My theory on dinosaurs According to the bible: Before the great flood the earth was encapsuled by a giant layer of Ice. This allowed everything, including humans to live very long lives, about 10 times what life would live today. Noah lived to be around 1,000 years old. Anywase, before the flood liazards lived 10x as long, therefore they had a longer time to grow.Thus becoming dinosaurs. After the flood the lizards were not able to survive as long, therefore couldnt grow as big.

I'd recommend you take a basic elementary school science class.

Wow I didn't know being encapsulated in ice would make you live 10x longer.

*Goes and jumps into a frozen lake*

Weee, look at me, I'm just like mother fucking Adam, bitches.

I don't know the direct corelation, if any, but according to the bible, which i believe to be true, before the flood people lived longer, after the flood people didn't, this is not only biblically true, but historically true as well.

Dinosaurs aren't lizards, man. They're more closely related to birds.

quote:Originally posted by anton_skater:

I don't know the direct corelation, if any, but according to the bible, which i believe to be true, before the flood people lived longer, after the flood people didn't, this is not only biblically true, but historically true as well.

Are you kidding me? Look at life expectancies 100 years ago. 500 years ago. People live longer now than they ever have before. There is absolutely no historical evidence to suggest that that is correct. Stop trying to argue this. You're an insult to real Creationists.

quote:Originally posted by Paradise Lost:

Dinosaurs aren't lizards, man. They're more closely related to birds.



What are lizards closely related to?

lizards are closely related to other lizards. the majority of lizards have only downsized of anything.

edit:not to be mean,but go read some middle school science books and you could keep the basis of this theory and make it valid. you have the internet,utilize it. do it now,i would really like to see what you make of it.

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You've just won my daily What the Fuck Were You Thinking Award.

-Val

Well, I am a creationist, and i Do believe people lived longer before the flood. You may not believe this, but biblicaly this true. I believe the bible, you may not, thats your choice. Im not neccesarily saying that dinosaurs were just overgrown lizards, but i believe that they were an extremly old species, that lived longer than usual. Yes, modern technology allows us to live longer that we did 500 years ago, but that was still after the flood, Im talking about thousands of years ago when people liver for close to one thousand years.

Tom Cruise believes X-rays suck minerals out of people. Just because someone believes it doesn't mean it's true.

Ok, the bible says that before an imaginary flood, people lived almost 1000 years. It also says snakes talk, giants walked the earth, magical fruit grew on trees, a flaming sword protected eden and that's just for starters.

If all the stuff in the bible was in anything else, it would be considered mythology, like the greek religion, but since it's "the bible" people believe it.

No, there is absolutly no evidence that people ever lived for 1000 years except in mythology.

Doesn't the water canopy theory make just a bit more sence?

quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

imaginary flood

There's actually some compelling evidence for a universal food.

quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

giants walked the earth

It's called genetics, and it's entirely possible. EDIT: Giant in the bible = seven to nine feet tall. Go to Kenya.

quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

magical fruit grew on trees

I don't think it really had anything to do with the fruit.

quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

and that's just for starters

Damn, owned.

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quote:Originally posted by anton_skater:

Well, I am a creationist, and i Do believe people lived longer before the flood. You may not believe this, but biblicaly this true. I believe the bible, you may not, thats your choice. Im not neccesarily saying that dinosaurs were just overgrown lizards, but i believe that they were an extremly old species, that lived longer than usual. Yes, modern technology allows us to live longer that we did 500 years ago, but that was still after the flood, Im talking about thousands of years ago when people liver for close to one thousand years.

Do you even think about what you type?

quote:Originally posted by Beta69:

Wow I didn't know being encapsulated in ice would make you live 10x longer.

*Goes and jumps into a frozen lake*

Weee, look at me, I'm just like mother fucking Adam, bitches.

ROTFLMAO !!!!

quote:Originally posted by anton_skater:

I don't know the direct corelation, if any, but according to the bible, which i believe to be true, before the flood people lived longer, after the flood people didn't, this is not only biblically true, but historically true as well.

Sin has taken it's toll on our lives since Adam.

Slowly, over time, our bodies have begun to deteriorate (not improve, like evolutionist's would have you think), and that is why we do not live as long as Adam did.

quote:Originally posted by Valmont:

You've just won my daily What the Fuck Were You Thinking Award.

-Val

After knowing Xtreem for quite some time now, I would venture to say his question was facetious, if not rhetorical in nature.

Gulielmus

French canon jurist and theologian. Educated at the Univ. of Bologna, he served several 13th-century popes in various capacities including those of governor of the papal territories of Romagna and the March of Ancona. In 1286 he became Bishop of Mende. Durandus’ Speculum judiciale [mirror of law] (1271, rev. in 1286 and 1291) is an outline of canon, criminal, and civil law that was long studied. His Rationale divinorum officiorum [rationale of the divine office] (c.1286) is an exhaustive treatment, many times reprinted, of the nature and symbolism of the Roman Catholic liturgy. Parts have been translated as The Symbolism of Churches and Church Ornaments (1843) and The Sacred Vestments (1899). His name appears also as Durand, Durantus, Duranti, and Durantis.

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Why did you pick this name ?

It's the latin equalvalent of my real name.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

After knowing Xtreem for quite some time now, I would venture to say his question was facetious, if not rhetorical in nature.

lol, i guess you got me pegged. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

anyway, anton_skater's theory about the dinos is interesting. I do seem to remember something about some reptiles continual growth throughout their lifetime (one reason they have to shed skin)

Another thing i find interesting.. why do we see so many fossils about human evolution, but nearly nothing about the evolution of apes. My theory on that is, people want the noteriety to have found the oldest human ancestor.

(this is, i think, a paralell concept to dinos being birds-- which was the intent of my 'lizard' comment)

in the old testement, a year was about a month and half (or similar) you fucking moron. he didn't literally live for 1000 years. the dinosours came thousands of millions of years before humans btw.

A-S, grow up and look at the facts. i know you don't want to hear it but the old testement is a load of bollocks (as is the new testement)-it's a bunch of PARABLES-they're representative of a more complex story. they were never meant to be taken literally. it's dumbasses like you who fuck up the whole system. dumb asshole

Why not just ignore science, like you have, and just pretend the dinosaurs didn't exist. I am any coherent argument wouldn't mean anything so I won't waste any time, you will just get a generic I'm right you're wrong responce you bible bashers like to give me in extended conversations.

quote:Originally posted by Gulielmus:

Doesn't the water canopy theory make just a bit more sence?

Damn, owned.

Nope, it makes absolutely no sense. Unless you can provide some evidence that it does.



quote:There's actually some compelling evidence for a universal food.

No there isn't.

quote:It's called genetics, and it's entirely possible. EDIT: Giant in the bible = seven to nine feet tall. Go to Kenya.

No, it's called genetic disorder and it is often very destructive on the person. Sure they might have been talking about basketball player height, of course they were also supposably whipped from the earth (just another one of God's failures.)

quote:I don't think it really had anything to do with the fruit.

Yet there was magical fruit. Oh and you skipped the talking snake and flaming sword.

As I said, that's just for starters.



quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Slowly, over time, our bodies have begun to deteriorate (not improve, like evolutionist's would have you think), and that is why we do not live as long as Adam did.

Evidence for this?

For Beta69

1. If you knew what I was talking about then yes, yes it does make more sence that blocking out harmful radiations will help you live longer than being encased in ice. I'm not advocating the theory, it's just better than his.

2. Yes there is (this kind of logic is fun!).

3. Being tall isn't a genetic disorder. That's like saying that people who have red hair have a genetic disorder. There's nothing wrong with being the size of Shaq. I have know idea what this whipped from the earth buisiness is all about. You're going to have to explain that a bit better.

4. It was the act of disobediance, dumbass. It didn't have shit to do with the fruit. Yep, I sure did, and that's not a very good start. Make a better one.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Sin has taken it's toll on our lives since Adam.

Slowly, over time, our bodies have begun to deteriorate (not improve, like evolutionist's would have you think), and that is why we do not live as long as Adam did.

Your proof for this is?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Sin has taken it's toll on our lives since Adam.

Slowly, over time, our bodies have begun to deteriorate (not improve, like evolutionist's would have you think), and that is why we do not live as long as Adam did.

LOL. SO my whacking it is going to make my life shorter. http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif) Even hunter-gatherers today don't live that long.

I am assuming that Beta believes the world is millions of years old. However if you believe this because the C-14 method dates dinosaur bones to be millions of years old, then you may be wrong, because the C-14 method is flawed. I dont know why you dont believe the bible, it makes the most sense. Think about it, the theory of evolution is constantly changing because scientists who believe in it are constantly being proved wrong. THe bible has never changed. It is the only thing that remains constant.

quote:Originally posted by anton_skater:

THe bible has never changed. It is the only thing that remains constant.

Prove it.

Take Bibles from every generation they've existed in all the languages it's ever been written in and show me there aren't differences, if not just minute ones.

Hell there are differences between VERSIONS of the Bible.

-Val

Today there are differnt Versions of othe Bible, but every verse has the exact same meaning in each of the versions

Here we go!: I am a Christian.whats wrong with my god inventing evolution? Dinasaurs did not become extinct,we just call them birds.I look at a red tailed hawk and say to myself quite honestly."I'm glad that muther ain't lookin for me!

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quote:Originally posted by anton_skater:

I am assuming that Beta believes the world is millions of years old. However if you believe this because the C-14 method dates dinosaur bones to be millions of years old, then you may be wrong, because the C-14 method is flawed. I dont know why you dont believe the bible, it makes the most sense. Think about it, the theory of evolution is constantly changing because scientists who believe in it are constantly being proved wrong. THe bible has never changed. It is the only thing that remains constant.

I can't help but shudder when people like you use words like "think" and "sense". You are so MIND-NUMBINGLY STUPID it hurts.

No, I don't believe the world is millions of years old. It's billions. Based on multiple lines of scientific evidence.

No, the C-14 dating method is Not flawed if used correctly. Unfortunately some people purposely use it incorrectly and then claim it's flawed (such as dating animals that are known for the reservoir effect (absorbing old carbon) and conveniently forgetting to tell anyone about the reservoir effect.)

Since you said C-14 dates dinosaur bones, I will take a guess You don't know anything about it. You might want to learn stuff first, it helps to know what you are talking about.

C-14 is only useful out to 100,000 years at the most.

The only people who try and date dinosaur bones with C-14 are creationists, hoping people will ignore the effects of contamination so they can claim the bones are really younger than real scientists say.

The entire theory of evolution is not constantly changing, only the details. As these details change it becomes more accurate. That's what science does, it adapts it's theories to fit all the evidence. Unlike creationism which adapts the evidence to fit it's theory.

The bible may not have changed recently but it's interpretation has, which is why there are so many factions of christianity.

I'm being nice to you, maybe you can go learn something and be nice to your brain.





quote:Originally posted by anton_skater:

I am assuming that Beta believes the world is millions of years old. However if you believe this because the C-14 method dates dinosaur bones to be millions of years old, then you may be wrong, because the C-14 method is flawed. I dont know why you dont believe the bible, it makes the most sense. Think about it, the theory of evolution is constantly changing because scientists who believe in it are constantly being proved wrong. THe bible has never changed. It is the only thing that remains constant.

quote:Originally posted by anton_skater:

Today there are differnt Versions of othe Bible, but every verse has the exact same meaning in each of the versions

I'll proceed to list different versions of a few verses of the bible. I will pose no judgement on them and give no opinion. It is up to you to tell everyone here there 'exact same meaning'

Verse couple One: Jesus and God

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Verse couple two: Jesus's last words

Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

Verse couple three:

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Remember anton_skater it is up to you.

Figures used in the bible are exaggerated, or stretched, to get the point across. Life was much simpler back then and figures such as 'million' and 'billion' didn't exist or weren't used often, therefore many numbers on the lower spectrum were increased tenfold or more. Many times today when people want to exagerrate a large number, such as one thousand, you may say "Oh my god there were millions!" Same for back then, the scale was just a lot smaller. Unlikely Noah truly lived to be 100, let alone 1,000.

Also as previously stated by someone else above, most stories of the Pentateuch are parables, and didn't actually take place. I went to a catholic school for 12 years, and that's actually what you're taught, or at least I was, and I tend to believe it.

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quote:Originally posted by Gulielmus:

There's actually some compelling evidence for a universal food.

No there isn't, but there's a good amount of evidence that suggests that there was a localized flood throughout the middle east at the time. Which also explains how a boat 300x50x30 cubit boat can hold all the known animals.