A while ago now in a pope bashing thread i said i read a book once about how ratzinger pimps himself out to other members of the vatican to gain status/power.

Here is the book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1552631427/104-0173892-7780766?v=glance)

Heres a page about the book with some excerpts (sp?) (http://www.trosch.org/bks/rvw/millenari.html)

According to this book, ratzinger is a very bad man deeply involved in all this shit. And i mean he has the look of an evil bugger dont he.

He is not pope material.

He's the Emperor all right.

Do you have a less biased document?

It's kind of hard for me to have faith in a book entitled "Shroud of Secrecy-The story of corruption within the Vatican".

Also, who wrote this?

A cardinal wrote it, along with 12 others who were involved i think, im not sure it was a while ago but a deeply interesting read.

The guy who wrote it wasnt just a reporter fellow, he was a whilstle blower. I read on another site while i was trying to find a ebook copy that the author was killed mysteriously a few months after it was published, but i cant verify that.

Why would a cardinal write this?

Was he kicked out of the church?

What cardinal?

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:



Also, who wrote this?

"Written by a small group of Vatican prelates who call themselves the Millenari..."

A quote from the site posted.

Does anyone know what are the names of the people in the "millenari"?

It's understandably hard for me to have faith in a book written by unknown authors about a subject that only a few people are privy to.

The Vatican, acting like the Vatican? This is new.

quote:Originally posted by Garrett:



He is not pope material.

Well, from the Pope's own admission, you probably won't be bitching about him long. One of the reasons he chose the name Benedict XVI is because of Benedict XV's short reign. The new pope is the oldest pope to be elected in over 270 years, and he has had a second stroke within the last two years, and also has heart problems.

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

The Vatican, acting like the Vatican? This is new.

quote:Originally posted by napoleon_complex:

Does anyone know what are the names of the people in the "millenari"?

It's understandably hard for me to have faith in a book written by unknown authors about a subject that only a few people are privy to.

"the MILLENARIANS" are a group of presides of the roman Curia. They have written the best seller 'Gone With The Wind In The Vatican' (Kaos editions 1999).

"Every day that God sends in earth, who lend the own subordinate work in Vatican - hundred of ecclesiastics and laici - sees of all, listens of all, sopporta of all. In many of they the faith succeeds in to waver under the blows of a chaste ritaria car that has exchanged the exercise of the temporal power with the will and impunity.

"invoca Hush for the good name of the Church, the dirty cloth must be washed in family. But Hush that tace the evil in order not to make the scandal can get confused with the complicity, and sure the cospiracy of silence is not between the instructions of Christ. Bonis nocet here malis parcet.



"Anyone loves the Church indeed knows that it is in crisis, in order more aspects and for several reasons. But the epicenter of the crisis is in Vatican, where the smoke of Satana has been insinuated - and ristagna -. There is a single way in order to remove it: to open wide the windows. The Gospel has taught to us: null v' of it is covered that it does not have secretly to be revealed and that does not have to be known. Not enim possumus quae vidimus ET audivimus not loqui ". (an excerpt from the book the Millenari wrote in 1999 called 'Via with the wind in Vatican n° 2') http://transl ate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.kaosedizioni.com/schnomedio_fumosatana.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMillenari%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.kaosedizioni.com/schnomedio_fumosatana.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMillenari%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG)

I know that didn't tell you who is IN the Millenari...everything I found was in Italian (hence the awful Italian to English translation above), and none of it was specific. If they are a "secret" society of sorts, I doubt you will be finding their names posted anywhere. If I come across it, I will let you know.

They are also trees: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.immaginidellasardegna.it/flora%2520e%2520fauna/olivo%2520ginepre%2520d%27aleppo/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwho%2Bare%2 Bthe%2 (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.immaginidellasardegna.it/flora%2520e%2520fauna/olivo%2520ginepre%2520d%27aleppo/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwho%2Bare%2B the%2) Bmillenari%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D

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The Curia is the administrative bureaucracy of the Catholic Church in Rome. It comprises those responsible for the day-to-day working of the world-wide organisation. They are formed into dicasteries (departments) with a 'Prefect', normally a cardinal, as head. These all report to the Secretary of State and he to the Pope. http://members.ozemail.com.au/~wfnev/March00Goosen.htm

In Italy, allegations of corruption in the Curia and media calls for its reform were strong at the time of the involvement of the American Archbishop Marcinkus, then head of the Vatican Bank, in the Banco Ambrosiano affair. They received renewed thrust with the publication in February last year of the book Via col vento in Vaticano (Gone With the Wind in the Vatican). It went almost unnoticed until the Vatican's top court, the Tribunal of the Sacred Rota, took the unprecedented step of demanding the destruction of all copies and initiated a legal action for defamation and slander against a 72-year-old retired bishop, Luigi Marinelli. The book had appeared under the pseudonym of I Millenari (the millenarians), an anagram of Marinelli.

The bishop, who worked for 20 years in the Congregation for Oriental Churches, told the press that he was but one of the authors.



Reviewing the book in the US National Catholic Reporter last August, Gary MacEoin, author of a history of Vatican II, suggested there was little of substance in the book to confirm the case for reform. "There is plenty of dirt, indeed, but little proof. What we have is a rehash of old gossip, a rambling repetitious diatribe ... "

The enormous news coverage in Italy that followed the Vatican's move to suppress the book focused primarily on the undocumented salacious incidents scattered through it.

The substantive charges in the book are four: careerism, secretive selection of bishops, presence of a Masonic network in the Curia that promotes movements and activities harmful to religion, and the absence of a trade union for curial employees. (from the same link above)

So, you have at least ONE name: Luigi Marinelli.

~ http://www.traditioninaction.org/bkreviews/A_005br_GoneWithWind.htm

~ http://www.remnantofgod.org/art28.htm

"I have no doubt that nepotism and avarice dominate Vatican politics but these Milinari sound like the guys whose candidate didn't win, whining about how unfair the process is." (a reader review found at http://www.stylegala.com/store/1552631427/Shroud_of_Secrecy.html )

The above opinion is the one that I share, though I have admittedly not read the book. It seems like these "Millenari" didn't get their way about something, and therefore had to "blow the whistle" on the Church.

This is sick: http://www.trosch.org/bks/rvw/millenari.html

DS -- please fix your links.

I'll give an example. Wherever you see angle brackets < > replace with square brackets [ ].

<URL=http://www.website.com/>link text</URL>

If your URL has spaces in it, you'll need to replace each space with a "%20"

<URL=http://www.website.com/pop%20music>link text</URL>

For the first translation link you made, replace the link text with something shorter. For the second translation link you need to replace spaces with %20 and change the link text to something shorter.

Edit: The problem is only seen on Firefox... since it probably won't affect you or most of the others I guess you can do whatever you want.

[This message has been edited by Clarphimous (edited 05-03-2005).]

A surprising number of people use firefox. it must be up to about 20% of net surfers now.

Im still trying to find an online copy of the book, if anyon finds one be sure to post!

And what an unbiased book about uncovering the secrets of the vatican be like? i doubt they keep the generous donations to various soup kitchens secret, only stuff they dont want people to know.

I used FireFox for about a week...too many probs.

Believe me, I would love to break off from Microsoft, but FireFox doesn't have all the kinks worked out yet.

Try again later.

Yes, Clar...for the majority (of whom use IE), the links are fine.

It would be cool if you would stop following me around correcting my posts.

I see far worse here, more deserving of your scrutiny.

I know you're just trying to help, but it's a pretty constant occurance now. No point, really.

After finding out it was just Firefox, I was going to remove the post, but... I decided to leave the info there in case you wanted to use it.

I would've responded if it had been anyone else, so don't take this one personally.

Whether or not any of this is true, all we can ever do is pray.

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

Whether or not any of this is true, all we can ever do is pray.

or, i dont know, take action against such things?

yeah, no problem