How come he didn't have messahs(sp?) in all the countries in the world. I mean come on he only helped the jews then Jeues came and saved us then kind of faded away without helping the Native Americans, Asians, or other races?

Isn't it obvious enough? God's a racist. That's why Jesus is portrayed as being white even though he was clearly born in the middle east.

[This message has been edited by Paradise Lost (edited 06-10-2005).]

About god being a racist......First of all nowhere in the bible does it say that jesus was white or any other color.Also I have seen portraits of jesus being black.

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Perhaps god only needed 2 Messiahs, and that's where they ended up. Plus, the Jews are his chosen people and the Jews hang out in the Middle East. Actually there were tons of prophets and stuff, but it was one main bloodline he was really chill with, and then there was just Jesus who ended up by chance in the area. No reasons to just go putting out prophets and messiah's that you have no use for.

quote:Originally posted by fagwhoagogs:

About god being a racist......First of all nowhere in the bible does it say that jesus was white or any other color.Also I have seen portraits of jesus being black.

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Those portraits were used when the missionaries were trying to convert people of darker skin. They figured that the heathens would go along with it more if the messiah had the same skin tone.

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

Those portraits were used when the missionaries were trying to convert people of darker skin. They figured that the heathens would go along with it more if the messiah had the same skin tone.

Yes, and they were racists for drawing him white in the first place, nothing says either way. Christianity was awfully corrupted at that point in time, millions of Africans were being murdered through the slave trade despite god's commandment, "Thou shalt not kill". Messed up people, the narrow minded religion still draws Jesus how they like to, but nobody knows wtf Jesus looked like.

quote:Originally posted by z.neocide:

How come he didn't have messahs(sp?) in all the countries in the world. I mean come on he only helped the jews then Jeues came and saved us then kind of faded away without helping the Native Americans, Asians, or other races?

He probably did, they just weren't called messiahs. He probably contacted all the cultures, but each formed their own religion off of that. Native americans had their own contact the great spirit, and other cultures had many similair things....

I kicked God's ass back in 8th grade.

quote:Originally posted by Experimental:

He probably did, they just weren't called messiahs. He probably contacted all the cultures, but each formed their own religion off of that. Native americans had their own contact the great spirit, and other cultures had many similair things....

Right on! That nonsense about needing to be Christian to be "saved" is just, well, nonsense. An excuse for genocide.

God is not as narrow-minded as many of his followers.

QUOTE Originally posted by z.neocide:

How come he didn't have messahs(sp?) in all the countries in the world.

He died once, for ALL. Why would God need more than one? The fact that He gave us one, SHOWS us His love.

I mean come on he only helped the jews then Jeues came and saved us then kind of faded away without helping the Native Americans, Asians, or other races?

At first, i thought this was kind of a bone-headed question, but just before i started to explain that Jesus coming to help the Jews first, and then us --- "us" being all non-Jews.. which would include "Native Americans, Asians, or other races"

But then i realized that what you are really asking is: "why would it take 2000 or so years before these people would hear the Word; but what about the people that do not live that long?" "How do they get saved, if they never had the opportunity to hear the Word?"

If this is close, then also the question would include "How were people who lived before the time of Christ saved?"

.... is my understanding close to what you meant?

If i'm close, then i'm gonna cheat, and answer this using someone elses words/work. If i'm not close, then maybe you can explain your question better. Anyway...

"How were people who lived before the time of Christ saved?"

some say that those who lived before the time of Christ were saved by keeping the law. The Scriptures, however, say otherwise.

First, the Bible from 1st to last demonstrates that the saved throughout history come to faith in exactly the same way-- by grace alone through faith alone on account of Christ(Messiah) alone. The apostle Paul quotes the Old Testament extensively to drive home the reality that no one has been, or ever will be, declared righteous by observing the Law (Romans 3:20).

Furthermore, Paul points to Abraham, the father of the Jews, to prove that salvation comes through faith apart from works that we perform. In his words, "If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about- but not before God. What does the Scripture say? 'Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness' " (Romeans 4:3; Genesis 15:6; Galatians 3:6-9).

Finally, Jesus Christ (Christ means Messiah) is the substance that fulfills the types and shadows in the O.T. (Luke 24:44; Romans 3:21-22; Hebrews 1:1-3). Each year the Jews celebrated the Passover to keep them focused on the One who was to come to die for their sins ( 1 Corinthians 5:7; Hebrews 11:28, 39-40). As Hebrews says, "The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming, not the realities themselves" (Hebrews 10:1).

Jesus Christ stands at the apex of history. Just as people today look back in history to Christ's sacrifice on the cross, so too people who lived before the time of Christ looked forward to his sacrifice for them."

Also, from the same book:

"What happens to a person who has never heard of Jesus?"

One of the most frequently asked questions on the Bible Answer Man broadcast is "What happens to those who have never heard of Jesus?" Will God condemn people to hell for not believing in someone they have never heard of?

First, people are not condemned to hell for not believing in Jesus. Rather they are already condemned because of their sin. Thus, the real question is not how can God send someone to hell, but how can God condescend to save any one of us?-- (bold tags used for mine emphasis)

Furthermore, if ignorance were a ticket to heaven, the greatest evangelistic enterprise would not be a "Billy Graham" crusade, but a concerted cover-up campaign. Such a campaign would focus on ending evangelism, burning Bibles, and closing churches. Soon no one will have heard of Christ and everyone will be on their way to heaven.

Finally, it should be emphasized that everyone has the light of both creation and conscience. God is not capricious! If we resond to the light we have, God will give us more light. In the words of the apostle Paul: "From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live. God did this so that men would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us". (Acts 17:26-27)".

The book that i just copied is called THE BIBLE ANSWER BOOK by Hank Hanegraaff

In my opinion, the second answer.. even though it is correct and complete (from a believers understanding).. it falls way short for non-believers...

So, i'm gonna try to help by adding my two cents worth...

on second thought, i'm not going to, because i think it'll add more confusion than i am prepared to straighten out... but i will watch the thread and see if it goes in the direction that i hope and think it might... if it does, then i can toss in my comments.

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

Isn't it obvious enough? God's a racist. That's why Jesus is portrayed as being white even though he was clearly born in the middle east.

Oh sure. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif) God is the one that portrayed Jesus as white. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

Oh sure. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif) God is the one that portrayed Jesus as white. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)



I know, I was being sarcastic and kidding around.

QUOTE Originally posted by T-BagBikerStar:

Perhaps god only needed 2 Messiahs,

I understand that some Jews think/thought that there would be two, but that is/was "conjectur". (i'm not cutting down the understanding, i'm just letting you know that i am aware of this view)

Plus, the Jews are his chosen people and the Jews hang out in the Middle East. ... but it was one main bloodline he was really chill with,

How do i put this, without offending you?

Does "the chosen people" mean that they were special, and that is why God chose them? Or, were the special because He chose them?

quote:Originally posted by fagwhoagogs:

About god being a racist......First of all nowhere in the bible does it say that jesus was white or any other color.

But it does say Jews are his favorite.

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

Oh sure. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif) God is the one that portrayed Jesus as white. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)



I know, I was being sarcastic and kidding around.





ok, sorry... sometimes its hard to see sarcasm in this forum.. half the time people are being serious and the other half...

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

But it does say Jews are his favorite.

Yeah but according to the Bible after Jesus's death that the Jews are no longer the chosen people of God.

quote:Originally posted by ArmsMerchant:

Right on! That nonsense about needing to be Christian to be "saved" is just, well, nonsense. An excuse for genocide.

God is not as narrow-minded as many of his followers.

Nice to see you still read Totse!

However you must admit that Christians are forced to believe that you have to be saved because thats what our religion says. So if youve got a problem with it, take it up with our God, not us.