I always knew these guys were wackos, but I just heard something about "The Church" and looked it up. They have an entry on http://rickross.com : the site that studies cult activity, and I came across this time magazine article (http://tinyurl.com/b3gkz) written some time ago. I had never read it before and I certainly wasn't aware of the extent of this cult's depravity. This is the worst religious organisation since the Catholic Church of the middle ages and it's growing richer and more powerful by the day, and being practised by some of America's most famous celebrities. Everybody should beware of this horrible mindtrap and keep your pocket books closed to all celebrities who practise it.

quote:A Summary of the Story of Xenu (a fundamental tennet of Scientology):

Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack.

Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan.

Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers).



These DC8 space planes then flew to planet Earth where the paralysed people were stacked around the bases of volcanoes in their hundreds of billions. When they had finished stacking them around then H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes. Xenu then detonated all the H-bombs at the same time and everyone was killed.

The story doesn't end there though. Since everyone has a soul (called a "thetan" in this story) then you have to trick souls into not coming back again. So while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by the nuclear winds he had special electronic traps that caught all the souls in electronic beams (the electronic beams were sticky like fly-paper).

After he had captured all these souls he had them packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas. There all the souls had to spend days watching special 3D motion pictures that told them what life should be like and many confusing things. In this film they were shown false pictures and told they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story this process is called "implanting".

When the films ended and the souls left the cinema these souls started to stick together because since they had all seen the same film they thought they were the same people. They clustered in groups of a few thousand. Now because there were only a few living bodies left they stayed as clusters and inhabited these bodies.

As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and they locked him away in a mountain on one of the planets. He is kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery and Xenu is still alive today.

That is the end of the story. And so today everyone is full of these clusters of souls called "body thetans". And if we are to be a free soul then we have to remove all these "body thetans" and pay lots of money to do so. And the only reason people believe in God and Christ was because it was in the film their body thetans saw 75 million years ago.

Well what did you think of that story?

What? You thought it was a stupid story?

Well so do we. However, this story is the core belief in the religion known as Scientology.* If people knew about this story then most people would never get involved in it. This story is told to you when you reach one of their secret levels called OT III. After that you are supposed to telepathically communicate with these body thetans to make them go away. You have to pay a lot of money to get to this level and do this (or you have to work very hard for the organisation on extremely low pay for many years).

*shakes head*

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*bangs head on desk*

Do they have anything to support this? Or, are they just talking completely out of their ass?

EDIT: Is this a joke i'm not getting... no one can seriously believe that. http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

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^^^ People beilieve the universe was started on OCT 22nd 4004 BC and finished six days later. That is not as much of a stretch.

As scary as it sounds, yep that is the basic beliefs of Scientology. That is called Incident II. What is incident 1?

quote:"OT III also deals with Incident I, set four quadrillion years ago. In Incident I, the unsuspecting thetan was subjected to a loud snapping noise followed by a flood of luminescence, then saw a chariot followed by a trumpeting cherub. After a loud set of snaps, the thetan was overwhelmed by darkness. This is described as the implant offering the gateway to this universe, meaning that these traumatic memories are what separates thetans from their static (natural, godlike) state." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu





After reading this part, quote:"Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers)."

How the Hell can you believe this crap as a religion? It's not even a good sci-fi story.

Goes to show how empty and stuck in a fantasy world some of these moron celebrities that fund this scam are.

It's no wonder the church of scientology has tried to keep this secret, even from it's lower level members.

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After reading that drivel, I feel numb...

Read the time article, that's where the worst stuff is...fucking awful!

This makes me sad. It's like some guy just started rambling on and making shit up in his head... http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

It's almost like a drugged up science-fiction writer made it up or something,

From the wikipedia article,

"Hubbard was originally a pulp science fiction and adventure writer"

"Critics of Scientology have suggested that other factors may have been at work. In a letter of the time to his wife Mary Sue[11], Hubbard said that, in order to assist his research, he was drinking a great deal of rum and taking stimulants and depressants ("I'm drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys"). His assistant at the time, Virginia Downsborough, said that he "was existing almost totally on a diet of drugs."[12]"

Doesn't Scientology fund Narconon too?

I read a couple of years ago that the guy who started Scientology came up with it at a conference about what a scifi/futuristic religion would be like.

W-0-W....just...WOW...

Halfway through, I forgot why the fuck I was reading that shit in the first place. Seriously, I dont even think a 12 year old could beleive that...

quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

It's almost like a drugged up science-fiction writer made it up or something

Like "Gumby and friends"

or

"H.R. Puff'n Stuff"

people are willing to beleive some pretty ridiculous things.

eghmm, all of you religous types do.

quote:Originally posted by The Marksman:

people are willing to beleive some pretty ridiculous things.

eghmm, all of you religous types do.

Yes, but this is obviously just a story made up by a science fiction author.

so obviously is every religion

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

Like "Gumby and friends"

or

"H.R. Puff'n Stuff"

At least H. R. is my friend when things get rough. The same can't be said for L. Ron Hubbard!

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

Yes, but this is obviously just a story made up by a science fiction author.

quote:Originally posted by The Marksman:

so obviously is every religion

What the fuck? You just claimed that every religion is a story made up by a science fiction author.

Please at least read what I say before you respond.

that is exsactly what i claim

it is the truth

except its not science fiction its just fiction

quote:Originally posted by The Marksman:

that is exsactly what i claim

it is the truth

except its not science fiction its just fiction

LOL Prove it.... LOL

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

LOL Prove it.... LOL

I second this. I need a good laugh.

Okay im going to randomly select an summary of christian beleifs then point out the ridiculous statements...

We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son*, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

***************************************

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made;

^number one:what drugs is this guy on?

He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures

^so coming back to life is that easy?

And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come

^so when will the undead just come back to life all togeather?



i mean its way more complex and its been rewritten a thousand times; each time trying to sound more beleivable then before.

but even after thousands of years of revissions i still clearly see ridiculous statements used to justify vague beleifs,just blike in scientology

EDIT:

source: http:// christiani ty.about.c om/library /weekly/bl Nicene.htm (http: //christia nity.about .com/libra ry/weekly/ blNicene.htm)



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quote:Originally posted by The Marksman:

^so coming back to life is that easy?



When you're the alleged son of God it is.

^that is a ridiculous statement

hes the son of god because he comes back to life

he can come back to life because hes the son of god

its moronic

You seem to have missed my point. I was saying that Jesus is supposedly the son of God. It shouldn't be that hard for someone with godly powers to defy death.

no you missed my point

when you say his powers prove he is the son of god

you cannot say that because he is the son of god he can have those powers

because to do so would be moronic

I'm not saying that coming back to life proves he's the son of God. You're putting allegations into my mouth.

Well maybe he was the son of "aliens"... Hmm?

quote:Originally posted by The Marksman:

that is a ridiculous statement

And by calling them ridiculous statements proves what exactly?

Besides, one of those statements you find ridiculous (the creed) is based, first and foremost, on Genesis 1:1 and built from there.

In otherwords, all the beliefs pointed to in the creed, are based from the understanding that GOD is. Secondary to that, that the Bible is God's Word.

So to repeat my request more clearly, in order to prove that the Bible is a work of fiction, you must first either prove that God does not exist, or prove that the Bible is not God's Word. You claiming it is ridiculous, proves nothing...

wow, i think i'm starting to sound like Rust...NO, Let it not be so! LOL Please Rust, tell me it aint true LOL

Religion. I think I stepped in some of that yesterday! It was gross!!! It smelled of fat sweaty bald men and old farty ladies. Is that normal?

quote:Originally posted by BrightestCrayon:

It smelled of fat sweaty bald men and old farty ladies. Is that normal?

Atleast it's not fat sweaty bald women...

Actually, now that you mention it...

ill explain

scientology in your eyes is ridiculous

people beleive it anyway

christianity in my eyes is ridiculous

people beleive it anyway

you dont beleive in scientology because it is ridiculous to beleive it, simple.

so when you then say you beleive christianity.

you can see how that proves to me that scientology beleifs are no more correct then christian ones.(maybe your closed minded and you cant, but thats not my problem)

jesus rising from the dead and scientologies Xenu being locked away on a far off planet, are equally as beleivable to me.

in that i beleive neither one

they are both stupid

and jesus wont come back from the dead unless he is the sun of god im not putting anything in your mouth

things dont come back from the dead for no reason

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A quote from L. Ron Hubbard:

"The way to make a million dollars is to start a religion."

Good to see a man with some ambition http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

I agree with Mark.

Many see xenu being locked away on another planet as stupid.

But they see God chaining satan up as perfectly fine.

Many see Xenu blowing people up around volcanos as stupid.

But they see God killing almost everyone with a global flood as being the truth.

Many see the idea that thetans stick to people and cause them to lose their way in a bunch of lies as stupid.

But they think Satan really does try to confuse people and lead them astray.

Many see the idea that thetans cause bad health and bad luck and clearing them off you as a way to fix things as stupid.

But they think we inherited sin from adam and eve and cleansing yourself through baptism, confesions or accepting Jesus as perfectly fine.

Etc.

quote:Originally posted by The Marksman:

ill explain

scientology in your eyes is ridiculous

people beleive it anyway

christianity in my eyes is ridiculous

people beleive it anyway

you dont beleive in scientology because it is ridiculous to beleive it, simple.

so when you then say you beleive christianity.

you can see how that proves to me that scientology beleifs are no more correct then christian ones.(maybe your closed minded and you cant, but thats not my problem)

jesus rising from the dead and scientologies Xenu being locked away on a far off planet, are equally as beleivable to me.

in that i beleive neither one

they are both stupid

and jesus wont come back from the dead unless he is the sun of god im not putting anything in your mouth

things dont come back from the dead for no reason



Even with your lax grammar and spelling I still concur with what you say.

your right they dont for no reason...BUT HE WAS THE SON OF GOD! he culd do whatever he wants...

is this your proof???

quote:Originally posted by The Marksman:

ill explain

scientology in your eyes is ridiculous

people beleive it anyway

christianity in my eyes is ridiculous

people beleive it anyway

you dont beleive in scientology because it is ridiculous to beleive it, simple.

so when you then say you beleive christianity.

you can see how that proves to me that scientology beleifs are no more correct then christian ones.(maybe your closed minded and you cant, but thats not my problem)

jesus rising from the dead and scientologies Xenu being locked away on a far off planet, are equally as beleivable to me.

in that i beleive neither one

they are both stupid

and jesus wont come back from the dead unless he is the sun of god im not putting anything in your mouth

things dont come back from the dead for no reason

For this:

quote:that is exsactly what i claim

it is the truth

except its not science fiction its just fiction



all you have stated is your justification for your opinion

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

You seem to have missed my point. I was saying that Jesus is supposedly the son of God. It shouldn't be that hard for someone with godly powers to defy death.

Your statement is still nonsense. You use the term 'godly powers' as if it means 'can do anything' (you also use it as if the term actually referred to something real). Of course somebody who can do anything can rise from the dead. Somebody who can do anything can also fly to Earth on DC8 space planes. Both statements are equally ridiculous as they are not grounded in fact and can have easily been made up.

quote:Originally posted by Sarter:

Your statement is still nonsense. You use the term 'godly powers' as if it means 'can do anything'

They wouldn't be Godly if they couldn't.

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

They wouldn't be Godly if they couldn't.

You don't know the definition of godly. Here it is:

quote:www.dictionary.com

1. Having great reverence for God; pious.

2. Divine.

And divine does not mean 'can do anything'.

However I am not trying to make the point that you used the wrong word. The point I am trying to make is that you cannot give credence to the belief that a Jesus was resurrected with hypothetical (and arbitrary) powers of the very same Jesus.

You wanted proof that the bible is fiction?

I will prove it with the following (reasonable) assumptions:

1) That a non-fictional event is one that is possible given only reasonable assumptions.

2) That for an assumption to be reasonable it must be scientifically observable.

3) That basing a proof on reason alone is reasonable.

These assumptions use somewhat circular logic but I think you will find them reasonable, by definition.

The idea that somebody can do anything, let alone resurrect, is just plain ridiculous. With any reasonable set of assumptions, it is impossible. Since the Bible then is clearly not reasonable the only reasonable conclusion is that it is fiction.

Corollary:

The same sort of fiction that Ron L. Hubbard created a religion out of. Hubbard has in fact demonstrated how it is possible for a large number of people to believe poorly written lies.

Corollary:

Any belief that the Bible is non-fiction is unreasonable.

quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

And by calling them ridiculous statements proves what exactly?

Besides, one of those statements you find ridiculous (the creed) is based, first and foremost, on Genesis 1:1 and built from there.

In otherwords, all the beliefs pointed to in the creed, are based from the understanding that GOD is. Secondary to that, that the Bible is God's Word.

So to repeat my request more clearly, in order to prove that the Bible is a work of fiction, you must first either prove that God does not exist, or prove that the Bible is not God's Word. You claiming it is ridiculous, proves nothing...

You are of course absolutely right. He is trying to set the standard for what is ridiculous and moronic, but he never gives any reason, probably because he doesn't know why himself. He doesn't know what is REALLY "moronic" (did you also notice this is a word much liked by some people).

Better not tell him.

quote:Originally posted by The Marksman:

no you missed my point

when you say his powers prove he is the son of god

you cannot say that because he is the son of god he can have those powers

because to do so would be moronic

This is not making a point. You are just saying if he says a certain thing "that would be moronic". Making a point is providing arguments. REAL arguments. Intelligent arguments.

quote:Originally posted by BrightestCrayon:

Religion. I think I stepped in some of that yesterday! It was gross!!! It smelled of fat sweaty bald men and old farty ladies. Is that normal?

You should try the smell of ignorance, arrogance, and conceitedness. Lethal, I tell you.

I don't pretend to know everything about Scientology, because I think it is a pretty stupid pseudo-religion (well, I think most if not all religions are crap anyways).

Some things that I don't like about Hubbard:

-He beat his wives (he was a bigamist)

-He was an associate of A.Crowley, we all know about that guy, also Aleister was none too fond of Hubbard, in fact, Al himself believed L.Ron to be a con artist

-He kidnapped his daughter, which is wrong, then subsequently disowned her

-My personal opinion of him is that he's a pathological liar

Some things I don't like about Scientology:

-The Fair Game policy, which enforced the harassment of anyone the Church doesn't like

-It was created by L. Ron Hubbard

-It's a fad "religion" (come on, how many celebrities aren't Scientologists?)

-Scientologists are often slanderous of their "enemies" by meticulously researching the person in question and occasionally fabricating lies about them

-That whole espionage thing

Not just slanderous but in the past they have tried to sue groups who have tried to expose their writings or have talked bad about them.

It seems like a perfect fad religion for actors. It's like being in a sci-fi movie and the more money you give them the higher up you can go and the better it will make your life. Nothing like trying to buy happyness and good health.

Scientology a pointless waste of time energy. The same could be said about any other religion though, although the religions that don't requiere you to pay them $$$ to put electrodes on your hnads seem a bit more credible.

i dont argue with morons, if you dont understand circular logic go bother someone else.

Christianity and the like: They focus on blind faith. That is what "they" want you to believe...I cannot explain who "they" are right now.

Scientology: They focus on truth, they have brought truth, and the truth is there if you have an open mind and just fucking read!

Ever wander where you come from why you are really here?

Ever wander why there are so many UFO sightings, and why the government wants to cover them up? This is a fucking fact people! Look up the Majic documents.

Ever wander why the government and other organizations kidnap children with psychic abilities telepathy, precognitives etc...?

Ever wandered what the pyrimids are?

Ever wander about the Illuminati and why there is a fucking pyramid with an eyeball on the back of your dollar bill with the saying, "Annuit Coeptis NoVus Ordo Secloeum?" The actual translation of this is "New Worlds Order, Our Organization/Conspiracy Has Been Crowned With Success."

Ever fucking wondered why Russians and Americans made a shitload of trips back and forth to to the dark side of the moon away from eath's view?

Look up "Alternative 3" and you will find a real video of life on Mars of an underground creature. People were killed over the video. People went missing... and there is a reason why.

There is a very long thread in conspiracy...some kasung(sp?)guy has it there right now. I read part of it one day and thought it was total BS...then a few weeks later I remembered alot of things, and came to the conclusion he is not bullshitting about what is happening to him at all! He is right whether you want to believe it or not."They" want to keep you ignorant...that is their duty.

Ever thought about the galaxy next to us "Andromeda" and wondered if there was life over there?

You have a choice to stay ignorant, or learn the truth and free yourself. You would feel much more comfortable staying ignorant I have found...





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Oh lord.

My girlfriend was looking into scientology as a religion choice.



I may just have to show her the sheer stupidity of it's roots.

quote:Originally posted by I See Hell In My Eyes:

Christianity and the like: They focus on blind faith. That is what "they" want you to believe...I cannot explain who "they" are right now.

Scientology: They focus on truth, they have brought truth, and the truth is there if you have an open mind and just fucking read!

.....d wondered if there was life over there?

You have a choice to stay ignorant, or learn the truth and free yourself. You would feel much more comfortable staying ignorant I have found...

Why do i feel like i just stepped into the infomercial zone?

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

This makes me sad. It's like some guy just started rambling on and making shit up in his head... http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

My first post in this forum.

Anyway, aren't all bibles like that? I'm not at all doubting the existence of God, but when it comes to the words in bibles, all of which can be manipulated along the way, throughout time, don't you think there might be some few important details left out, here and there? Which could be plugged in with the writer's own words?

Edit: I would also like to add that big time celebrities should take a better role in "leading" the masses. We do live in a celebrity worshipping society.

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quote:Originally posted by xtreem5150ahm:

Why do i feel like i just stepped into the infomercial zone?

I have no idea...maybe you watch too much television.

quote:Originally posted by YouForgotPoland:

.....I may just have to show her the sheer stupidity of it's roots.....

I thought Mormons religion was pretty bad until reading about Scientology. Thing about it souds like a script for a movie. Therefore by theory thats why a lot of famous actors join. Its like a movie. Notice how they talk about all this technology that wasn't discovered until the 20th century. Clearly the person that started this religion was mentally insane or on drugs when they decided to start it. Like this guy lives in my town think he's the "water god" yet he buys drugs from a dealer I use to know.

im going to disregard this whole story its sounds likes its right out of a lame sci fi movie no wonder people who cant think for themsleves and have no personality (actors) belive in it

Just read most of the Time article...

People really buy into that shit?

Unbelievable.

Tom cruise is a scientologist, they have given him a phobia of X-Rays it would seem.

He explains how he narrowly avoided ruining his life by having an X-ray when he was young

“I sprained my ankle in a middle school baseball game and thank God my Mom didn’t let me get an x-ray like the podiatrist I saw recommended,” Cruise said to a surprised Winfrey. “I would never have my career and my happiness if I had. I used to be angry at my mother because I spent 15 months on crutches, but now thanks to the Church, I see how wise she was.”

And he also comments on Brooke Sheilds post-partum depression, which she wrote about in a new memoir, which is due to her losing minerals lol.

“The thing about Brooke is, like all people who harm their feet, her broken bone is caused by toxins in her blood,” Cruise said in a four-minute monologue on the topic. “But the podiatry industry wants to conduct an x-ray so they can suck the minerals out of her foot and sell them to psychiatrists, who then process them into anti-psychiatry drugs, which are forced upon children and are the leading cause of low SAT scores.”

he also stated he had donate $58 million dollars to find out these things.

http://datelinehollywood.com/archives/2005/05/29/cruise-calls-podiatrists-menace/ (http: //dateline hollywood. com/archiv es/2005/05 /29/cruise -calls-pod iatrists-m enace/)



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my mother is an x-ray technition

stupid tom cruise

I am having x-rays done today for a broken collarbone. I fully surport whatever way them there doctors/ x-ray technicians choice to use whatever minerals they get from the x-ray.

I think dude was a sick guy on drugs and I can't believe that people fall for this religion or donate 58 million dollars on it.

I can't believe so many people are comparing this bullshit to the Bible. The Bible might be a bit of a stretch, but at least it restrains it's miracles for special occasions (i.e. Jesus' rising was a pretty important event). It doesn't go all out with DC8s, H-Bombs lowered into volcanoes, sticky electronic soult-trapping beams, huge brainwashing 3D cinemas, and a mountain prison with an eternal forcefield - just to explain why people believe in Christianity.

And I think the dictionary.com definition of "godly" is a little misleading, it seems to only be accounting for people who are considered great ("divine"). I think Paradise Lost was referring to "godly" as in "omnipotence" (which is what God is in Christianity), and being omnipotent would make rising from the dead a cinch.

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this is THE worst thing since jesus.

the bible is only a more effective version of the same thing.

The more I think about how outrageous Scientology is the more I realize that most religions are extremely out there. You don't realize this because it's told to you that is how it is. But, an almighty been flooding the world is very far fetched. Santa Clause is more believable.

its worse than mormonism

Isn't John Travolta a part of this religion, too ?

As for Tom Cruise, we should all know how insane he is already, simply because of his breakup with Nicole.

WHY would you let something like THAT get away from YOU ?

I hear she has that disorder that makes her afraid of large crowds, but c'mon...

He's an idiot, no matter what way you look at him.

*LOL*

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Maybe he will be president one day :0

I had some mates join scientology so I read about it and I cannot believe how lame and obviously bullshit it is and that anyone would go for it.

I reccomend destroying it

edit: I was just reading about them, there has been so many times that they have entered a disastor area or highly emotional situation like relatives of a dead person in a car crash and tried to take advantage of the situation handing out pamphlets and trying to recruit its disgusting

[This message has been edited by farq (edited 06-25-2005).]

Today I found the link to an interview with Tom Cruise that was on the US Today Show, and towards the end he goes on a bit about Scientology, how he dislikes psychiatry, etc. It's apparent that he's quite insane. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8343367/ for anyone interested.

I also read that Time article and a bunch of other stuff on Scientology and I think it's retarded. It also disappoints me that a Totse member (I See Hell in My Eyes) would believe in this kind of bullshit. If you are a Scientologist dude, how much money has the Church extracted from you so far?

Edit: and as for your mention of "alternative 3", that's completely unrelated and also a hoax.

[This message has been edited by Steve (edited 06-26-2005).]

I love scientology if only because Battlefield: Earth is a religious movie because of their little cult. Right up there with The Passion.

He is either a complete moron, crazy, or had taken one too many drugs and needs to lay off of them. I read some of his comments. What a fucking moron thinks he knows everything because he pays people money to tell him bullshit.

Tom Cruise has ADHD he needs to take some ritalin FO SHO

Anything is possible.

Christianity just seems more plausible than ole xeno.

quote:Originally posted by The Happy Chemical:

Doesn't Scientology fund Narconon too?

Yeah, they do. The principles of Narconon are so wrong and misguided that I don't even know where to begin. Check out this link:

Narconon Exposed (http://tinyurl.com/2paum)

quote:Originally posted by I See Hell In My Eyes:



Look up "Alternative 3" and you will find a real video of life on Mars of an underground creature. People were killed over the video. People went missing... and there is a reason why.



"People were killed over that video"? Haha, Alternative 3 was a hoax, and a bad one at that.

quote:Originally posted by Sephiroth:



*shakes head*



It makes alot of sense though.

Our souls would have to be electromagnetic fields though, and that's the only thing that throws me off. I'm crazy.

Edit: Jesus christ, I knew Cruise had lost his fucking mind.

They don't like psychiatry because they base their percpective thought on not thinking. Everything happens in generality I think, no details.

You can't take anything they say literally unless you can get past the point that the details of what happened aren't important because you won't understand them because of the differences in consciousness between them and us. It does sound like a science fiction story, but that's the point.

Everything in this world came from truth at some point, some how, otherwise we would not have been able to realize the idea. We realize everything, then due to emotion we label it connotatively.

For instance, jokes. Jokes are what happens when humanity looks back on itself and realizes a downfall. Only in this case we overcome this by finding humor in it. A very serious matter that just happens to be percieved as something funny, like humor, based upon our personality limits and what we can be made to accept and to not accept directly. So basically humor is humanity making note of that fact indirectly.

The same thing with disbelief. Only disbelief isn't as positve as humor. Disbelief is caused by an area of personal rejectment where the person cannot change themself to overcome this are of disbelief by understanding it fully and acknowledging it. So to really understand something and far off and stupid sounding as this you have to try and bend yourself past the point of disbelief but to understanding or at least acknowledgement.

You may say you understand it, but your perception of understanding is obviously different from these people if you don't agree with them, so for a moment if you could change yourself to agree you can see it from their perceptive and it makes sense if you bring together all the facts.

It's really no different than Christianity and no matter how much you want to defy that propaganda shit you really have to look past the details of it to see the symbolism. As said somewhere in the link at the bottom, Jesus represents all humanity and God represents life without biasedness based on human perception, omnipotence.

That's really the key to understanding all religion. It's all based on understandable and sensible symbolic factors, but to really see them you have to look past the details, look past what's written literally to the actual concepts made. That's all learning is really, concept understanding.

I'm just talking to myself or at least very few people now, I think. But what I'm trying to say is that really bending yourself and not trying to bend or change the concept, because you don't accept it or don't like the idea because it seems a certain way to you, is really the key to understanding. Everything has it's own truth, you just need to look past yourself, your own shortcomings to see it.

Damn, I kind of tranced out and didn't realize that last bit of information didn't get typed..

I was saying that true understanding is acheived through true unbiased thought and free acceptability of other thought. I call it neutral thought, it's what omnipotence is based on. God is supposedly, wow I just rembered that I'm sure I correctly entered what I wrote earlier and it was just a glitch that those few paragraphs weren't shown in thread. I just started typing again to continue and the letters were erasing each other.

hst wrote earlier was some seriously broken down shit about Christianity and religion, maybe it's not meant to be said. I guess another time...I guess I'll just go with it...

See what sleep deprivation does to a person?

Sorry, if anyone read that and it was incoherent.

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quote:Originally posted by Ash:

Anything is possible.

Christianity just seems more plausible than ole xeno.

This guy gets it.

Wrong forum, any Scientology topics belong in Half Baked.



That was just a joke.



Just for fun imagine being raised and surrounded by Scientology for your entire life. Now how crazy would it sound if you heard about a religion that has a person transform bread into flesh and wine into blood every Sunday. Also, the followers believe that the flesh and blood is from their god who died and came back to life about 2000 years ago. You might think to yourself, "What kind of savages would eat the flesh and drink the blood of their god? I don't even think a 12 year old kid could believe this crazy shit and join their cult."



This situation was not made for accuracy or to prove or disprove anything. In case you were wondering I don’t believe in Scientology.



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quote:In the 1960s the guru decreed that humans are made of clusters of spirits (or "thetans") who were banished to earth some 75 million years ago by a cruel galactic ruler named Xenu.

*Clears throat*

Humans haven't even been around for 75 million year, buddy. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

To add to this

Tom Cruise is a moron. Not just because of his 'x-rays steal minerals that are then made into drugs' rant, but because his claim that scientology is compatible with christianity.

According to what I have read, thetans were programed with false information, such as christianity. They stick to us and transfer these programs to us, making us believe false things like christianity. The goal of scientology is to remove thetans from your body. In other words, scientology things christianity is a lie and needs to be removed from people.

The moron doesn't seem to even know his own religion.

Tom Cruise has been making scientology look like such a bunch of shit, I bet if he ever stopped giving them money he would all of a sudden disappear.

quote:Originally posted by :

Hey, all you christians out there. I used to think that Christianity was a load of bullshit, demanding, uptight, stupid, boring, you name it. And if you do too, then you just don't get it yet. It'll take time. It's just a bunch of metaphors and symbols! It's there so you can take what you can get out of it and apply it to YOU. God and Satan? No there isn't an invisible guy who's watching you. No there isn't a place you go and burn when you've been a "bad boy". That's fucking stupid!!! Satan is anything around you that can damage you (drugs, people). Hell is a state of mind on earth that you are in when you let that shit destroy you (addiction, abuse).

In the Catholic church, Satan is a person. Perhaps not a human person in a human body, but a person all the same.

You can indeed take Christianity as just a collection of parables and metaphors, but you might be taking the Christianity out of it. There is wisdom in the gospels, but taking only this wisdom out of them for their usefulness while denying the existence of Christ and his mission on earth dechristianizes them and makes them just another collection of wisdom.