i've never done that shit. i believe there are 2 different realms to the universe, 1 being spiritual, 1 being physical. i really dont belive they can contact each other. the spirits, might be able to watch the physical realm, but i dont believe they can effect it.

however, i've heard some freaky shit about Ouiji boards. i heard, as long as you believe in the devil, it works. even friends i used to have, said they did it, and shit would start happening, like pictures falling off the wall, and stuff.

im kind of scared of it, because a spirit isn't just something you can kill, like a human. i figure with a human, they can either kill me, or i can kill them, but spirits might can make you do things.

do you believe they work, and have you had experience with them, and tell your stories.

EDIT: and where supposedly are these spirits coming from? hell, heaven, earth, or what?

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You can kill a spirit, you just need a +1 or better weapon, or the ability to turn undead.

/geek

im a geek for wondering about it? i got the idea from bone thugs. i would hardly call any of them geeks. bone thugs did it and wrote songs about it, and it has me interested.

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/geek = mockery on the tag line for the UBB code used to do things like make urls or change font styles.

And I have to throw my head back with sardonic contempt for getting any idea of spirituality from Bone Thugs.

Didn't mean to flame, but... Bone Thugs? I haven't heard from them since they came out with Crossroads when I was around twelve.

ahh, dude, you got to get with the program. bone thugs is the greatest group of all time. i still buy bizzy bone solo's and all the bone thug group albums. but bizzy and layzie have a cd that was just released called bone brothers. and i dont think any bone member is over 30 years old. krayzie said in an interview about a month ago when asked if the ouiji board works, and he said, "yeah it works if you believe in the devil. but i'll never mess with it again."

im a little scared of getting posessed or something, and killing somebody against my will. it's not that im scared of hearing voices, in fact, i think that would be pretty bad ass. i think i'll at least try it. ask it when im going to die and everything.

Hehehe... to each his own, I suppose.

Bizzy and Layzie Bone... for some reason, it reminds me of Bubb Rubb and Lil Sis.

"Bone Brothers! Woo-WOOOO!"

yea its real. No you dont have to worship satan to use it. My christian mom used it only once... i didnt ask what happened but it didnt seem as though she felt like talking about it..

shortly after i got out of the army, i bought one and brought it home. my sister and i tried it out. i let her asked the questions. both of us had our hands on the stylus (?) lightly (like your supposed to). I moved the stylus to the answers. my sister could not tell. when i told her that i was the one answering, she didnt believe. Just so you know, she has a bachelor's in management and in psychology.

with that little experiment, (and this is kinda in response to Metaligod's thread about 'Magic"), i think that ouiji boards are mostly hogwash (although, since i believe in the spiritual war, i dont rule them out completely).

Anyway, to continue with the story:

My mom is very easy going. But when she found out that i had one (after the army i lived with my parents for a short while); she, in no uncertain terms, told me to "get that damn thing outta my house". I've never seen her that solid. "yes, ma'am", was my response.

I've never used one. My mother made sure I maintained a deep rooted fear of them until I was too old to be interested. They're sold at Toys R Us so they must be a product of the devil... The devil being corporate America.

Frankly I think they work about as well as the people who are using them think they work.

Cheers,

Lost

They work at least to the extent

of projecting your subconcious.

Similar to dowsing, it's small

muscle tremors that do the moving.

Whether or not your subconcious

is actually getting information

from beyond normal senses,

that's the question.

It's another occult tool,

as is mediation, prayer and

ritual practice.

In my opinion.

im going to get 1, and i'll try it at my grandmothers house. alot of people died their. like 3 people in my family, and several before then. 2 people i think died from unnatural causes, 1 being from my family. and even without the ouiji board, i've heard of scary things happening in that house. i'll do it by myself, and if that doesn't work, i'll come back with somebody else.

if i was asked if i thought it worked, i would say no. because i believe the spirit world, and physical world, cant communicate. i do believe we live with spirits around us though. but who knows, this might be a window, where they can come through. anyway, if it ever has worked, it will work at my grandmothers house. i lived their a few times, and i've never seen anything, but alot of people claimed they have.

i'll let you know what happens on this thread. i'll ask, it when i'll die, if im going to hell, and things like that. you have to believe these things, and you might have to move it. close your eyes, and see what happens. and spirits let you know what to do subconciously. i'll let you know.

I have doubts that a piece of cardboard with letters on it and a plastic pointer will somehow forge a gateway between the physical and spiritual world (if the spiritual world even exists).

Ouiji Boards are for getting laid, retards.

They are real, to those who take them seriously.

I didn't buy one...I made one. To make it "real", we did things to it...but I won't disclose that here, since it is irrelevant.

It worked. Many messages that I received in the past were from that Ouija board.

I wouldn't recommend playing with it...it opens doors you don't want to walk through, man.

quote:Originally posted by Adorkable:

Ouiji Boards are for getting laid, retards.

Once you pull out the OuiJa board, the girls just can't say NonNein!

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

They are real, to those who take them seriously.

I didn't buy one...I made one. To make it "real", we did things to it...but I won't disclose that here, since it is irrelevant.

It worked. Many messages that I received in the past were from that Ouija board.

I wouldn't recommend playing with it...it opens doors you don't want to walk through, man.

No shit, it's an idol. Idols have a way of working bad things when you place belief in them. I've made that mistake in the past...

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I wouldn't recommend playing with it...it opens doors you don't want to walk through, man.

Shut up, moron.

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

They work at least to the extent

of projecting your subconcious.

Similar to dowsing, it's small

muscle tremors that do the moving.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

They are real, to those who take them seriously.

I didn't buy one...I made one. To make it "real", we did things to it...but I won't disclose that here, since it is irrelevant.

It worked. Many messages that I received in the past were from that Ouija board.

I wouldn't recommend playing with it...it opens doors you don't want to walk through, man.

more?

More, what ?

Sephiroth:

Can you expound on that a little ? What was your experience ?

Why is dowzing occult?

http://skepdic.com/ideomotor.html

Can anybody who believes Ouiji boards are true, show me a source that cites successful and reproduceble "Ouiji boards" reading (or whatever you want to call them) in a blind or double blind study?

I didn't think so.

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I'm disappointed Sephiroth. You make me cry. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Sephiroth:

Can you expound on that a little ? What was your experience ?

I was just referencing the effects, which have been documented, on people when they turn to idol worship, witchcraft, and similar things. I don't really believe idols have spiritual power, but when I fucked with magic when I was little, I was fucking with myself and I ended up with nightmares, scratches, popped blood vessels, and throwing up all over the place when I woke up. Placing faith in something that you perceive ahead of time to be negative leaves you susceptible to your own insecurities which have been documented to have psychosomatic effects. In the same way that a placebo can have an effect on a real ailment, believing that you are doing something spiritually wrong will have physical effects as well. Leviticus called it tsoras. If you like, you can call it God's way of saying not to fuck with idols, but I think that it's more of a physiological thing as spiritual punishment is supposed to come at the end of life.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

http://skepdic.com/ideomotor.html

Can anybody who believes Ouiji boards are true, show me a source that cites successful and reproduceble "Ouiji boards" reading (or whatever you want to call them) in a blind or double blind study?

I didn't think so.

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I'm disappointed Sephiroth. You make me cry. http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

You ooze bigotry.

Nothing metaphysical has EVER been proven to the satisfaction of the "logical", spiritually retarded scientific community.

You can't "prove" that it didn't happen to those that experienced it, any more than we can "prove" that it did.

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Sephiroth:

Sin reaps spiritual and physical ramifications during our lifetime. The spiritual judgement comes after physical death.

Thanks for sharing your experience...though I am not clear on how you could wind up with broken blood vessels, if it was all in your head.

Yes, I know sin leads your life in bad directions to almost karmaic effect, but in the instance of idol worship, I don't think so. If it were merely transgression of God's law and not a psychosomatic effect drawn from my personal knowledge that what I was doing was wrong that caused my problems, then it should be happening to every pagan, every idol worshipper, not just a very few. Leviticus' description of tsoras says it is not possible unless you are in close communion with God in the land of Israel.

Psychosomatic effects are well documented. Schyzophrenics, depressives, and other people with mental ailments, whether they are serious sinners or not, often exhibit physical signs of their illnesses, whether they be broken skin, frequent physical illness, or other forms of ailment. It has been proven that the mind has a lot of control over what happens to the body.

ouiji boards are the devil!!! - mom from the waterboy

but really i think that satan moves your hands to the answer and when you use it, it invites demons into your house OH NO ! :O

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

You ooze bigotry.

Nothing metaphysical has EVER been proven to the satisfaction of the "logical", spiritually retarded scientific community.

You can't "prove" that it didn't happen to those that experienced it, any more than we can "prove" that it did.



Leave it to you to find "bigotry" in me wanting evidence for the outrageous claims that Ouiji boards are real.

quote:Originally posted by Sephiroth:

Once you pull out the OuiJa board, the girls just can't say NonNein!

No, not at all. You pull it out and ask some crap like "who will my next romantic experience be with" and push it around the letters of the chick's name.

My mum told us a story of when she was young and some kids used a home made Ouiji board, using a glass/cup/tumbler for the "letter-choosing-thing" and apparantly the glass shattered and each participant got a cut on the end of their finger with the same shape - something like that, but it was fucking freaky.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

Leave it to you to find "bigotry" in me wanting evidence for the outrageous claims that Ouiji boards are real.

quote:I didn't think so.

People who believe in the power of the Ouija are stupid, since it can't possibly be true.

quote:I'm disappointed Sephiroth. You make me cry.

You can't stand people, who appear to be intellectual by YOUR standards, to say that they have experienced something metaphysical that YOU haven't.

While this all may not be directly bigoted, the undertones are there.

BIGOTRY: The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.

Now, why on earth would I find your statements to be bigoted ? Could it be because they are intolerant of the possibilities you have not yet experienced ?

v

the trick is to move it without letting everyone else realize that you are moving it. fun times.