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Unwyred
2005-06-03, 18:39
Modern Christianity makes me physically ill, it really does. You see, God doesn't put up with bullshit, and that's exactly what he's getting from modern day Christians that go to Church or read the Bible.

If you analyze it with history and Christian mythos, it makes sense.

You see, according to Christian mythos, while the Israelites were camped at the base of Mount Sinai, God himself called Moses to the top of the mountain to give him the Ten Commandments. Written by God himself and given to mankind, these were the rules which God set for us to live by.

The First and Second Commandments (important to this argument) are as follows:

"I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt..."

"You shall have no other gods besides Me...Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."

But we'll get back to that later.

Now on to the origins of the Bible.

In the first three centuries, the church found itself in a hostile environment. On the one hand, it grappled with the challenge of relating the language of the gospel, developed in a Hebraic and Jewish-Christian context, to a Graeco-Roman world. On the other hand, it was threatened not only by persecution, but also by ideas that were in conflict with the biblical witness.

In A.D. 312, Constantine won control of the Roman Empire in the battle of Milvian Bridge. Attributing his victory to the intervention of Jesus Christ, he elevated Christianity to favored status in the empire. "One God, one Lord, one faith, one church, one empire, one emperor" became his motto. The new emperor soon discovered that "one faith and one church" were fractured by theological disputes, especially conflicting understandings of the nature of Christ, long a point of controversy. Arius, a priest of the church in Alexandria, asserted that the divine Christ, the Word through whom all things have their existence, was created by God before the beginning of time. Therefore, the divinity of Christ was similar to the divinity of God, but not of the same essence. Arius was opposed by the bishop, Alexander, together with his associate and successor, Athanasius. They affirmed that the divinity of Christ, the Son, is of the same substance as the divinity of God, the Father. To hold otherwise, they said, was to open the possibility of polytheism, and to imply that knowledge of God in Christ was not final knowledge of God. To counter a widening rift within the church, Constantine convened a council in Nicaea in A.D. 325. A creed reflecting the position of Alexander and Athanasius was written and signed by a majority of the bishops. Nevertheless, the two parties continued to battle each other. In A.D. 381, a second council met in Constantinople. It adopted a revised and expanded form of the A.D. 325 creed, now known as the Nicene Creed, which is as follows:

We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

This is when the Church began to be an organized religion, and the version of the Bible we know was translated thenafter in 340 A.D.

Here is the important part though; remember those two Commandments? Those were written by God himself, and this can be referenced to in the earliest of Hebrew writings. God is infallible, he cannot make mistakes.

Man, though inspired by the Holy Spirit, wrote the Bible, and through thousands of years, it has no doubt changed far from what was intended. Man is fallible, and this is a given.

The way this false representation of God's word is being portrayed in modern Christianity as "The Word of God" is a blaspheme against the Second Commandment, as it has become the proverbial Golden Calf made in the image of God, but not of God himself.

This is why all Christians are going to Hell according to their own religion and history. Blasphemers.

niggersexual
2005-06-03, 18:53
I didn't read your post but I do agree that most Christians are going to Hell if there is such thing.

Maccabee
2005-06-03, 18:58
ew.. the Xtians are gonna beat your ass... (must watch from sidelines)...

costley
2005-06-03, 19:02
let me ask you something

are you a Christian?

if not, then you my friend are going hell not Christians

you cant just categorise Christians like that.

i dont say ALL americans are shit heads cos theyve got a shitty president do i?

so your saying possibly cause uve met some "bad" Christians that theyre all like that!

Unwyred
2005-06-03, 19:12
quote:Originally posted by costley:

let me ask you something

are you a Christian?

if not, then you my friend are going hell not Christians

you cant just categorise Christians like that.

i dont say ALL americans are shit heads cos theyve got a shitty president do i?

so your saying possibly cause uve met some "bad" Christians that theyre all like that!



Try reading the post, idiot.

costley
2005-06-03, 19:29
too long... wudnt waste my time reading it

Unwyred
2005-06-03, 19:35
quote:Originally posted by costley:

too long... wudnt waste my time reading it

If you're too much of a lazy dumbass to even read the thread, don't bother replying. I'm getting better replies from Half-Baked on this topic than in here.

Jasper Jones
2005-06-03, 20:47
I'm not sure words classify as a sculpted image, but that could have been perverted through the years as well.

Wouldn't it be ironic if Christians realized God told them "I am your God, do not create religion."

ArgonPlasma2000
2005-06-03, 20:53
I wont even begin to say where in your argument your wrong. Suffice to say your argument is entirely false because you say that God doesnt make mistakes yet His word says the Bible was divinely inspired and that His word is preserved.

So by saying that it is not the same today as it was back then defeats your own argument. Not to mention you used a false tranlation.

Also nowhere did you say why Christians are goingto hell, so you also defeat your own argument.

Anderson
2005-06-03, 20:56
Yeah Costley, you illiterate fuck.



[This message has been edited by Anderson (edited 06-03-2005).]

osmandius
2005-06-03, 21:02
quote:Originally posted by Unwyred:

Modern Christianity makes me physically ill, it really does. You see, God doesn't put up with bullshit, and that's exactly what he's getting from modern day Christians that go to Church or read the Bible.

If you analyze it with history and Christian mythos, it makes sense.

You see, according to Christian mythos, while the Israelites were camped at the base of Mount Sinai, God himself called Moses to the top of the mountain to give him the Ten Commandments. Written by God himself and given to mankind, these were the rules which God set for us to live by.

The First and Second Commandments (important to this argument) are as follows:

"I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt..."

"You shall have no other gods besides Me...Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."

But we'll get back to that later.

Now on to the origins of the Bible.

In the first three centuries, the church found itself in a hostile environment. On the one hand, it grappled with the challenge of relating the language of the gospel, developed in a Hebraic and Jewish-Christian context, to a Graeco-Roman world. On the other hand, it was threatened not only by persecution, but also by ideas that were in conflict with the biblical witness.

In A.D. 312, Constantine won control of the Roman Empire in the battle of Milvian Bridge. Attributing his victory to the intervention of Jesus Christ, he elevated Christianity to favored status in the empire. "One God, one Lord, one faith, one church, one empire, one emperor" became his motto. The new emperor soon discovered that "one faith and one church" were fractured by theological disputes, especially conflicting understandings of the nature of Christ, long a point of controversy. Arius, a priest of the church in Alexandria, asserted that the divine Christ, the Word through whom all things have their existence, was created by God before the beginning of time. Therefore, the divinity of Christ was similar to the divinity of God, but not of the same essence. Arius was opposed by the bishop, Alexander, together with his associate and successor, Athanasius. They affirmed that the divinity of Christ, the Son, is of the same substance as the divinity of God, the Father. To hold otherwise, they said, was to open the possibility of polytheism, and to imply that knowledge of God in Christ was not final knowledge of God. To counter a widening rift within the church, Constantine convened a council in Nicaea in A.D. 325. A creed reflecting the position of Alexander and Athanasius was written and signed by a majority of the bishops. Nevertheless, the two parties continued to battle each other. In A.D. 381, a second council met in Constantinople. It adopted a revised and expanded form of the A.D. 325 creed, now known as the Nicene Creed, which is as follows:

We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

This is when the Church began to be an organized religion, and the version of the Bible we know was translated thenafter in 340 A.D.

Here is the important part though; remember those two Commandments? Those were written by God himself, and this can be referenced to in the earliest of Hebrew writings. God is infallible, he cannot make mistakes.

Man, though inspired by the Holy Spirit, wrote the Bible, and through thousands of years, it has no doubt changed far from what was intended. Man is fallible, and this is a given.

The way this false representation of God's word is being portrayed in modern Christianity as "The Word of God" is a blaspheme against the Second Commandment, as it has become the proverbial Golden Calf made in the image of God, but not of God himself.

This is why all Christians are going to Hell according to their own religion and history. Blasphemers.





I never knew a guy who shaved his pubes could be this intelligent. Good argument, but (and heres the flaw) the majority of christians don't worship the bible, my own bible is absolutely filthy, covered in highlighter and represents a tv times more than it does a holy book - that isn't how you would treat a god/false idol.

And here is the next flaw, yes there is another - ive been going to church for fourteen years, and not once have i ever heard, seen or indeed smelt the bible being worshipped, true it is written by man and as you said yourself under the influence of the holy spirit so that is why the majority of christians read the bible under the influence of the holy spirit makes sense in a round about way eh?

LostCause
2005-06-03, 23:22
This thread annoys me so I'm closing it.

That's right, I'm closing it without having any good reason for doing so other than that it annoys me.

If you have a problem with that you can post a thread complaining about it.

And I will close that one, too.

Cheers,

Lost