The following is a quote from a post i made. It really got me thinking. Its on the abortion issue. Where is the line that says its ok, and where is the line that says murder?

quote:I agree with you there. But who is the mother to say that her child should die. Here is my argument, you see mothers killing her children all the time on the news. What happens? They are tried and convicted for murder.

Now, who is she to determine whether or not her child should live or die? She is not the peson to decide that. Thats why she goes to jail. But equally, who are you as a mother to say whether or not your unborn child lives or dies?

The crux of the abortion matter lies at this and this alone. What is it to be human?

You can plainly tells its a human near the end of the pregnancy. Yet you have late abortions. So its not human then? When is it considered human? When it comes through the birth canal? What about those children whoes mothers have died and the doctors must exume them from the womb?

Then for arguments sake lets say that when the child is no longer inside the mother is it a human. What then if a mother who had an invitrofertilization wished to abort? The baby was not inside her, so by that merit it was human.

You can tell which side im on. I dont want to come at the argument with religion, i want to come with reason. When are you human? It certainly cannot be the human DNA strand that makes us human. Ohh no, several minutes after conception can one find that!

Anyway, i think that this question absolutely must be answered before we even think about anymore abortions.

If you will entertain this question and dont mind the double post id be much satisfied. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Life begins when you can say fuck!

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

Life begins when you can say fuck!

sometimes,just sometimes ,the smackhead sociopath from belgium says something quite profound....

wrong but still profound.

What is a human? When a sperm from a human male gets inside an egg from a human female. That's my definition. An unpopular one, but that's what I think.

quote:Originally posted by jackketch:

sometimes,just sometimes ,the smackhead sociopath from belgium says something quite profound....

wrong but still profound.

Yaaarrr, dumbfucks are arrogant enough to decide on what's right and what's wrong.

God, the immortal, gives you life only so you can receive death. You're a link in a chain. By default, we humans should channel everything in our power to hate such a force. Hate it and kill it inch by inch, until it sees everything it has created burn around itself into human corruption.

The sole fact that we can defy the way God, the way nature intended us to live and die, is what makes us human. We don't need to live by their rules. Nature screws up and people are born with disfigurements, mental diseases and lacking body parts. Why should we praise such an imperfection? Cause God wills it?! I will God get fucked.

Read up. (http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/film/swflash.html)

Because we can defy God, does that mean we should? If God is perfect, then wouldn't his will for us be for our own good?

Defying God is what makes us human. Animals don't defy God. Animals are dumb creatures. Animals will die out like God intends them to, but we won't. God isn't perfect, he's a douchebag. Anal douchebag.

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

Life begins when you can say fuck!

FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

These *individuals* dont get taht a fetus is just a bundle of cells and not aware or anything.

[This message has been edited by titan88 (edited 06-01-2005).]

To be a full person you must be an adult. Until then your parents hold onto most of your rights and can kill you in some circumstances. To be human as in Homo Sapien you must be able to get someone pregnant or imprenate someone and produce a viable offspring, that is the only way to prove it.

quote:Originally posted by Snoopy:

Defying God is what makes us human. Animals don't defy God. Animals are dumb creatures. Animals will die out like God intends them to, but we won't. God isn't perfect, he's a douchebag. Anal douchebag.

Wayyy to go man thats deep http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

Quit your bitching and stop victimizing yourself. You're no better than a stereotypical angry redneck. RAAAARWWW snoopy! You imagine a world full of like-minded people and will never shut up until everyone beleives what you do, oh wait...isnt that what christians do? Hypocrite. Shut up. We dont need leeches like you on earth, either learn to tolerate or kill yourself.

Why I give abortion a thumbs up irregardless of the humanity aspect:

Lower population=more for those who are alive.

Abortion is the most easily accessible method of legal population control within the human species. Without it, our population just here in America would be above our means of production, sending even more of our GDP into the hole as China picks up our slack and sells our shortcomings back at us.

America needs a catastrophe or a major step-up in abortions to reduce the population enough for our economy to reign supreme once again. We have no problem killing adults to fuel our economy, why not fetuses? ...since it takes a good 16.75 years on average before an embryo has developed into a member of the work-force, I figure abortion is a much more viable approach to keeping America alive.

quote:Originally posted by Spic Power:

Wayyy to go man thats deep http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

Quit your bitching and stop victimizing yourself. You're no better than a stereotypical angry redneck. RAAAARWWW snoopy! You imagine a world full of like-minded people and will never shut up until everyone beleives what you do, oh wait...isnt that what christians do? Hypocrite. Shut up. We dont need leeches like you on earth, either learn to tolerate or kill yourself.

You're a spic. Spic = animal.

I won't dignify you with an answer because you are too stupid to understand my posts.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

America needs a catastrophe or a major step-up in abortions to reduce the population enough for our economy to reign supreme once again.

If that was the case all that would be needed to keep the population down would be to stop allowing immigration. Under-developed countries are the only ones that have significant population growth. The reason China is doing great and America is tanking is people in America have too high standards. They want to be paid well for the work they do and live like kings. In China people work for next to nothing and live like poor people here.

quote:.... a much more viable approach to keeping America alive.

and why would any sane person want to do that???

Life began ~4 billion years ago and is still going on today. Many species of animals practice infanticide much more than humans, but humans do it.

There is always some competition between the fetus and the mother. The fetus is the vessle that holds the mother's genes but it requires much resources to bring the fetus to term and then raise a child, so sometimes it is in the mothers best interest to end a pregnancy. The female reproductive systems has many mechanism that will induce an abortion (miscarriages) in order to increase the fitness of the mother.

This is life. When we come to the issue of abortion in modern human society things start to get murky. Social agendas and being pushed and religion may be manipulated as a means to do this. One social agenda is the question of who has the right to control reproduction? The man or the woman? If you give women the option of abortion they are in control of their reproductive systems, this goes against a status quo that has been around for THOUSANDS AND THOUSAND of years. In the majority of human societies throughout history the men have had control over reproduction.