have read most of the bible and im not convinced, im reading Nietzche and his philosophy hasnt impressed me so far either.

Spic Power
2005-04-28, 00:01
meh, I knew i worded it bad. look at an Islam extremeist. He flies into the towers and america assumes he is "evil" and is going to hell. yet there is no concrete definition of "evil" as he with all honesty beleives that he is going to heaven for his actions. Who is right?, who is wrong? Was it completely up to his "consciense[sp]" that he was born and got into a situation that ended up with him being "brainwashed" by OUR standards?

Spic Power
2005-05-09, 15:05
Am I seeing right, the first question a bible bumper could not answer?

Gulielmus
2005-05-09, 17:58
People aren't defined just by environment. It's genetics and environment combined. People rise above their circumstances all of the time. I'm nothing like my family, and I don't believe the things that they do. I don't believe in evolution (as a universal starting point, as a first cause) and I'm agnostic; those two things alone alienate me from the belief systems of every single person that I know. You touched a little on free will; being defined by genetics doesn't make free will any more valid than being defined by your environment. Free will does not exist. You are you, and that person is defined by something else. You aren't a blank slate when your born, you're you (genetics) and you're thrown into whatever environment you're thrown into, and these things make you you. You cannot choose who to be. All choices are defined by something else (because you are defined by something else; a creator, random chance, whatever). There is no free will.