What does the bible have to say on cannabis?

I've read a fair bit about it, and it seems that the bible doesn't push in either direction. It's neither something you should do, nor something you shouldn't do.

Being at a really christian school, there is a large selection of people to discuss it with around me. Although there is no varying opinion, they all believe it is an incredibly unbiblical thing to do, always using the same evidence. Either that drunkeness is a sin, or that you should always be in your own mind.

Being both agnostic and a regular smoker, my opinion possibly doesn't mean much. But what are the unbiased opinions out there?

i dunno, i read an article once which claimed that jesus anointed people with cannabis oil, and that's how they got such perfect peace and began to follow him, how reliable that is, i do not know, but it would be cool if it were real, no?

Part of the biblical view that one should not use drugs or alcohol in excess comes from a verse that says something to the effect of "your body is the temple of the holy spirit" which means that God has given you the body that you have and you should not disrespect or damage it.



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And also that you shouldn't use things to get out of reality...You should be filled with the spirit.

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

And also that you shouldn't use things to get out of reality...You should be filled with the spirit.

rubbish, I've had the most religiously, and spiritually enlightening experiences that couldn't possibly be explained in altered conciousness.... and I've been blessed by those experiences rather than cursed or feel like I messed up.

The Bible says you should follow the laws of the government somewhere.

quote:Originally posted by asthesunsets:

The Bible says you should follow the laws of the government somewhere.

What are you trying to say here?

quote:Originally posted by Zman:

And also that you shouldn't use things to get out of reality...You should be filled with the spirit.

You have fun getting filled with His Holy man meat.

Faggot.

I think there is a verse in the bible that says that one should obey the government, provided of course, that what the government asks of you does not contradict other commandments.

God made plants, man made beer. Who do you trust?



On another note:

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -Ben Franklin

quote:Originally posted by Perspicacious:

Part of the biblical view that one should not use drugs or alcohol in excess comes from a verse that says something to the effect of "your body is the temple of the holy spirit" which means that God has given you the body that you have and you should not disrespect or damage it.



who's damging their body, bitch? weed feels good, is damn good. unless its in excess, but anything in excess is bad for you. sure it feels damn good, but it's bad for you. so if you're not stoned from morning to night every day of every week, weed can be good for you.

quote: who's damging their body, bitch? weed feels good, is damn good. unless its in excess, but anything in excess is bad for you. sure it feels damn good, but it's bad for you. so if you're not stoned from morning to night every day of every week, weed can be good for you.



In reference to the post above:

Some people believe that it is wrong to damage their bodies based on biblical passages such as the one I sited earlier. Some of the same people believe that the use of cannabis is a type of damage that one can do to their body. The point of my earlier post was to attempt to explain why some people have the view the bible condemns the use of cannabis. I never claimed that this was my personal view so calling me a "bitch" is neither necessary or fair.



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Oxygen damages your body. Religious people should stop breathing.

If a burning bush was good enough for Moses, it's good enough for me.

I remember somewhere in the Good Book it says, "All of God's plants have a purpose", or something like that. So, cannabis gets you high, there's one of it's purposes right there.

It is also good bird feed, makes excellent clothes, paper that won't turn yellow until about 2 to 3 centuries, and not to mention good old-fashioned rope.



~Umm...what where we talking about again?~

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Fuck weed. What about smoking opium?!

"Honour thy mother and thy father" duh!

If your parents don't want you to smoke, you can't, or else it's a sin.

Yea, smoking weed/smoking/doing drugs is against the bible.

first you have to follow the laws of the govrement - but gods laws first

second, you can't hurt you body in any way.

and third, it says in everything you do, do it for the anme of god, (or something like that) - how can you do that when youre fucked outta your mind

mr. deere, how the hell is weed bad for you, if you are not taking it in EXCESS (like I do)? Without taking the smoking to extremes, it's perfectly fine, even beneficial for your body. In the Bible, God also said that man should have dominion over the earth and use the products of the earth for man's benefits. If smoking weed makes an otherwise depressed person happy, is that bad? If it makes anyone happy, is that bad?

One other thing, if your government makes a law stating that you can no longer be Christian, would you obey???

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I remember in my sunday school days at the hick church my parents drug me to, the guy said it was ok to smoke a joint every now and then....Pretty funny.

quote:Originally posted by Kaijec Torsf:

rubbish, I've had the most religiously, and spiritually enlightening experiences that couldn't possibly be explained in altered conciousness.... and I've been blessed by those experiences rather than cursed or feel like I messed up.



How do you know that Satan didnt show you those things? http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

Unles you can compare what happened when you did take the drugs and when you didnt, you cant make your argument, and since that is impossible, you cannot make it.

Actually, if you took the time to read Genesis, you know that it says that God put herb and food onto the world for man to use and consume. It is right there. Obviously God is ok with the occasional toke.

In my religious opinion it is a sin. Any intoxicant should not be used.

quote:Originally posted by coolwestman:

In my religious opinion it is a sin. Any intoxicant should not be used.

What about getting high on chemicals produced by your body? Like, beating someone to death to get an adrenaline rush. Is that okay? Cause it gives the best results.

Ancients used to chew cannabis to get high and they actually wrote the bible so I'd say it's ok.

I mean the plant is there for a reason (if God did indeed create the earth and all the plants) so why waste it? It's a gift http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Forbidden fruit anyone? Falling down the stairs hurts your body. Does that make it a sin? I know it sounds illogical but so does reproduction being a sin. That is unless god never wanted us here in the first place. In which case I say fuck the word either kill yourself or kill the earth either way you will go to hell.

Several of you (notably, crazed hamster and snoopy) are arguing with people who have merely presented facts. It's fine to disagree but don't kill the messenger.

The Bible states that the body is a temple and should not be desecrated unnecessarily--marijuana as a harmful intoxicant (I am prepared to defend this position) is a desecration of the temple. Next, drugs would mess up your priorities as they ought to be--your priority would be getting high, not God.

Further, follow the law of the land.

There are 3 reasons why Christians oughtn't to do drugs.

quote:Originally posted by MidnightAssassin:

God made plants, man made beer. Who do you trust?



On another note:

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -Ben Franklin

Man didn't make beer, per se. Yeast(living things, mind you) make alcohol. The taste of this alcohol depends on what they use as food. Beer is when yeast use hops and barley. So, technically, God made both.

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

Several of you (notably, crazed hamster and snoopy) are arguing with people who have merely presented facts. It's fine to disagree but don't kill the messenger.

The Bible states that the body is a temple and should not be desecrated unnecessarily--marijuana as a harmful intoxicant (I am prepared to defend this position) is a desecration of the temple. Next, drugs would mess up your priorities as they ought to be--your priority would be getting high, not God.

Further, follow the law of the land.

There are 3 reasons why Christians oughtn't to do drugs.

So, what about oxygen?

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:



The Bible states that the body is a temple and should not be desecrated unnecessarily--marijuana as a harmful intoxicant (I am prepared to defend this position)

Intoxicant has it's etymology in the Latin: from intoxicare - to poison, from toxicum - poison. For a substance to be a 'harmful' intoxicant it needs for evidence that it contains such a toxin. Where are the hospitals full of the victims of this harmful intoxicant? How many hospital beds are full of the victims of true toxins such as alcohol? How much alcohol is necessary to kill a human? How much cannabis is necessary to kill?

Every single law a government makes is not always right, thus if we were to obey every single law created by a government we would be acting against our conscience, and against our common sense and free will. If you lived in Saudi Arabia where it is illegal for a woman to drive, would you let your wife (assuming you had one) drive. If you were a dedicated follower of any religion, and one day the government decides to make your religion illegal, do you just up and change religions like you do clothes, just because the government told you to? Where do you draw the line as to what is a good ruling by a government, and what is not?

I think God put weed on this Earth for man's enjoyment.

the bible says that you are to obey the laws of the established government, unless those laws tells you to do something that goes against the 10 commandments.

If marijuana grows naturally on earth, than it was obviously meant to be used by humans.

If it wasn't ment to be used by humans, "god" either made a mistake, or "god" just created it to be a righteous asshole and say you couldn't use it.

So either:

1. "god" is not all powerful like all the religions believe and he makes mistakes

or

2. "god" is a hyprocrite.

I'd smoke a joint right in front of "god," and if he told me

"Son, you cannot use that evil herb, it is a sin"

I would simply say:

"Why the hell did you create it then?"

quote:Originally posted by Cash Stealer:

If marijuana grows naturally on earth, than it was obviously meant to be used by humans.

If it wasn't ment to be used by humans, "god" either made a mistake, or "god" just created it to be a righteous asshole and say you couldn't use it.

So either:

1. "god" is not all powerful like all the religions believe and he makes mistakes

or

2. "god" is a hyprocrite.

I'd smoke a joint right in front of "god," and if he told me

"Son, you cannot use that evil herb, it is a sin"

I would simply say:

"Why the hell did you create it then?"



bravo, bravo.... but, first you'd have to find god.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

How do you know that Satan didnt show you those things? http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

What? There can't be a non-biased opinion when it comes to questions of morality and religion

quote:Originally posted by redzed:

Intoxicant has it's etymology in the Latin: from intoxicare - to poison, from toxicum - poison. For a substance to be a 'harmful' intoxicant it needs for evidence that it contains such a toxin. Where are the hospitals full of the victims of this harmful intoxicant? How many hospital beds are full of the victims of true toxins such as alcohol? How much alcohol is necessary to kill a human? How much cannabis is necessary to kill?

People have died in car crashes resulting from marijuana inebriation. QED.

christiansforcannabis.com

quote:Originally posted by john_deer:



second, you can't hurt you body in any way.



In that case, eating at Burger King would be considered to be against Christianity. I havn't heard of any Christians saying that eating a cheeseburger is a sin.

quote:Originally posted by john_deer:

Yea, smoking weed/smoking/doing drugs is against the bible.

first you have to follow the laws of the govrement - but gods laws first

second, you can't hurt you body in any way.

and third, it says in everything you do, do it for the anme of god, (or something like that) - how can you do that when youre fucked outta your mind



the fact that the bible points towards following the government should tell you all that it was man written, BY NORMAL MEN who know of no such god Karl Mark was a very intelegent man, he had his own theory on government and when it came to religion he seen it as anyone should, A way for the goverment to control you, its a way for you to feel like its ok for a king to boss you around because the bible says so its a way for you to feel like you in a lower class because its your destiny well guess what, it makes sense the lowest class always outnumbers the higest class it is a simple way to contrl people, Just read up on Karl Marx youll understand completely.

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

Several of you (notably, crazed hamster and snoopy) are arguing with people who have merely presented facts. It's fine to disagree but don't kill the messenger.

The Bible states that the body is a temple and should not be desecrated unnecessarily--marijuana as a harmful intoxicant (I am prepared to defend this position) is a desecration of the temple. Next, drugs would mess up your priorities as they ought to be--your priority would be getting high, not God.

Further, follow the law of the land.

There are 3 reasons why Christians oughtn't to do drugs.



didnt jesus drink wine in the last supper, last i checked, my grandfather died of liver cancer, from what, liquer so why is wine ok and weed isnt, both are intoxicants, am i wrong.

quote:Originally posted by lakelaxrookie49:

the bible says that you are to obey the laws of the established government, unless those laws tells you to do something that goes against the 10 commandments.

Didn't Jesus release y'all from the Ten Commandments when he said that the greatest law is to love God, and thy neighbor as yourself?

The body wasn't made for the pleasure of the ego.

quote:Originally posted by asthesunsets:

The Bible says you should follow the laws of the government somewhere.

What if you lived in amsterdam?

quote:Originally posted by Perspicacious:

Part of the biblical view that one should not use drugs or alcohol in excess comes from a verse that says something to the effect of "your body is the temple of the holy spirit" which means that God has given you the body that you have and you should not disrespect or damage it.





Another bad quality about christianity, according to what that dude said and all sins being equal you are commiting just as bad a crime when you scrape your knee...

So, shove it in a christian-cig-smoking-teacher's face...

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

What about getting high on chemicals produced by your body? Like, beating someone to death to get an adrenaline rush. Is that okay? Cause it gives the best results.

And also, the near-death experience high, produced by chemicals in your own body given to you before birth. We'd be sinning by dieing...

Assuming Genesis means anything at all, God made all the plants and animals and gave man dominion over all of them but the tree of knowledge. Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the tree and pissed God off. Weed plants don't bear fruit and neither do the plants cocaine comes from (that I know of). Man was only denied access to one plant and chances are it wasn't A-sexual and is now extinct. Weed has been a good partner with many faiths for thousands of years and only brings the wrath of Christians where its illegal. As if the will of God is subject to the boundaries set in place by governments. If thats the case, then I could be a good Christian just by crossing an imaginary line that man will change one day if only I believed more than a tenth of the Bible.

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

Several of you (notably, crazed hamster and snoopy) are arguing with people who have merely presented facts. It's fine to disagree but don't kill the messenger.

The Bible states that the body is a temple and should not be desecrated unnecessarily--marijuana as a harmful intoxicant (I am prepared to defend this position) is a desecration of the temple. Next, drugs would mess up your priorities as they ought to be--your priority would be getting high, not God.

Further, follow the law of the land.

There are 3 reasons why Christians oughtn't to do drugs.

You’re a fucking idiot. Human law has nothing to do with religion. How the fuck do they correlate? Huh tell me that one shitclown.

We should trust mans judgment in the laws he implements? Did you use that thing that resides inside your skull before you wrote this utter shit? You’re going to tell me man is infallible.

"The body is a temple and should not be desecrated unnecessarily" or whatever the fuck it is has a million interpretations.

You have affirmed my belief that people who believe in god are brain dead, retards that won't actually contribute to society, besides spreading their religious bullshit.

Marijuana harmful??

Maybe you should do a little research with regards to THC.

THC- Is an antioxidant, which means it protects the brain, prevents/slows growth of cancer. The list goes on, but antioxidant is probably over your comprehension level.

Maybe the strongest piece of evidence to destroy your whole argument is the FACT that what you read in the bible is not the original scriptures. But you are too fucking stupid, and again a concept like that is out of your comprehension.

People have taken liberties along the way with respect to the bible. It’s been passes down for a long time and people have added their input along the way.

You religious dumbfucks, are too stupid to get into a university. You fucks won’t even get into community college, but you remain sate with the belief that god will take care of you and this is all part of his plan. That makes me sick.

You will go through life a virgin, who will never experience the joys of substances that were put on earth (by supposedly god). Yet when you die you will have the same fate as the rest of us. You’ll rot in a grave, which scares the fuck out of you doesn’t it?

You’re much happier believing in a mystical happy utopia known as heaven.

I ask myself how many more generations will live and die over and over again until religion is finally weeded out. Or perhaps the better question it, how many generations will it take until we get smarter?

The bottom line is I wrote this in about 45 seconds while coked out my skull. But your ignorance has now blown my high. But I guess it’s only fair, considering I just destroyed your dream world.

Now that I’m finished you can go back to buttfucking your fellow church mates with heliocentricity and “flat earths”. Then you can buy some “indulgences” (If you don’t know; look it up) off of me to absolve your sin.

quote:Originally posted by coolwestman:

In my religious opinion it is a sin. Any intoxicant should not be used.

What about alcohol? Alcohol is an intoxicant, and the Bible says that Jesus drank wine, doesn't it?

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

People have died in car crashes resulting from marijuana inebriation. QED.

People have died from picking their nose while driving too, I bet. Whats your point? Doing anything that'll slow your reaction time while driving is stupid. That doesn't make doing that activity normally wrong.

Wait a minute... stay with me... a thought coming... weed... IS the holy spirit!!! OMG!!!

quote:Originally posted by MidnightAssassin:

God made plants, man made beer. Who do you trust?



On another note:

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -Ben Franklin



god lol, he made chronic, and shrooms, and other exiting fun plants...hooray ?

We are to follow the laws of our government, so that no one can find us worthy of blame.

Jesus says to follow the logic of your leaders, because they did not come into power without God's knowledge or permission.

Therefore, since the law says we must not smoke it, we shouldn't.

quote:Originally posted by crazed_hamster:



One other thing, if your government makes a law stating that you can no longer be Christian, would you obey???



We are supposed to follow the laws of land, unless they cause us to go against our God.

But I am sure you knew that.

quote:Originally posted by RandomHero:

Actually, if you took the time to read Genesis, you know that it says that God put herb and food onto the world for man to use and consume. It is right there. Obviously God is ok with the occasional toke.

Smoking was not the intended purpose of the cannabis plant.

Hemp can be used for a good many useful things...carcinogenic abuse is not one of them.

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

Several of you (notably, crazed hamster and snoopy) are arguing with people who have merely presented facts. It's fine to disagree but don't kill the messenger.

The Bible states that the body is a temple and should not be desecrated unnecessarily--marijuana as a harmful intoxicant (I am prepared to defend this position) is a desecration of the temple. Next, drugs would mess up your priorities as they ought to be--your priority would be getting high, not God.

Further, follow the law of the land.

There are 3 reasons why Christians oughtn't to do drugs.

*applauds*

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

People have died in car crashes resulting from marijuana inebriation. QED.

Though said people were also found to have alcohol in their system simultaneously...so, which was the culprit ?

quote:Originally posted by Lucky:

What if you lived in amsterdam?

If you were a citizen of Amsterdam, you would be LEGALLY allowed to smoke.

However, anything that causes clouding of the mind is to be considered a descration of the "temple", as has been mentioned many times so far.

quote:Originally posted by titoman:

What about alcohol? Alcohol is an intoxicant, and the Bible says that Jesus drank wine, doesn't it?

The calibre of the wine Jesus drank was not the same as the wine we drink today.

We have much more potent wine than the Jews did...but they also drank with every meal, and as a result had a higher tolerance.

You'd have to try really hard to get drunk from wine back in Jesus' day, and therefore you would be intentionally destructive to your own mindset and physicality.

Flame me for not remembering the exact date but somewhere between 1500 and 1650 the Catholic Church said Marijuana was evil. The Bible never mentions it; it was just a preachers opinion.

All natural drugs(that I can think of) that produce highs are experiences that teach us from a different point of view if not abused. Abuseing results to bad things like everthing else that you take to much that your own body can't handle. Just using leads to open-minded people that understand.

Hemp does not damage the body if used and not abused and if it did then our bodies will be able to recover from it. If god made everthing then we should not deny the gifts.

Also cannabis was outlawed by racist people who didn't understand what it did complety and accused Blacks and Mexicains of become violent because of it. Most lab test done were goverment funded studies that were complety biased. When Japan was occupied after WW2 by the U.S. they passed the law in Japan that it shall be outlawed which was completey bias. Soon many contries followed the world leaders and outlawed for themselves .

quote:Originally posted by kieren:

What does the bible have to say on cannabis?

I've read a fair bit about it, and it seems that the bible doesn't push in either direction. It's neither something you should do, nor something you shouldn't do.

Being at a really christian school, there is a large selection of people to discuss it with around me. Although there is no varying opinion, they all believe it is an incredibly unbiblical thing to do, always using the same evidence. Either that drunkeness is a sin, or that you should always be in your own mind.

Being both agnostic and a regular smoker, my opinion possibly doesn't mean much. But what are the unbiased opinions out there?



As far as the act of smoking marijuana or just smoking that is not a sin though if you become addicted and you inevitably will it can lead you into lots of sinful activity such as stealing or anything to obtain your high or nicotien(forgive my mis spelling)and as far as being agnostic you have thrown away meaning and purpose in your life , my interpreted meaning of life achieveing salvation any acomplishment or high is only a temporary solution to the inevitability of death in witch all youve acomplished or felt will be forgotton

quote:Originally posted by MidnightAssassin:

God made plants, man made beer. Who do you trust?



On another note:

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -Ben Franklin



man also made fire...

http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

quote:Originally posted by z.neocide:



...Also cannabis was outlawed by racist people who didn't understand what it did complety and accused Blacks and Mexicains of become violent because of it. Most lab test done were goverment funded studies that were complety biased. When Japan was occupied after WW2 by the U.S. they passed the law in Japan that it shall be outlawed which was completey bias. Soon many contries followed the world leaders and outlawed for themselves .

I believe this conversation was intended to remain in the realm of morality. Your argument that government can be related to God or a higher being, etc. of man supports the incorrect notion of old (and that unfortunately still exists today) that human authority should be revered. I'm not saying that you trust government (it seems evident that you don't), i'm just saying that your comparison is irrelevant; HUMAN authority should not be anthropithisized.

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

Several of you (notably, crazed hamster and snoopy) are arguing with people who have merely presented facts. It's fine to disagree but don't kill the messenger.

The Bible states that the body is a temple and should not be desecrated unnecessarily--marijuana as a harmful intoxicant (I am prepared to defend this position) is a desecration of the temple. Next, drugs would mess up your priorities as they ought to be--your priority would be getting high, not God.

Further, follow the law of the land.

There are 3 reasons why Christians oughtn't to do drugs.

so marijuana is a harmful intoxicant and youre ready to defend that position? do so.

anything you propose as harmful i will shoot down right now.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

We are to follow the laws of our government, so that no one can find us worthy of blame.

Jesus says to follow the logic of your leaders, because they did not come into power without God's knowledge or permission.

Therefore, since the law says we must not smoke it, we shouldn't.

so.... youre saying that god supported clinton? and that i should follow laws that he made?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Smoking was not the intended purpose of the cannabis plant.

Hemp can be used for a good many useful things...carcinogenic abuse is not one of them.

how do you figure? bible never says anything like that

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

The calibre of the wine Jesus drank was not the same as the wine we drink today.

We have much more potent wine than the Jews did...but they also drank with every meal, and as a result had a higher tolerance.

You'd have to try really hard to get drunk from wine back in Jesus' day, and therefore you would be intentionally destructive to your own mindset and physicality.

so smoking schwag is ok by this logic.

quote:Originally posted by Heimdall the watcher:

Wait a minute... stay with me... a thought coming... weed... IS the holy spirit!!! OMG!!!

actually, yes.

moses got visions by setting a whole bush of weed on fire, jesus smoked, and healed people using weed and oil, and as a result, he became very peacefull. the high could only be explained to them as the holy spirit, cose they had no medical knowledge to know it was thc.

at that time, weed was very present. the ate the seeds at allmost every meal, and all their clothes and ropes were made out of the fibers, cose they had no cotton. weed grows easily, and was THE first plant cultivated by man. the bread that jesus shared with his disciples was probably made out of cannabis. thats what most of the bread was made out of at that time.

what do you think the bible was made out of?(hint: it starts with w, ends with d, and has ee in the middle)

read about rastafari culture, its very interesting. according to them, jesus was black. that would seem logical. imagine the surprise of his parents if they had had a white child!

FALLACIOUS !

Let's have some PROOF !

I'd like some verses that say the burning bush was MARIJUANA, and that Jesus smoked it, please.

Leading authorities piss me off.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

The calibre of the wine Jesus drank was not the same as the wine we drink today.

We have much more potent wine than the Jews did...but they also drank with every meal, and as a result had a higher tolerance.

You'd have to try really hard to get drunk from wine back in Jesus' day, and therefore you would be intentionally destructive to your own mindset and physicality.



... Really? That's your answer? Well you're wrong.

1. You can make "homemade" wine that is much more stronger that what is commonly produced these days.

2. Alcohol tolerance does not change the fact that it still "clouds the mind". It will take more quantaties, sure, but you'll never get to the point where alcohol doesn't "cloud your mind".

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quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

We are supposed to follow the laws of land, unless they cause us to go against our God.

But I am sure you knew that.

Follow. Obey. Die in obscurity like the rest of the world.

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:

What? There can't be a non-biased opinion when it comes to questions of morality and religion

no

quote:Originally posted by Theyellowdart:



As far as the act of smoking marijuana or just smoking that is not a sin though if you become addicted and you inevitably will it can lead you into lots of sinful activity such as stealing or anything to obtain your high or nicotien(forgive my mis spelling)and as far as being agnostic you have thrown away meaning and purpose in your life , my interpreted meaning of life achieveing salvation any acomplishment or high is only a temporary solution to the inevitability of death in witch all youve acomplished or felt will be forgotton

Addiction? A psychological dependance MAYBE, but I wouldn't go as far to call it an addiction.

Lead to sinful activity such as stealing?

Bullshit. I've been smoking on and off for the last year or so. Sometimes daily, sometimes weekly, sometimes monthly. I've never been in the posistion where I was so desperate for pot, that I have stolen anything for my high or "nicotien"(Is it just me, or are anti-drug radicals are terrible at spelling, grammer and sentance structure?) I don't smoke tobacco, which is highly addictive (and also legal...)

Alcohol IS habit forming, you hear of people committing sinful acts either to obtain alcohol or whilst under the influence of alcohol, yet if we were to ban it together, the catholic church would not be happy.

I feel life is there to enjoy, whether it was created by some deity, or just by some miniscule chance. If the latter is true, then it isn't a sin at all. If the former is true, why was cannabis created in the first place?, with the THC and all.

It's like buying a small kid a toy, putting it in the middle of the room, not telling him whether he's allowed to play with it or not, and the second he touches it, you dive out "GOTCHA!" and tell him off.

So many herbs and plants are used for their medicinal properties, and if I said I drank a herbal tea each night to relax me and put me to bed, it wouldn't be a problem. What's so different about marijuana? It just happens to have stronger and more noticable effects then alot of other plants. Mankind has been using hallucinogens for thousands of years to invoke spiritual visions. They have been using sacraments in so many rituals. It's only recentley they've been told this is wrong.

Fuck you, and fuck the thousands of ignorant christians out there. I have immense respect for someone who can have that much faith in anything. But so many of you are so closed minded. I'm happy to listen to your beliefs and views, but you will never listen to mine.

quote:Originally posted by kieren:

Addiction? A psychological dependance MAYBE, but I wouldn't go as far to call it an addiction.

Lead to sinful activity such as stealing?

Bullshit. I've been smoking on and off for the last year or so. Sometimes daily, sometimes weekly, sometimes monthly. I've never been in the posistion where I was so desperate for pot, that I have stolen anything for my high or "nicotien"(Is it just me, or are anti-drug radicals are terrible at spelling, grammer and sentance structure?) I don't smoke tobacco, which is highly addictive (and also legal...)

Alcohol IS habit forming, you hear of people committing sinful acts either to obtain alcohol or whilst under the influence of alcohol, yet if we were to ban it together, the catholic church would not be happy.

I feel life is there to enjoy, whether it was created by some deity, or just by some miniscule chance. If the latter is true, then it isn't a sin at all. If the former is true, why was cannabis created in the first place?, with the THC and all.

It's like buying a small kid a toy, putting it in the middle of the room, not telling him whether he's allowed to play with it or not, and the second he touches it, you dive out "GOTCHA!" and tell him off.

So many herbs and plants are used for their medicinal properties, and if I said I drank a herbal tea each night to relax me and put me to bed, it wouldn't be a problem. What's so different about marijuana? It just happens to have stronger and more noticable effects then alot of other plants. Mankind has been using hallucinogens for thousands of years to invoke spiritual visions. They have been using sacraments in so many rituals. It's only recentley they've been told this is wrong.

Fuck you, and fuck the thousands of ignorant christians out there. I have immense respect for someone who can have that much faith in anything. But so many of you are so closed minded. I'm happy to listen to your beliefs and views, but you will never listen to mine.

im a christian and im totally with you on marijuana not being a sin. all christians are not like him so please dont group me together with that asshole. i just dont think that god will turn me away from heaven for smoking weed. i feel worse about flaming that ignorant asshole than i do about smoking weed. (and i dont feel bad)

how many times does it need to be proven that marijuana isnt bad for you? cigaretts are worse for you than pot and i know tons of christians who smoke cigaretts and are totally against weed for no other reason than stupid laws and propiganda born from ignorance and close-mindedness. im still waiting for that guy to post some harmful facts on marijuana. sure smoking anything isnt great for you, but you dont smoke 2 packs of marijuana as you would cigaretts (wich are legal).

digital savior, i'll probly see you in heaven (assuming you get there) even though i smoked weed all these years we can argue about it then because right now im POSITIVE im right and youre positive youre right so we'll see.

quote:Originally posted by boom booms n bud:

im a christian and im totally with you on marijuana not being a sin. all christians are not like him so please dont group me together with that asshole.

It's all good. I know alot of christians I quite like and get along well with.

It wasn't really meant to be a blanket statement, but it did kinda come across as one. There are just so many closed minded christians out there, who will spout their beliefs at you, and then completely close off when you try to explain yours.

No hard feelings?

quote:Originally posted by kieren:

It's all good. I know alot of christians I quite like and get along well with.

It wasn't really meant to be a blanket statement, but it did kinda come across as one. There are just so many closed minded christians out there, who will spout their beliefs at you, and then completely close off when you try to explain yours.

No hard feelings?



ya its all good, i was just trying to point out that were not all like that, and that his kind of attitude may be the reason for the decline of the christian religion in young people and others. there are easy going christians who arent in the church and preaching to others 24/7.

considering God put the buds on earth.. i dont think it would be unholy or whatever to blaze. I mean come on, if smoking a plant that was put here by God himself is a sin well thats a pretty fucked up God.

Ok, here's my belief on the whole dope smoking is bad for you. Yes it's bad for you. You're not going to go to hell for doing it. Unless of course you use it in the wrong way. Weed is a tool. It's like a wrench or hammer. Now God didn't ever say a hammer is a sin to use to drive a nail, but it is bad if you use it to compoundly fracture someone's skull. I believe that if you smoke it, and use it as a teacher to show you good, it can't possibly be bad. God didn't create weed to get high, but he knew that by making the plant a native to a hostile environment, the plant produces resins that protect the plant from sun and arid conditions, plus the psychoactive abilities were originally intended to kill insects and small animals to deter them from eating the plant. Hey, God gave us free will to do whatever the hell we want, just we'll face the consequenses of our actions, good or bad. So, I think, if you wanna smoke, go for it. I think you'll be damned much more for drinking alcohol as opposed to smoking a doobie.

Think about this - how many crimes are committed under the influence of weed as opposed to alcohol? How many people die every year from alcohol and tobacco related deaths as compared to weed? We all know these facts so I don't think it's necessary to say them again.

In fact, if I ever met God, I'd like to sit down with him, and ask politely if we could have a meaningful conversation over a vaporized hit or two. That way he couldn't say you're killing yourself at all because vapor has no carcinogens in it. I bet he'd be up for it.

quote:Originally posted by stncld316555:

considering God put the buds on earth.. i dont think it would be unholy or whatever to blaze. I mean come on, if smoking a plant that was put here by God himself is a sin well thats a pretty fucked up God.

Think about the tree in the garden. God put that there...

Whatever. I smoke weed. I could care less. I'm God's eyes and ears. We'll judge eachother in the end. Collective conscience and all that.

If someone were to get you a gift, and you let it sit in your closet till it became old, decrepid and useless, except for using the parts to fashion a new one with heavy repair, that would disrespect the person who gave it to you, no?

So therefore, not blazing the buds that grow on marijuanna, and instead, letting the plant die, and rot, and regrow into a new plant (not necesarily hemp) disrespects the one who crafted the marijuanna (god), no?